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Post by Kameo on Nov 12, 2017 19:42:57 GMT -7
I took my bike into a local Yamaha dealership and had the chain nipped up, this was a couple of months ago. They tension-ed it as per the user manual... Around 3cm of slack. Then last week I took the bike in for its first 10,000 km service to a different dealership and as part of the service and in an attempt to quiet the untidy noise the bikes been making while riding they changed the oil from 10w40 to 15w50. The bike is unfortunately even more noticeably noisy...ticking, rattling, etc since the service. I checked the chain slack and it's now 5cm+...? User manual... ![]()  I'm definitely no guru but if the manual wants a range between 2-3cm wouldn't it suggest that anything more or less could result in undesired tension - with regards to the tensioner..? Hence the reason for this additional noise I'm hearing. Thoughts? |
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Post by RedAndBlack on Nov 12, 2017 20:19:28 GMT -7
I would definitely do it to spec. And with the chains natural tendency to stretch, it's only going to get worse.
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Post by evitzee on Nov 12, 2017 23:13:50 GMT -7
I set it to spec, and I don't have to adjust it too often. Better to have too much slack than too tight. It is easier to adjust on a paddock stand.
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Post by Kameo on Nov 13, 2017 2:08:16 GMT -7
Might be better to have slack but based on the spec..3cm would be max slack....so 5cm would be considered sloppy.
I think my old mt-07 had a slacky chain tension @ spec, from memory 5cm. On the ten this seems way too much.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 5:51:02 GMT -7
This bike isn't all that smooth at low speeds. If your chain has some slack in it and you're puttering around the jerky motor will cause the chain to tighten/loosen, and the transmission to load/unload rapidly making a rattling noise and rough ride. This is normal. A quick check is to see if you can easily move the chain up and slap the bottom of the swingarm with it. That is too lose.
If you're running around at a normal speed and its rattling something isn't right.
Another check is to check the tension at a few points on the chain. Chains that have tight spots and loose spots can make a lot of noise. I'd be surprised if this is your issue since its a new bike and new chain, but worth looking into anyway.
New chains usually require two adjustments within the first 1000mi. They tend to stabilize after that until they get towards the end of life when they require more frequent adjustment.
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Post by fastback89 on Nov 14, 2017 17:15:08 GMT -7
I agree, mine needed to be adjusted several times before it finally settled in and stopped stretching. It definitely shifts better with the slack closer to 20mm.
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Post by Kameo on Nov 14, 2017 21:13:56 GMT -7
This bike isn't all that smooth at low speeds. If your chain has some slack in it and you're puttering around the jerky motor will cause the chain to tighten/loosen, and the transmission to load/unload rapidly making a rattling noise and rough ride. This is normal. A quick check is to see if you can easily move the chain up and slap the bottom of the swingarm with it. That is too lose. If you're running around at a normal speed and its rattling something isn't right. Another check is to check the tension at a few points on the chain. Chains that have tight spots and loose spots can make a lot of noise. I'd be surprised if this is your issue since its a new bike and new chain, but worth looking into anyway. New chains usually require two adjustments within the first 1000mi. They tend to stabilize after that until they get towards the end of life when they require more frequent adjustment. Thanks for the informative post...gets close but not enough to slap the swingarm. I'm getting a rattle/clatter at varying times but most annoying is when revving above 5000 rpm's and backing off the throttle - it starts to reverberate and rattle, once this begins it ends up being a noisy ride. Where as if I ride economically from the get go (around town) it doesn't seem to surface. There's also a seperate and distinct clatter that I get, can last hundreds of km's and then dissapears for as many. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 6:04:29 GMT -7
Kameo, very interesting... Can you post a video of what you're experiencing? If the bike is still under warranty I'd take it in and have them deal with it as many times as necessary.
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Post by stoltecmoto on Nov 15, 2017 14:10:18 GMT -7
Agreed with all of smanz comments. You'll need to do some digging, but I can personally attest that this bike doesn't like much chain slack. I tend to run a looser chain on my bikes, but the -10 was a challenge. It was VERY noisy at anything over 30 mm of slack. I ended up keeping it around 25 mm (which causes the bike to fail tech inspection everytime).
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Post by papawheelie on Nov 15, 2017 15:44:26 GMT -7
I ended up keeping it around 25 mm (which causes the bike to fail tech inspection everytime). Stoltec moto: I’m curious...when you say "tech inspection", do you mean pre-track inspection, or something different? And, it fails the tech inspection because the inspector determines that 25 mm is too tight? cumquot: I've also been struggling to settle on the best chain tension during my first 1,000 miles on the FZ-10. When adjusted according to the owner's manual, it "feels" pretty dang tight, especially if I understand the diagram correctly, that it should measure 20 - 30mm from the TOP of the chain when pushed up, to the BOTTOM of the chain when pushed down (versus the middle of the chain in each position). However, when I loosen it up a bit, to a tension that feels right to me, it is embarrassingly noisy. It is most noticeable when I don’t have much load on the chain (cruising at a steady speed) and I have a barrier of some sort (concrete barrier, car, etc) on my immediate left, causing the chain noise to reflect back to me. It makes me feel better knowing that it’s not just me. Haha. Thank you. |
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Post by stoltecmoto on Nov 15, 2017 16:28:04 GMT -7
I ended up keeping it around 25 mm (which causes the bike to fail tech inspection everytime). I’m curious...when you say "tech inspection", do you mean pre-track inspection, or something different? And, it fails the tech inspection because the inspector determines that 25 mm is too tight? Thank you. Yes...tech at the track. And yes, too tight for their tastes! |
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Post by Kameo on Nov 15, 2017 18:04:04 GMT -7
Kameo , very interesting... Can you post a video of what you're experiencing? If the bike is still under warranty I'd take it in and have them deal with it as many times as necessary. This is the best I can do with the limited tech I have to record the noise(s)... Also, keep in mind I don't ride like this, as in the video, just trying to reproduce the noise in the recording. It's very hard to capture the sound while riding. Let me know what you guys think about it....keep in mind also that there are times where once the bikes warmed up the bike sounds like a dream, noise free. |
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Post by stoltecmoto on Nov 16, 2017 6:42:21 GMT -7
I didn't have time to watch the whole video, but it doesn't sound like drive chain noise. Based solely on that video, I'd suspect cam chain tensioner.
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Post by Kameo on Nov 16, 2017 22:24:04 GMT -7
I didn't have time to watch the whole video, but it doesn't sound like drive chain noise. Based solely on that video, I'd suspect cam chain tensioner. After the 10,000k service was performed, just over a week ago, I emailed the guys in the service centre and told them... 15W50's made no difference and the extra chain slacks possibly making things worse. It appears noisier than before. Can we please replace the cam tension to see if this is the cause of the problem? They replied...but I need to drop it off to them next week for a pre-organized yamaha specialist to take a look at it. Not sure why they have to consult the official yamaha tech for the region b4 even trying anything. Talk about working with ya hands tied behind your back. That, or they have so many issues like this and no solution....makes no sense to me. Something tells me.....from others having gone thru this with yamaha that they'l just say its in spec and everythings fine. |
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Post by fastback89 on Nov 17, 2017 14:51:12 GMT -7
That tapping noise would have me concerned to say the least. I would have to try one of the after market cam chain tensioners that I've heard about
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Post by Kameo on Nov 17, 2017 16:26:50 GMT -7
It definitely has been a head f...k since I got it.
Not keen on a manual tensioner.
I'm hoping Yamaha can just replace the auto tensioner with another and that it solves it once and for all. I have ridden other MT-10's that are fine, so it's definitely something that doesn't need to exist.
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Post by av8er on Nov 18, 2017 5:27:05 GMT -7
Kameo , very interesting... Can you post a video of what you're experiencing? If the bike is still under warranty I'd take it in and have them deal with it as many times as necessary. This is the best I can do with the limited tech I have to record the noise(s)... Also, keep in mind I don't ride like this, as in the video, just trying to reproduce the noise in the recording. It's very hard to capture the sound while riding. Let me know what you guys think about it....keep in mind also that there are times where once the bikes warmed up the bike sounds like a dream, noise free. It definitely has been a head f...k since I got it. Not keen on a manual tensioner. I'm hoping Yamaha can just replace the auto tensioner with another and that it solves it once and for all. I have ridden other MT-10's that are fine, so it's definitely something that doesn't need to exist. I had that same issue noise from my 09 R1, the first crossplane, and dealer did replace the auto tensioner. This ended up being a recall for these bikes. Once changed, I never had the problem again with over 10k miles when sold. This problem must have reared its ugly head again. I have a 15 R1 and one of the first FZ10's released last year and have never heard it on either bike. Might be good for the rep to hear it on yours. That's what it took for my 09 and they told the dealer to order and replace. Their aware its not a perfect system. |
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Post by Kameo on Nov 19, 2017 0:19:09 GMT -7
Well it's going in on Tuesday so il report back after that....but in the meantime I'm interested in getting as many opinions on the video recording as possible.
The more info I have going in the better. Thanks for all your input so far.
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Post by jjsc6 on Nov 19, 2017 13:42:37 GMT -7
I ended up keeping it around 25 mm (which causes the bike to fail tech inspection everytime). Stoltec moto: I’m curious...when you say "tech inspection", do you mean pre-track inspection, or something different? And, it fails the tech inspection because the inspector determines that 25 mm is too tight? cumquot: I've also been struggling to settle on the best chain tension during my first 1,000 miles on the FZ-10. When adjusted according to the owner's manual, it "feels" pretty dang tight, especially if I understand the diagram correctly, that it should measure 20 - 30mm from the TOP of the chain when pushed up, to the BOTTOM of the chain when pushed down (versus the middle of the chain in each position). However, when I loosen it up a bit, to a tension that feels right to me, it is embarrassingly noisy. It is most noticeable when I don’t have much load on the chain (cruising at a steady speed) and I have a barrier of some sort (concrete barrier, car, etc) on my immediate left, causing the chain noise to reflect back to me. It makes me feel better knowing that it’s not just me. Haha. Thank you. Im quite sure you are not reading that correctly. The slack is the movement distance up and down. Not from the top of the chain to the bottom of the chain. Pick a point on the chain and measure how far that point moves total |
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Post by stonesie on Nov 19, 2017 15:12:17 GMT -7
As above, and don't use much force on it either. I set mine to 25mm on the abba stand which completely unloads the rear suspension, on a normal paddock stand it measures about 22mm at that. Extract from the workshop manual, there was a link on the UK MT-10 forum but that has sadly gone now... Edit, still new here so I had missed this, if anyone wants the links fz10.org/thread/337/fz-10-service-manual-pdf |
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