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Post by slv on Dec 10, 2016 19:08:30 GMT -7
So, I used the two year old Icon Alliance Dark for five hours on Wednesday, and the Arai Signet-Q for six hours on Thursday. Both did OK, but neither performs as well as I'd like. They're both a bit heavy, the icon doesn't vent too well, and the Arai lifts at speed. I've been eyeballing the newest Bell Star line, reading the reviews and even trying them on. $450 for solid and $500 for a graphic version just wasn't in the cards. Then I ran across a 2015 Star Carbon for $250. From the reviews and the Bell media, the Star Carbon was the race helmet that the 2016 Star is based on. The Carbon got good review all around, so I committed. A $200 savings seemed like a good thing. By the way, they have a couple nice RS-1 models on close out for $110. upload
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wot75
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Post by wot75 on Dec 10, 2016 19:36:47 GMT -7
I sell helmets for a living (509, Shoei, and HJC) and consider myself pretty highly educated on all things helmets. The list of articles a member posted above is good reading from a bygone era of Snell testing methodology that has lead them to change how they approach safety. That was a good thing. In general Snell helmets are heavier because they have a thicker shell while ECE helmets are lighter because they have a thinner shell. ECE's philosophy is shell construction that gets impact energy to the part of the helmet (EPS liner) designed to dissipate that energy as soon as possible. Snell philosophy was always geared around protecting your head from multiple impacts in the same spot as well as high degrees of puncture resistance. This resulted in thick (heavy) shells that were often quite rigid. The Snell 2015 standard is more in line with DOT/ECE so you'll find a lot of Snell approved helmets that are lighter than 5 years ago but still not as light DOT/ECE lids. You'll also find that Snell helmets tend to hold up better (cosmetically) in get-offs. This is deceiving however because, as we all know, once you bonk your head your helmet is (or should be) done as it can no longer protect you in that spot. Shoei actually offers a free helmet inspection service if you're concerned.
An example of how light ECE helmets can be is the new HJC RPHA Pro 11. It's only 3.2lbs! The ECE only model is even lighter because the US DOT required the shell to be a little thicker. If you're in the market for a $450 track lid the RPHA 11 Pro can't be beat.
The single biggest advantage of Snell is that they secret shop the products they certify. They will actually go and buy helmets off the shelf and retest them to ensure the mfg is building to their standard. ECE nor DOT do this and only require the MFG to send them helmets to test post-production. Zero independent verification. The risk of liability seems to keep the helmet mfg's pretty honest however..
Shoei hand-makes in Japan every helmet they manufacture. It takes nearly 7 days to build a Shoei. The only part of a Shoei that requires help from a robot are areas where laser cuts have to me made for vents and etc. Even the decals are laid by hand (the same way decals are applied to model airplanes and etc) which is why there is such a large upcharge on Shoei's with graphics. Shoei also has their own wind tunnel and thoroughly tests every model to minimize lift, buffeting, and drag. I don't want to sound like an infomercial here but this is why your Shoei will feel lighter on your head at speed (where it matters) than it does at a stand still or in hand. They also build their helmet internals to cater to whatever region of the world they are being sold in. North America typically has intermediate oval head shapes and Shoei designs around that fact... go try one on and see for yourself, nothing fits like a Shoei!!
Photochromatic shields are an interesting topic. There's pretty much 1 MFG for all of these shields and Shoei rejects 90% of the ones they receive for failing to be 100% optically correct, not changing quickly enough, or any microscopic imperfections. Companies like Bell just accept them all and send them out the door and that's why they are much cheaper and readily available. When you get a PC shield from Shoei (they are always on backorder) it's not going to have any compromises in performance due to mfg variances.
HJC makes great lids for the money imo. I'll put their fit and finish up against any comparably priced Bell or LS2 helmet any day of the week. They have tried to emulate the Shoei fit and finish in just about every compatible model, RPHA to RF1200 and X-Fourteen, ISMAX2 to Neotech, IS-17 or RPHA ST to GT-Air, FG-17 to the Qwest and now the new RF-SR, and the RPHA-X to the VFX-W and have come pretty close. The HJC FG-17 btw is the Industry's most under-rated helmet IMO.. you just don't find many $200 Snell approved helmets with Fiberglass construction not to mention the CL-17 which is a $150 Snell approved polycarbonate helmet (and HJC's #1 selling motorcycle helmet)..
A couple of words on MIPS and/or 6D technology. Pure Gimmick & Marketing BS. Neither Shoei, HJC, or any other brand still considering the merits of this approach have been able to produce or reproduce any of the claims made by MIPS concerning them being any safer than traditional multi-density interlocking EPS foam. All helmets inherently slip a little during impacts at any speed.. it's as if they invented a solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist just to give sales guys something to talk about with customers. They aren't very comfortable either imo...
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Post by wot75 on Dec 10, 2016 19:50:33 GMT -7
2005 is a bit past the 5 year expiration. They really do get brittle over time. This is a common understanding, but not what most people think it is. Fiber reinforced plastics (FRP or "composite") is extremely strong and has a very long life. I work on composite aircraft parts that were built in the 70's and 80's. This material holds up very well. These are the same composites used in higher end helmets. The dangerous conditions for these materials is UV radiation (protected by paint), excessive heat, and drops that might cause micro cracks in the resin. The helmet components that become brittle and less effective are the styrofoam-type inner shock shell. The trick to protecting these areas is to always store helmets in climate controlled areas with no extremes in humidity. Being that I rotate several helmets, I often have 5-year-old helmets that look new. You'll probably get longer than 5 years life from your EPS liner but unless you have it tested you'll never know.. Your helmet can look brand new after 5 years but that doesn't mean the EPS is still viable. More expensive helmets (Shoei/Arai for ex) use the highest quality EPS money can buy .... I would, for instance, trust a brand like Shoei after 5 years of controlled temp storage vs the same in an HJC and I sell both brands. 5 years is a good rule of thumb for all helmets imo.
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Post by slv on Dec 11, 2016 7:50:09 GMT -7
Here's an interesting study that says EPS liners last much longer than recommendations. www.helmets.org/helmetlineraging.htm Personally, I subscribe to taking care of a helmet and getting a long life from them. But I also like to stay relatively modern with technology and even fashion to some extent.
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Post by darkknight on Dec 11, 2016 10:05:08 GMT -7
Awesome info ^^^^^^^^^^ I was worried on my Arai 6 years old and looks brand spanking new.
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Post by slv on Dec 11, 2016 10:23:09 GMT -7
Awesome info ^^^^^^^^^^ I was worried on my Arai 6 years old and looks brand spanking new. Wot75 makes many good points based on industry experience. The study I posted is real and supports my engineering experience, but like anything else, longevity assumes certain levels of care. Wot75's testing recommendation sounds like a great idea.
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Post by kup0236 on Dec 11, 2016 11:07:49 GMT -7
Just bought a Bilt modular with Bluetooth. I have a white one that's a couple years old and this one is black to match the bike. Actually very comfortable and works well. I've always used Arias but I can buy a new one of these every couple years for the price of an Aria.
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Post by arcaos84 on Dec 14, 2016 15:09:20 GMT -7
Just got one of these guys as a Christmas present: ICON: The Watch Keeper
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Post by slv on Dec 14, 2016 15:27:51 GMT -7
That Icon Alliance is a good helmet. I have to Alliance Dark. It's a couple years old and doesn't have the inner shield, but it's a good basic helmet. It vents reasonably well, and fits my intermediate oval head just right. The liner is nice too. If I had to complain, it's a bit noiser than my other helmets. I generally use it for local riding.
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Post by jay9553 on Feb 11, 2017 0:45:59 GMT -7
I think I have a problem It's never enough!
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Post by operationfz on Feb 11, 2017 8:27:07 GMT -7
I've owned 2 Shoei RF-1200's and I'll never wear anything else.
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Post by sam07 on Feb 18, 2017 7:58:21 GMT -7
Simpson M30 gloss black with Dark tint. It's really dark for the Floridas bright sunny days. After eye surgery, I'm a little sensitive. It's very comfy, the total field of view is great and it's really compact.
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Post by sumgi on Mar 5, 2017 16:45:18 GMT -7
I use the Shoei RF-1200 in matte black. I love the helmet, but I have nothing to compare it to yet since it's my first full helmet. I kind of like the modular helmets with the flip down shades so maybe my next helmet will be one of those. Maybe I'll get one like that for my wife.
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Post by Cruizin on Mar 5, 2017 21:40:56 GMT -7
Guys, could you please post links so others can buy it too?
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Post by slv on Mar 6, 2017 6:12:08 GMT -7
I had a minor mishap that I'll post about when I get a chance. In short, a truck driver crashed through a railroad crossing and mangled the cross arm. The mangled mess left a 1/4" cable dangling in the street. It hit the front of my bike and skipped upward and into my face shield and helmet. My new Bell Star Carbon got all marred. It was the previous version of the Bell Star. The railroad cop had a bideo of the truck crashing the barrier. There's a report and his insurance is covering it. So, I bought a new 2017 Bell Star "Pace" helmet in this graphic. www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/bell-star-pace-helmetI should have bought this newer version from the start. It's much quieter and more comfortable.
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Post by alphamarine on Mar 11, 2017 10:00:46 GMT -7
I just bought my RPHA 11 Pro Venom helmet. I would post a pic but I dont know how. I am a new member.... I have questions about the RPHA 11....
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Post by slv on Mar 11, 2017 10:51:04 GMT -7
I just bought my RPHA 11 Pro Venom helmet. I would post a pic but I dont know how. I am a new member.... I have questions about the RPHA 11....
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Post by Cruizin on Mar 11, 2017 10:58:40 GMT -7
I just bought my RPHA 11 Pro Venom helmet. I would post a pic but I dont know how. I am a new member.... I have questions about the RPHA 11.... If you are on a computer, click "add image to post" and then upload. It's easy. But we prefer you just post a link to where it can be bought, read reviews, etc etc. retail links.
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Post by harrybalzak on Mar 15, 2017 11:30:30 GMT -7
Just ordered this today, Shoei RF1200 Valkyrie (Blue) with the transitions shield. link
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Post by coyote on Jul 30, 2017 12:49:40 GMT -7
Also a Bell RS-1 with transition shield,in silver. I changed my helmet,gone are the Bell RS1 and Vortex. I was using the Bell because i really liked the transition shield, but i had problems with sizing and shape... XL RS1 was too big and the L was too small, XL Vortex was alright but damn that thing is noisy. So i will keep the XL RS1 for cold weather riding,its good with a thick insulated balaklava, and the Vortex as a backup helmet. i guess i'll try to sell the L RS1. So,for the new bucket... i got an AGV K5s plain white, i was amazed when i took it out of its box... feels much lighter than the Bell units,the built quality and finish is far superior also. Most importantly the fit is also perfect for my head,i will miss the Bell transitions shield,but the AGV has an internal sun visor, so it's an ok alternative. Plus i think it looks way bethan the Bell's.
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