blakbear
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Post by blakbear on Oct 10, 2018 20:03:36 GMT -7
Hey Everyone, so i was out riding yesterday, enjoying one of the last few days of riding in Chicago with some buddys, so i am loyal to the brand, have ridden all yamahas for 13 years now, fzr600 2 R6's and now the MT10. never had any issues with the previous bikes, and to say i was Hard on those R6's would be an understatement, but they always withstood the beatings and not 1 issue. so back to yesterday, on the way home on the highway i went pass my buddy who has an fz09, as i passed him i notice a loss of power, then i feel a burst on my left leg and bike is dead within seconds, luckily i was able to pull over without any issue. So i immediatley notice the internals have punched a whole in the upper case, (near the shift rod) and further inspection on the bottom of the case( just above and to the right of the oil filter) i believe thats a cooler line come through there. left boot and pant covered in oil, left side of rear tire in oil, the rest sprayed my buddy. So i am def going through a ton of dif emotions, and trying not to freak out, i am taking the bike to the dealer this sat so they can inspect and see what happened, i dont recall what the warranty is, but i believe it is 12months 12k mi(ill have to read the manual) i have 6700 miles, and bought it just over 4 months ago. Def was not leaking, i have it parked in my garage and check for spots before i head out. was riding it the day before no issues, rode it to bike night and no issues, went for dinner, took another ride, relaxed for 10-15 mins then we proceeded home, and this happened. So i am freaking out, anyone feel free to talk me off the ledge. UPDATE - I CALLED THE DEALERSHIP AND SPOKE WITH SERVICE, I AM NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE GUYS CUSTOMER SERVICE, THAT BEING SAID HE TOLD ME (SAME THING THEY TOLD THE OTHER GUY WITH THE FZ10) THEY HAVE NO MOTORS, AND THAT THEY WILL BE WORKING WITH YAMAHA TO GET PARTS ORDERED AND BUILD A NEW MOTOR FROM SCRATCH.
I DEFINITELY AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, BUT NOT SURE WHAT CHOICES I WOULD HAVE, I ALSO ASKED HIM TO SEND ME THE BUILD DATE OFF THE VIN TAG, WHICH HE HAS NOT DONE. PERSONALLY I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULDNT JUST BUILD ONE AT THE FACTORY AND SHIP IT, VS HAVING SOMEONE WHO PROBABLY HAS NEVER BUILT THIS SPECIFIC MOTOR.
I WILL BE REACHING OUT TO THE DEALER AND HOPEFULLY GET IN CONTACT WITH SOMEONE FROM YAMAHA AND SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE, MAYBE I CAN FINAGLE THEM TO BUY IT BACK AND GET A 2019.
UPDATE - MOTOR IS FINALLY BACK TOGETHER(ONLY TOOK THEM 5 MONTHS) READY FOR PICK UP - I WILL BE GETTING THE BIKE THIS SATURDAY - I LOOKED INTO TRADING IT IN AND GETTING A 19 - BUT ID BASICALLY BE LOSING OUT ON MY DOWN PAYMENT AND BASICALLY START OVER AGAIN. SO IM OPTING TO PURCHASE THE Y.E.S. THROUGH THEM, THEY ARE GOING TO MATCH THE ONLINE PRICE FOR 469. IM EXCITED TO GET MY BIKE BACK AS THE WEATHER IS WARMING UP HERE IN CHICAGO. HOPEFULLY THAT WAS A ONE TIME FLUKE - BUT EITHER WAY I WILL BE TAKING A COUPLE LONG DISTANCE TRIPS THAT SHOULD PUT IT TO THE TEST  |
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Post by evitzee on Oct 10, 2018 20:25:31 GMT -7
That doesn't sound good at all. You'll have to see what the diagnosis is from the dealer. But I noticed from your previous posts that you flogged your R6's pretty hard, was concerned about head shake of the MT-10, and ran your previous bikes on the GP shift pattern. From that I can assume you are a pretty aggressive rider. Don't know if any of these things have contributed to the damage to your engine, but Japanese sport engines are well known for their durability and toughness. What kind of oil/filter were you using? Topped up? It could be you had an oil line to the oil radiator let go, or had an oil filter suddenly fail that allowed the oil to escape which starved the engine of oil, or an extreme event like losing your drain plug. These could lead to a catastrophic failure in pretty short order. Let us know what the diagnosis of failure was so we can keep an eye on things. Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 20:58:19 GMT -7
Sorry to hear brother. But yours is the FIRST FZ/MT-10 I've ever heard that has any kind of engine trouble, let alone blowing up. I assume you check oil level before every ride, correct? Let us know what kind of maintenance you've done on it (mileage, oil used, filter used, etc). It might be crucial. Hopefully it'll be covered under warranty. Please keep us posted, and good luck.
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thomascrown
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Post by thomascrown on Oct 10, 2018 23:47:09 GMT -7
Sounds like you threw a rod. I have 26k miles on mine, and it she runs fine...knock on wood. Do you bang it off the rev limiter in neutral? Or run high rpms when the engine/oil is cold?
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Post by ikranmakto on Oct 11, 2018 0:00:44 GMT -7
Wow...This is the first I have ever heard of this happening to a CP4 motor, what a bummer.
You wouldn't be the first person to ride the FZ/MT10 in a spirited manner. they are a hoons choice of weapon.(unsure if you use this term in the USA)
Keep us updated on what the prognosis is from your dealer.
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Post by harri183 on Oct 11, 2018 13:11:51 GMT -7
There’s a MT10 engine on eBay at the moment from a dealer for spares as main bearing slipped and self detonated. I think with only 4,5k on it.
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Post by bigweb2001 on Oct 11, 2018 13:17:22 GMT -7
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Post by morbo on Oct 11, 2018 15:25:22 GMT -7
I think the 100,000 mile warranty is the only thing specifying Yamalube be used. I don't think it's required to use Yamalube to be covered under the standard warranty. As long as the oil meets Yamaha's oil specs they'd be hard pressed to prove owner is negligent. Happy to be proven wrong, but I've never heard of warranty being denied simply because the oil wasn't the manufacturer's brand. He's still in the standard warranty period so I'd expect Yamaha to cover it assuming OP didn't do anything to violate T&C if the warranty. |
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Post by peripateticmike on Oct 11, 2018 15:58:43 GMT -7
I beat the ever loving shit out of my bike...with love of course. Exhaust/tuned/GP shift etc. Just turned 12K and zero issues. Sucks to hear, but I'm guessing yours is a rare and isolated event. Nothing is impossible, hopefully your dealer will take care of you. Put everything back to stock as best you can first though.
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blakbear
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Post by blakbear on Oct 14, 2018 9:31:33 GMT -7
Just a quick update for now, i towed the bike to the dealer. So will wait and see what they say. So i used synthetic 10w-40 typcally i use mobile 1 but i went with valvoline this time. bike was working perfectly fine, and no oil loss, level was fine, i kept an eye on it as just after the first service i noticed 2 seepages 1 from the plug, which i remedied (was missing the washer) and on the left side i believe the stator cover, had a seepage but stopped after a while, i used the kn oil filter, and def kept an eye on it, ive always used this filter and never had any issues, i looked at it closely and doesnt show any signs of wear or breakage, but the hole that was punched underneath was right next to where the filter is and another one on the top, ill see about getting photos up soon. As far as my riding style goes, i def do not rev bomb it, id say i do spirited run, not quite how i used to on the R6. I more enjoy the longer runs and if i want to hit it here and there i do. I had 6700 miles, and had done the 2nd oil change at 4000 miles. as far as aftermarket stuff, i decided not to do the gp shifting, that said i have some ASV levers and integrated tail lamp. Nothing else.      |
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Post by evitzee on Oct 14, 2018 10:53:08 GMT -7
That looks nasty. Keep us posted on the eventual diagnosis, hope the dealer and Yamaha corporate don't give you the runaround.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 12:32:36 GMT -7
Sorry to see that brother. I remember reading about aftermarket oil filter failures, but don't remember if it was K&N or Mobil1. At any rate, I always stick to OEM oil filters, especially during warranty. My main reason is to avoid manufacturer blaming the oil filter, in cases like this. But the secondary and equally compelling reason is due to the pressure relief valve. Nobody states the specs on that, and since bikes require thicker oil than cars, those filters might start bypassing oil sooner than OEM, so rather play it safe. Hey, would you mind telling us the year of your bike and build date? Thanks. And best of luck with your claim. Please keep us posted.
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Post by evitzee on Oct 15, 2018 12:47:23 GMT -7
The K&N KN-204 filter had an issue for about six months after they moved their production to Thailand (March through Sept 2016). The welded nut on the end was improperly attached which led to a few failures, the problem was identified and K&N recalled those filters. I actually had one on the bike at the time so I immediately replaced it, took a pic of the date code, filled out the recall form and they sent me a new filter. I've used this filter for many years on many bikes with no issues, I'm confident the problem is fixed. If you buy a genuine OEM Yamaha filter now you will find it is also made in Thailand, probably in the same factory. Prices are pretty much the same so I will probably revert back to Yamaha next time, but the 17mm nut on the K&N makes removing the filter a lot easier. And removing the factory filter for the first time always has the possibility of being a thrill ride, many are put on way too tight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 17:53:40 GMT -7
The good news is the welded nut on the K&N filter on an FZ/MT-10 is totally unnecessary. You have space to spare for a plier-type oil-filter wrench, which is my preferred tool for the job. You can remove any filter with that, if you have enough leverage... which you do on this bike. I need to buy a filter or two. Was checking out oils at Walmart yesterday. Saw the Rotella T6, and indeed it's rated as JASO MA/MA2, and not rated for 'CD, which is the only rating the manual says to avoid. Owner's manual actually doesn't say anything about JASO MA/MA2; just not to use diesel oil rated for CD. Well, this is the European .pdf manual, which also states oil change intervals of 6K miles. But we all know for wet clutches we need JASO MA/MA2. The other oil Walmart has is the Quicksilver 10/40, is rated for several Sx specs, and also JASO MA/MA2. The T6 has many Cx ratings. The Mobil1 20/50 is not even rated JASO MA/MA2; only the 10/40. Interesting. The other bad news for the T6 is it's only available in gallon size, and 2.5 gallon size, so we'd have to buy 2 gallons (or the gigantic 2.5 jug). Still uneasy to use a diesel oil; wonder what's the difference in that additive package, vs a motorycle specific oil. Don't think sites like BITOG discuss that, no? Thx.
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Post by dustycoyote on Oct 15, 2018 21:26:52 GMT -7
I have been using Shell Rotella T6 for many years now. Never had a problem. I run Rotella T6 in my FZ-09( 35000 mls), FZ-10( 15000 mls), BMW X5 (120000 mls), BMW 323I (140000 mls), Suzuki DRZ-400S, Suzuki-400SM, Suzuki DR200se and my Husquarna lawnmower. Never had a problem. I purchase it at Amazon for $15 a gallon. ( with mail in rebate). I am not paying double or triple just for having a picture of a motorcycle on the container.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 10:39:33 GMT -7
That's a good testimonial; thank you. Hey, may I ask you if you needed more than a gallon for the FZ-10? Manual says about 4.3 qts. I like to drain oil until nothing drips anymore, so probably a bit more than 4 qts. Will check if Amazon has quart size. Will probably buy that one, since I like 5/40 much better than 10/40 for better lubrication at start-up. Thanks again for your input.
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blakbear
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Post by blakbear on Oct 16, 2018 13:42:16 GMT -7
Sounds like you threw a rod. I have 26k miles on mine, and it she runs fine...knock on wood. Do you bang it off the rev limiter in neutral? Or run high rpms when the engine/oil is cold? Just got off the phone with service, i wanted to know what was wrong, so he said it was the first rod. i have the receipts for the 4k mile oil change i did, just waiting to get the other receipt from the other place i bought it for. He said that the aftermarket filter may have played a role in it as it doesnt have the exact specs of the OE filter. He said they are likely to cover it but want to see that it was serviced. so ill have to wait to send in the other receipts for the first service and go from there. Seems like they are going to cover it, im sure it comes down to what can be proved. I work as a field appraiser so any questionable damage in the area of a loss comes down to can i say without a doubt its not related. im sure the manufacturer does the same thing. I just want my baby back :*( |
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Post by blakbear on Oct 16, 2018 13:46:03 GMT -7
so i recall the oe filter was a pain to remove, i had pliers and the damn thing wouldnt budge and just crushed, took all my cunning to get that damn thing out, which is why i like the kn because its easier to remove, i dont have the bike with me right now or id give you the build date, but it is the 2018 mt10 us model. i bought it in may, so potentially it was made late 2017 or early 2018.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 20:33:52 GMT -7
I figured they'd mention the filter, but hopefully you won't have to fight them on that. Or having to wait weeks until they determine it wasn't the filter. Good luck brother. And thanks for the bike's year, but when you get the bike back, I'd appreciate the build date, in case it happens again, to have some background. And yes, factory filters are always a royal PITA to remove the first time, but zero issues after that. There's a lot of space to remove it, even if it's all mangled, so not worried about that. Will post my experience when it's time. Forgot to ask what kind of oil you put in there, out of curiosity. No rush. Thanks again. I guess it's unlikely Yamaha would provide you with a loaner, but wouldn't hurt to ask, no? I'd also ask them if they know of any other FZ/MT-10 engine failure. Hopefully none other, and just a Friday built gone wrong. Take care.
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Post by dustycoyote on Oct 16, 2018 20:33:59 GMT -7
That's a good testimonial; thank you. Hey, may I ask you if you needed more than a gallon for the FZ-10? Manual says about 4.3 qts. I like to drain oil until nothing drips anymore, so probably a bit more than 4 qts. Will check if Amazon has quart size. Will probably buy that one, since I like 5/40 much better than 10/40 for better lubrication at start-up. Thanks again for your input. I believe I used 4.2 qts, but I like to fill her up to the max. mark. 4 qts might be enough to make it to the minimum mark. Just buy 2 qts and call it a day. |
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