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Post by aavmann on Apr 23, 2019 11:40:23 GMT -7
Hey guys Been reading everything I can on this forum regarding exhausts. Lots of good stuff for sure. Let's say one wants more sound but simply is not ready to drop coin on aftermarket exhausts and or tunes..... YET.... I understand most of the sound reduction is from the catbox.... yet some are indeed getting a bit more volume from slip ons etc. One I believe mentioned an option of putting an automobile tip! Has anyone tried.... or is there even a way to carefully gut the stock can? I have careful ways to cut stuff open and clever patch work as well. I'm assuming the actual inside pipe needs to still be in place but what about finding ways to remove everything else? Would it do anything to make this a little louder you think? Please don't bash me for being cheap right now...π. just a question that "open" minds may be able to answer. (Geez... almost afraid to start this thread!.. lol)
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Post by fitzdrew516 on Apr 23, 2019 12:35:29 GMT -7
I understand your position. I had the same hopes as you before I bought my exhaust and flashed my ECU. I had no issues with stock power so flashing the ECU was merely to make the bike run well after installing my new exhaust. Basically I just wanted the bike to not sound like a sewing machine....
I digress - Sadly I don't think you're going to get a lot more sound without getting rid of the cat. What you can do, if you want to test this (It's what I did) is simply unbolt the stock exhaust and see how that sounds. To my ear it barely did anything, but maybe you'll think differently. Either way it's worth a try considering it costs nothing but about 5 minutes of your time. good luck!
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Post by aavmann on Apr 23, 2019 14:36:16 GMT -7
I understand your position. I had the same hopes as you before I bought my exhaust and flashed my ECU. I had no issues with stock power so flashing the ECU was merely to make the bike run well after installing my new exhaust. Basically I just wanted the bike to not sound like a sewing machine....Β I digress - Sadly I don't think you're going to get a lot more sound without getting rid of the cat. What you can do, if you want to test this (It's what I did) is simply unbolt the stock exhaust and see how that sounds. To my ear it barely did anything, but maybe you'll think differently. Either way it's worth a try considering it costs nothing but about 5 minutes of your time. good luck! - DrewΒ Lol. Thanks for your honesty. Like I said , not opposed to the whole deal as I think the bike's sound demands more and can give it too. I read the whole cat box tear down thread and that is an option too but then still needs a flash to do it right. I don't want to cut corners in the end. I'm In Ontario Canada so I would still have to do research as to what is around here that is reliable. Hindle's main manufacturing head quarters Is very close by. Maybe I give them a ring to see what the whole process entails and cost accociated. Lots of guys here have slip ons only.... must change something in regards to noise level.. I'll take your advice and try with the muffler off. Although I thought I read somewhere that this is not the greatest for the bike either. I have a very strong feeling I'll end up doing it all like you and many others. Thanks for the response. Cheers!
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Post by owle on Apr 23, 2019 23:59:59 GMT -7
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Post by aavmann on Apr 24, 2019 4:10:12 GMT -7
Thanks. Saw that but as mentioned this mod is to the cat box. I was asking if anyone has attacked the stock muffler/can like adding a simple slip on would. Thanks though! π
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Post by bigkurka on Apr 24, 2019 11:56:02 GMT -7
aavmann Have you checked in to the A&R baffle kit. You have to cut out the stock baffle. The A&R baffle is a larger diameter size baffle. I have just installed the baffle on my bike but I also have removed the cat and installed a midpipe. The A&R baffle kit with a midpipe is crazy loud. From watching videos on youtube if you do the baffle kit and wire open the exup valve it gives you more volume for sure, might be what you are looking for. As far as removing the muffler and installing just a tip there is a company that does make that. If you read through the exhaust option threads you should be able to find the post about it pretty easy. Basically the tip would sound just like running the bike without a muffler, it just looks better.
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Post by aavmann on Apr 24, 2019 16:41:24 GMT -7
Hey. Took the advice and took off the stock can completely. Yes. It does sound much better. So going hunting for tips before I butcher the stock can. Ironically. Amazon has an "akrapovic" carbon fibre tip for automobiles! Weird. You can chose all kinds of inlet sizes. The pipe on the MT measures 54.5mm and they offer one that is 54mm. That's a little interference but should slip on with some persuasion and maybe a little light sanding. At least this way it will stay on nice and tight after clamping. I see the little EXUP flapper. I've read that some are wiring it open permanently. Do the majority of members feel that this is an OK practice? Why not just zip wheel it out then instead? Zero drag from the center post. I don't know much about the risk of doing so. I have the ability to do a nice job but don't really know the repercussions engine or performance wise π³ Gonna sleep on it before I buy it and hope that others will chime in on this thread topic. Thanks!
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Post by hooli on Apr 24, 2019 17:40:15 GMT -7
Hey. Took the advice and took off the stock can completely. Yes. It does sound much better. So going hunting for tips before I butcher the stock can. Ironically. Amazon has an "akrapovic" carbon fibre tip for automobiles! Weird. You can chose all kinds of inlet sizes. The pipe on the MT measures 54.5mm and they offer one that is 54mm. That's a little interference but should slip on with some persuasion and maybe a little light sanding. At least this way it will stay on nice and tight after clamping. I see the little EXUP flapper. I've read that some are wiring it open permanently. Do the majority of members feel that this is an OK practice? Why not just zip wheel it out then instead? Zero drag from the center post. I don't know much about the risk of doing so. I have the ability to do a nice job but don't really know the repercussions engine or performance wise π³ Gonna sleep on it before I buy it and hope that others will chime in on this thread topic. Thanks! When I got my ecu reflashed by 2WDW, it used the map that retains the stock cat and muffler. My bike is a daily ride and I leave for work at o'dark thirty. I really don't feel like pissing off the neighbors with a decat (which my R1 does have) and so I opted for this tune. Nels does advise removing the cables and wiring the Exup valve open and I did that. The exhaust note is a tad louder than bone-stock and slightly deeper, and I think it's awesome.
I *may* get a decat in the future but for now this configuration stays.
Also, the stock muffler has a straight-through core...there are really no baffles or obstructions within:
PS: You know that's not a genuine Akrapovic muffler, right?
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Post by aavmann on Apr 24, 2019 19:18:58 GMT -7
Hey. Took the advice and took off the stock can completely. Yes. It does sound much better. So going hunting for tips before I butcher the stock can. Ironically. Amazon has an "akrapovic" carbon fibre tip for automobiles! Weird. You can chose all kinds of inlet sizes. The pipe on the MT measures 54.5mm and they offer one that is 54mm. That's a little interference but should slip on with some persuasion and maybe a little light sanding. At least this way it will stay on nice and tight after clamping. I see the little EXUP flapper. I've read that some are wiring it open permanently. Do the majority of members feel that this is an OK practice? Why not just zip wheel it out then instead? Zero drag from the center post. I don't know much about the risk of doing so. I have the ability to do a nice job but don't really know the repercussions engine or performance wise π³ Gonna sleep on it before I buy it and hope that others will chime in on this thread topic. Thanks! When I got my ecu reflashed by 2WDW, it used the map that retains the stock cat and muffler. My bike is a daily ride and I leave for work at o'dark thirty. I really don't feel like pissing off the neighbors with a decat (which my R1 does have) and so I opted for this tune. Nels does advise removing the cables and wiring the Exup valve open and I did that. The exhaust note is a tad louder than bone-stock and slightly deeper, and I think it's awesome.
I *may* get a decat in the future but for now this configuration stays.
Also, the stock muffler has a straight-through core...there are really no baffles or obstructions within:
PS: You know that's not a genuine Akrapovic muffler, right? Hey there... well first things first!!... Of course it is!! says so right on the 'real' carbon fibre!! ....Slovenia sold the automotive tip rights to china as a trial business venture...And Jeff Bezos wanted a little piece of the action... Anyway.... Yes, while peering through the stock can I do see its rather straight through, although a large section does have perforations that i'm sure play a role in sound muffling at least a little. As far as the valve, if you really knew it was going to stay 'open' then cutting it off is an option as well?? A far as the cable, did you plan to just leave it hanging like that? It wouldn't do any harm to have it still travelling back and forth in the end i guess. Is the little motor drive looking for resistance as a check for functionality or if you unplug and remove it completely does the ECU even care? This would be good information....which may even lead to a little place to store a credit card or two under the seat. Ill prolly go ahead and order it and share with the group any details, good or bad....then go back to stock can....then get a full system and a flash.... all in that order.
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Post by hooli on Apr 24, 2019 21:04:53 GMT -7
Hey there... well first things first!!... Of course it is!! says so right on the 'real' carbon fibre!! ....Slovenia sold the automotive tip rights to china as a trial business venture...And Jeff Bezos wanted a little piece of the action... Anyway.... Yes, while peering through the stock can I do see its rather straight through, although a large section does have perforations that i'm sure play a role in sound muffling at least a little. As far as the valve, if you really knew it was going to stay 'open' then cutting it off is an option as well?? A far as the cable, did you plan to just leave it hanging like that? It wouldn't do any harm to have it still travelling back and forth in the end i guess. Is the little motor drive looking for resistance as a check for functionality or if you unplug and remove it completely does the ECU even care? This would be good information....which may even lead to a little place to store a credit card or two under the seat. Ill prolly go ahead and order it and share with the group any details, good or bad....then go back to stock can....then get a full system and a flash.... all in that order. Both cables were removed and are in my spares box... that pic was taken partway through the process. There's no harm in leaving it hanging there, but I also unplugged and removed the Exup motor beneath the seat (it was disabled during the ecu flash). You can also leave it with the cables removed, or take it out and use one of the many aftermarket terminator plugs so you won't get an error light on your instrument panel.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 22:22:01 GMT -7
Aavmann, I can tell you my Graves slip-on is significantly louder than stock, so you don't really have to decat to get better sound. At least with my choice, and I'd assume the accessory Yoshi slip-on as well. Sound is significantly better too, and borderline loud to me, so just about perfect. And no fuel smell in my clothes, which that alone makes decatting a non-starter for me now. The Akra slip-on doesn't sound nice or louder at all IMO, so don't consider that. Another member decatted and now says it's too loud, so do your research well to avoid making a mistake.
Hey Hooli, the exhaust valve is normally open via a heavy spring, so no need to wire it at all. In fact, I'd check that you didn't wire the valve wrong, keeping it closed, to avoid engine damage if you ride it at high rpm. If I remember correctly, it needs to be rotated clockwise to its stop to be open, which is the normal position when you turn ignition on. That's how I tested my servo motor when I got a CEL due to a too tight cable when first passing 7K rpm. I rotated it counterclockwise by hand, turned ignition on, and servo immediately whizzed it open, so I knew it wasn't the servo, the cables, or the valve stuck. With the cables detached, it should return to its default open position by itself. If I were you, I'd just remove it to make 100% sure it's in the open position. Hope this helps.
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Post by hooli on Apr 25, 2019 8:11:26 GMT -7
Hey Hooli, the exhaust valve is normally open via a heavy spring, so no need to wire it at all. In fact, I'd check that you didn't wire the valve wrong, keeping it closed, to avoid engine damage if you ride it at high rpm. If I remember correctly, it needs to be rotated clockwise to its stop to be open, which is the normal position when you turn ignition on. That's how I tested my servo motor when I got a CEL due to a too tight cable when first passing 7K rpm. I rotated it counterclockwise by hand, turned ignition on, and servo immediately whizzed it open, so I knew it wasn't the servo, the cables, or the valve stuck. With the cables detached, it should return to its default open position by itself. If I were you, I'd just remove it to make 100% sure it's in the open position. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the heads-up! I'm sure that I have the valve wired correctly though. Reason I know is that I did a test ride the day I received my re-flashed ecu. I was so excited that I removed the exup motor and cables but left the valve alone, thinking that the spring would default it to an open position. Well, the bike ran like crap...precisely as if something was clogging the exhaust tract. Got home, waited for the bike to cool off, and pulled the muffler. The valve was closed and I verified this by pushing it and holding it open manually. Wired it that way with some safety-wire, reinstalled the canister and went out for another test ride. MUCH better, and it revved freely all the way to redline. That was some 1500 miles ago and it runs beautifully (and this is still with the catbox in place).
Maybe I got a Friday bike, idk lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 11:46:01 GMT -7
Interesting. The service manual says it's normally open, like it should. Maybe yours was a bit sticky, and the spring didn't open it. Mine was very hard to turn hooked up, even with the spring, so maybe the spring is useless, after all. At any rate, with the testing you did, it's clear you have it now open. But out of curiosity, do you remember if you turned it clockwise or counterclockwise to its stop? Just to know on which position it's open; it's not clear from the picture you posted. Thx.
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Post by aavmann on Apr 26, 2019 19:35:22 GMT -7
Hey guys. I have read everything on this forum regarding the EXUP valve and agree that wiring it open is ok to do. Just a couple questions please..... Does it void the warranty in any way?
Has ANYONE wired it open then decided to go back to stock?
Lastly....here is where my OCD kicks in..... with a little work, I can make it go away completely... I have a plan.... vacuums, drilling out screw holes, popping off the flapper....cutting the post off and out.. etc etc. Then on to removing cables...etc ONLY issue is that it is not easily reversible. But if it never will be then who cares. Comments appreciated.... Thanks!
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Post by bigkurka on Apr 27, 2019 0:46:57 GMT -7
aavmann When I took my bike in for it's 600 mile service I talked to the service manager a little about removing the cat and asked him about warranty issues. He basically told me depending on what was wrong with the bike and if it was not being used inappropeatley (racing and stuff) it would not void the warranty. He also told me that the chance of anything ever happening to the bikes engine do the exhaust mod is very unlikely. I'm sure every dealer have a slightly different view of this subject but in this day and age they are trying to keep business rather than lose it. I would be more worried about voiding my warranty from reflashing the bikes control module. As for the butterfly valve I drilled out the two screws on the valve and just took it out. The shaft does not come out with out major work.
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Post by aavmann on Apr 27, 2019 2:34:32 GMT -7
aavmann When I took my bike in for it's 600 mile service I talked to the service manager a little about removing the cat and asked him about warranty issues. He basically told me depending on what was wrong with the bike and if it was not being used inappropeatley (racing and stuff) it would not void the warranty. He also told me that the chance of anything ever happening to the bikes engine do the exhaust mod is very unlikely. I'm sure every dealer have a slightly different view of this subject but in this day and age they are trying to keep business rather than lose it. I would be more worried about voiding my warranty from reflashing the bikes control module. As for the butterfly valve I drilled out the two screws on the valve and just took it out. The shaft does not come out with out major work. Thanks for the reply....makes sense and I do agree with your comment regarding flashes.... but each and every case is different. The shaft is a little tricky and probably not worth the effort but mentally having it ALL out would be awesome no? π€ͺ How far did you go with the cables and servo motor? Thanks again
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Post by bigkurka on Apr 27, 2019 9:10:35 GMT -7
I removed the cables completely but left the servo motor in for now. Eventually I will remove the servo and either just plug in a servo buddy or do a reflash but that wont't be for for some time. I'm not worried about removing a pound or two from the bike, I weigh almost 300lb and the damn thing stills lifts the front wheel in 3rd gear with ease. I to thought about removing the shaft but after seeing what it take to remove it I decided against it.
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Post by aavmann on Apr 27, 2019 10:00:12 GMT -7
I removed the cables completely but left the servo motor in for now. Eventually I will remove the servo and either just plug in a servo buddy or do a re flash but that wont't be for for some time. I'm not worried about removing a pound or two from the bike, I weigh almost 300lb and the damn thing stills lifts the front wheel in 3rd gear with ease. I to thought about removing the shaft but after seeing what it take to remove it I decided against it. Yeah, I hear ya. Power is not something I was hoping for more of but just a little more noise before I go ape $hit and do a full or 3/4 system with flash. The power is nuts on this beast for sure. I am 250. Have you looked into the suspension based on weight? I know the Japanese usually set all bikes for smaller lighter individuals. (mind you, at 6'5" with a comfort seat...the bike is REALLY tall) Not sure if you have read any of my other posts but one really interesting (and free) mod that I did was raise the forks up on the triple tree by 20mm (third line). This REALLY helps with keeping the power to the ground and not send the front instantly sky high like before. It was a suggestion by a suspension guru named Dave Moss based on other characteristics of suspension geometry but had a major effect on this too.. I'm really glad I did it as the difference is astonishing. I will be looking into potential suspension upgrades as well to better suit my weight class. As far as the shaft...I will ponder over some ideas today again and post my findings if they are worth while or not. Cheers!
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Post by hooli on Apr 27, 2019 10:26:41 GMT -7
Thanks for the reply....makes sense and I do agree with your comment regarding flashes.... but each and every case is different. The shaft is a little tricky and probably not worth the effort but mentally having it ALL out would be awesome no? π€ͺ If you don't want to hack on your existing cat, I am pretty sure that there are used ones floating around that owners who have decatted their bikes would let go for cheap.
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