2wheeledprivilege
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Post by 2wheeledprivilege on Feb 3, 2024 22:18:44 GMT -7
www.harborfreight.com/nylon-pry-bar-installer-kit-4-piece-63594.htmlThe best tool(s) I have found for reinstalling factory turn indicators. I work at a dealership and when Yamahas come in on the delivery truck, there's always atleast one (usually more) with a loose indicator, not to mention all the service bikes. The nylon, unlike a screwdriver, won't cut the rubber grommet that holds the indicator. Start with the large end then use pry tool with the rounded end (3rd from the left in pic) to work the smaller end in. I have done this dozens of times, works like a champ everytime.
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Post by willl84 on Feb 5, 2024 6:36:45 GMT -7
No surprise, service department didn't get my voicemail so I called again today. They said that the behavior I'm having is probably normal due to OEM fuel mappings running lean... They said I can get an aftermarket device to assist with this.. (sounds like a power commander or something?). I insisted that I have 9k miles on the bike now and know how the bike runs when cold. But now I'm really second guessing myself. I can't tell if it's normal, or I'm just being crazy/paranoid. It doesn't make sense... How would them replacing the TPS and handlebar switch/acceleration sensor cause this behavior only when the bike is cold and running? When I rev the bike in neutral it feels completely normal. The moment I start moving and give it a very small amount of gas, I feel like there is a dead zone where nothing happens... But then when it's warm, I swear there's no dead zone. Is there any reasonable explanation that could explain this craziness? I tried to take a video, but I think it sucks. Yea that doesn't look right at all. That throttle seems really sluggish honestly. My 19 stalls when it's cold but that's because the clutch is SO DAMN GRABBY when it's cold. I've never stalled a bike as much as this one. And after over 13k it hasn't gotten any better lol. Also don't waste $ on a power commander or anything. Send the ECDU to 2WDW and get it flashed, even if your bike is all stock. The difference is amazing.
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Post by kyle on Feb 5, 2024 18:06:28 GMT -7
www.harborfreight.com/nylon-pry-bar-installer-kit-4-piece-63594.htmlThe best tool(s) I have found for reinstalling factory turn indicators. I work at a dealership and when Yamahas come in on the delivery truck, there's always atleast one (usually more) with a loose indicator, not to mention all the service bikes. The nylon, unlike a screwdriver, won't cut the rubber grommet that holds the indicator. Start with the large end then use pry tool with the rounded end (3rd from the left in pic) to work the smaller end in. I have done this dozens of times, works like a champ everytime. I just tried this out today! I still ended up using soapy water and some heat, but using a similar tool really helped! Thanks so much for the advice! (My life is so boring that I literally pushed the blinker out of the socket to give it a try)
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Post by kyle on Feb 5, 2024 18:29:56 GMT -7
Yea that doesn't look right at all. That throttle seems really sluggish honestly. My 19 stalls when it's cold but that's because the clutch is SO DAMN GRABBY when it's cold. I've never stalled a bike as much as this one. And after over 13k it hasn't gotten any better lol. Also don't waste $ on a power commander or anything. Send the ECDU to 2WDW and get it flashed, even if your bike is all stock. The difference is amazing. Thanks for your input as always! I was letting the clutch/throttle out REALLY slow, so maybe that's why it seemed sluggish. I've also definitely stalled the bike before the throttle issue too! But I just definitely have a skill issue lol. Man flashing the bike... I'm just so scared! I know it makes throttle response more sensible and the HP gains are crazy... But... I don't want to void the warranty... Sounds lame, right? But my goal was to hit 10k miles a year... By the time warranty is out, I'll have 50k (let's see if I can hit that) My TPS/ACS were replaced, I'm already happy I got the extended warranty (factory would have expired and I would have been SoL!)... Parts alone together cost over $500. www.partzilla.com/product/yamaha/B3L-85885-01-00www.partzilla.com/product/yamaha/B5Y-8291R-00-00On yesterday and today I did a bit more testing and I can finally explain the issue much better... I'm going to the dealer tomorrow and will tell them to recalibrate whatever they did... This can't be right... I even made a video on how they can replicate the issue. This video is much clearer than the other one. Now that I have the issue narrowed down I can more distinctly say something is wrong. Wish me luck!
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Post by kyle on Feb 9, 2024 14:48:14 GMT -7
I forgot to say - On Feb 6th, I dropped the bike off at the dealer again.
Their tone was completely different in person than over the phone. On the phone they were a bit dismissive and making it sound like it's normal behavior. The moment I walked in they told me to bring my bike to the back so I could talk to the techs directly. I told them I had a video and were willing to watch it.
I didn't really sense much confidence that they knew what the issue was... but I think they knew something wasn't right. I spoke with the service manager and showed them the video.
They didn't make me pay for this visit.
I'm hoping they are able to fix it this time! I'm really dying to ride!
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Post by travis on Feb 17, 2024 11:55:46 GMT -7
My 19 stalls when it's cold but that's because the clutch is SO DAMN GRABBY when it's cold. I've never stalled a bike as much as this one. And after over 13k it hasn't gotten any better lol. Same on my 2018, and struck up a quick convo with a random dude riding a 2017 spotted at a grocery store after he was pulling away I noticed the clutch grab-lurch and we both agreed the bikes do that when they're cold. Maybe the clutch pack sticks together when cold. I dunno, it's annoying.
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Post by willl84 on Feb 20, 2024 6:05:05 GMT -7
My 19 stalls when it's cold but that's because the clutch is SO DAMN GRABBY when it's cold. I've never stalled a bike as much as this one. And after over 13k it hasn't gotten any better lol. Same on my 2018, and struck up a quick convo with a random dude riding a 2017 spotted at a grocery store after he was pulling away I noticed the clutch grab-lurch and we both agreed the bikes do that when they're cold. Maybe the clutch pack sticks together when cold. I dunno, it's annoying. It really is. I've never stalled a bike so much in my life lol
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Post by kyle on Mar 1, 2024 15:33:33 GMT -7
Called for an update today, March 1st, 2024... I haven't been contacted at all since I dropped off my bike, February 6th. They said they are currently waiting for an answer back on Yamaha (not sure when they first reached out... but seems like this is taking a while).
They said that they are thinking it's the spark plugs... They said if it's not, they would only charge me for parts.
I aid if the spark plugs need to be replaced, I will do it myself, I'm not paying whatever they want me to... But I told them that it's very unlikely the spark plugs since the issue started only after they worked on the bike, the issue can be reproduced 100% of the time by following the same steps, and the bike idles totally fine...
The guy said that they agree and aren't certain and that I should give them a call back on Tuesday... (March 5)...
At this point, I blame myself for not bringing it somewhere else, this is really ridiculous. It's tough because I need someone to pick me up and drop me off each time. I'm also hesitant to bring it somewhere else, because whatever they did to my bike won't be covered by warranty... Why the hell should I pay ~500 (made up number) to have some shop fix what the dealer couldn't under warranty... We're getting into the riding season and my bike threw this check engine light back in mid-September.
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Post by travis on Mar 2, 2024 10:37:53 GMT -7
Maybe time to get Yamaha corporate involved?
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Post by boilovepho on Mar 3, 2024 9:04:26 GMT -7
I remember having this exact same issue for my 2011 Yamaha r1 back in the day. The power would suddenly go out and the check engine light would come on while riding. I'd have to turn it off and back on while rolling to get the bike to pick up again. The stored engine codes would return to the throttle position sensor as well. I'm like "how the hell does this go wrong? Bike is all stock!" The dealership kept beating around the bush blaming it on a weak battery. I ended up selling the bike for cheap and moved on from yamaha and the "chip controlled throttle."
As we move forward with time, everything is just going to more electronics. More electronics, more problems. My other bike uses a throttle cable all the way through and i'm reminded of why we all got into motorcycling in the first place, the simplicity of the rush. With the little miles that I am riding these days, I hope to never see this issue nor the engine blowing on my 2018 lol. I hope it gets figured out for you bro.
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Post by kyle on Mar 3, 2024 19:58:43 GMT -7
Maybe time to get Yamaha corporate involved? True. I need to stop start doing some action instead of just complaining on the internet. The dealership said to call on Tuesday, if I don't like their answer, I'm going to call: Motorsports Customer Relations - (800) 962-7926 Which I found from this page: yamaha-motor.com/contactI hope that's the right place.
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Post by kyle on Mar 5, 2024 16:09:25 GMT -7
I called the dealership again today. They claimed they heard back from Yamaha Tech support, and they claimed Yamaha said to try the spark plugs......
So now, I guess I'm going to try and replace spark plugs on the bike... I'm pretty nervous as this is going to be the first time I do work to the bike... Like I've heard getting the air scoops off can be tricky and getting the coils out is a PITA.
I'm hoping to start the work on Saturday. If I'm lucky, Sunday I will have it done... probably after numerous trips to harbor freight.
EDIT: Forgot to mention - I did call Yamaha customer relations. They were cool, but I think they are relatively limited as to how they can help. They are able to call the dealership on my behalf, but really that's it. I told the rep that I would really like to bring the bike somewhere else to get a second opinion, but I would still have to deal with the diagnostic fee, and if it's not a manufacturer's defect, it wouldn't be considered warranty work. ... Maybe not the best option, but I'm deciding: 1 - Get the bike back and replace spark plugs 2 - If the issue persists call Yamaha corporate again to document the case. 3 - Hopefully see if it's viable for me to bring it somewhere else. ... - If it's not... Then back to the same dealer... I guess.
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Post by travis on Mar 5, 2024 20:44:30 GMT -7
Oh yeah, getting to the plugs is a chore. Go slow, take pictures. Plastics, tank, airbox, throttle bodies, AIS all have to come off before you're even close to the coils.
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Post by willl84 on Mar 6, 2024 5:01:31 GMT -7
Oh yeah, getting to the plugs is a chore. Go slow, take pictures. Plastics, tank, airbox, throttle bodies, AIS all have to come off before you're even close to the coils. Throttle bodies don't need to come off. Just the air box and AIS components. You also don't need to remove the whole side scoops. You can pop a few fasteners and they'll bend away to let the tank lift up. You can follow this video for AIS removal and then the second video for plug change
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Post by travis on Mar 6, 2024 7:36:26 GMT -7
My bad, thanks for clarifying
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Post by willl84 on Mar 7, 2024 4:56:18 GMT -7
I called the dealership again today. They claimed they heard back from Yamaha Tech support, and they claimed Yamaha said to try the spark plugs...... So now, I guess I'm going to try and replace spark plugs on the bike... I'm pretty nervous as this is going to be the first time I do work to the bike... Like I've heard getting the air scoops off can be tricky and getting the coils out is a PITA. I'm hoping to start the work on Saturday. If I'm lucky, Sunday I will have it done... probably after numerous trips to harbor freight. EDIT: Forgot to mention - I did call Yamaha customer relations. They were cool, but I think they are relatively limited as to how they can help. They are able to call the dealership on my behalf, but really that's it. I told the rep that I would really like to bring the bike somewhere else to get a second opinion, but I would still have to deal with the diagnostic fee, and if it's not a manufacturer's defect, it wouldn't be considered warranty work. ... Maybe not the best option, but I'm deciding: 1 - Get the bike back and replace spark plugs 2 - If the issue persists call Yamaha corporate again to document the case. 3 - Hopefully see if it's viable for me to bring it somewhere else. ... - If it's not... Then back to the same dealer... I guess. Just did mine last night. Wasn't terrible. The coil packs are on pretty good so be prepared. The center two are cake, the outer two plugs are tricky. You'll need 2 3" extensions, a 6" extension, 14mm deep socket and a universal. Also a magnet on a collapsible stick to get the plugs out.
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Post by kyle on Mar 7, 2024 19:47:41 GMT -7
Just did mine last night. Wasn't terrible. The coil packs are on pretty good so be prepared. The center two are cake, the outer two plugs are tricky. You'll need 2 3" extensions, a 6" extension, 14mm deep socket and a universal. Also a magnet on a collapsible stick to get the plugs out. Dude, this is so cool! Thanks so much for the information! What was your method of getting the coils out? I think it's so cool you got to the plugs without having to take off the air scoops! I was not looking forward to figuring out how to get the clips out!
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Post by willl84 on Mar 8, 2024 6:34:38 GMT -7
Just did mine last night. Wasn't terrible. The coil packs are on pretty good so be prepared. The center two are cake, the outer two plugs are tricky. You'll need 2 3" extensions, a 6" extension, 14mm deep socket and a universal. Also a magnet on a collapsible stick to get the plugs out. Dude, this is so cool! Thanks so much for the information! What was your method of getting the coils out? I think it's so cool you got to the plugs without having to take off the air scoops! I was not looking forward to figuring out how to get the clips out! I used a flat head screwdriver. I used the cam cover bolts as a fulcrum point and put the tip of the driver under the main body. Do not put it under the connector itself or it will break. It felt like I was going to break them then they suddenly popped up. No grease or anything with you put them back in as well. He's a pic with I was getting ready to pull the lower half of the airbox out. There are two little push clips on the top front sides of the "intakes" that you need to remove so they'll pull out if the way to lift the tank and get the air box out and back in
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Post by kyle on Mar 15, 2024 18:25:15 GMT -7
I picked my bike up on March 8th, 2024. At that point, my bike has been at the dealership for approximately ~125 days (non-consecutively). The dealer said no further diag will be done until the spark plugs are replaced.
You can laugh... it took me 10 hours to replace the spark plugs... and I broke the clip to an electrical connector, which was the worst part of the whole process. Everything went super slow and steady for the most part. Maybe I'll post more details when I'm feeling like it. The only thing I will say for now...... I could not for the life of me figure out how to get the tank up without taking the air scoops (mostly) off... I'm pretty sure it's not possible without that.
After the spark plugs were replaced, the same behavior occurred... Erratic throttle behavior when cold. Against better judgement... I brought it back to the same dealer to fix whatever they broke... The situation has been stressing me out so I've been extremely lazy with my decisions, which won't help anything.
I just got around to talking to Yamaha customer relations today again. Yamaha is calling the dealership on Tuesday (dealer is closed Sunday/Monday, and the rep I'm working with is off weekends)... We will see what happens.
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Post by willl84 on Mar 18, 2024 5:39:03 GMT -7
Well at least you ruled out the plugs being the culprit. Sorry to hear about the broken bits, hopefully nothing too major though.
It might be worth it to get ahold of a lemon law lawyer at this point. I know the rule is 3 times without it being fixed properly. Might still be beneficial to talk to them and see what they have to say.
It sounds to me like something with the throttle position sensor, but I'm just speculating
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