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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 20:41:15 GMT -7
Thanks brother. Amazon has T6 5/40 in quart size, so I'll order one of those. Should be good for 3 to 4 oil changes. That way, I only have to buy 1 gallon jug for every oil change. Not that much garage space on the current rental house. Once in my new house, will have room to spare again. Just need to order a couple of oil filters along with the comfort seat. Thanks again.
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Post by evitzee on Oct 16, 2018 22:20:41 GMT -7
Sounds like you threw a rod. I have 26k miles on mine, and it she runs fine...knock on wood. Do you bang it off the rev limiter in neutral? Or run high rpms when the engine/oil is cold? Just got off the phone with service, i wanted to know what was wrong, so he said it was the first rod. i have the receipts for the 4k mile oil change i did, just waiting to get the other receipt from the other place i bought it for. He said that the aftermarket filter may have played a role in it as it doesnt have the exact specs of the OE filter. He said they are likely to cover it but want to see that it was serviced. so ill have to wait to send in the other receipts for the first service and go from there. Seems like they are going to cover it, im sure it comes down to what can be proved. I work as a field appraiser so any questionable damage in the area of a loss comes down to can i say without a doubt its not related. im sure the manufacturer does the same thing. I just want my baby back :*( Of course the relevant question is why did the engine frag itself? I suppose it could be the filter but I doubt that it is, both the OEM Yamaha and K&N are made in Thailand and I suspect from the same factory. These filters aren't that high tech. You'll probably never learn what happened.
Looking at the service manual it would appear replacing the engine and transferring over all the undamaged stuff (headers, fuel injection system, sensors, starter, pumps, etc) would be a major job. I don't think my dealer would have the experienced people to do this, hope your's does. Hopefully Yamaha will have a service technician on call to help. Keep us posted on how it all works out. Sorry that you have a bike that had an issue. I suppose the damaged lump will go back to Yamaha for teardown to determine what caused the failure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 11:49:55 GMT -7
OP needs to make sure he gets a new crate motor, and just transfer the intake/FI, etc. I don't think anybody would have experience tearing down and rebuilding that motor, and sure as hell I wouldn't want to be the first one. And yes, very unlikely it'd be the oil filter without leaks. The only way would be if it was, somehow, completely blocking oil flow to the engine, starving it, but he'd have immediately gotten an oil pressure warning light. It'd be very easy to test the oil filter for blockage; if it's not, Yamaha cannot blame the failure on that. And with only 2,700 miles on the oil, they can't blame the oil either, as long as it was an approved oil (JASO MA/MA2)... although that spec is really to protect the clutch and tranny life better, not the engine. Hope to hear good news, including OP getting a loaner  . |
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Post by blakbear on Nov 1, 2018 17:04:35 GMT -7
Hey Everyone, so i was out riding yesterday, enjoying one of the last few days of riding in Chicago with some buddys, so i am loyal to the brand, have ridden all yamahas for 13 years now, fzr600 2 R6's and now the MT10. never had any issues with the previous bikes, and to say i was Hard on those R6's would be an understatement, but they always withstood the beatings and not 1 issue. so back to yesterday, on the way home on the highway i went pass my buddy who has an fz09, as i passed him i notice a loss of power, then i feel a burst on my left leg and bike is dead within seconds, luckily i was able to pull over without any issue. So i immediatley notice the internals have punched a whole in the upper case, (near the shift rod) and further inspection on the bottom of the case( just above and to the right of the oil filter) i believe thats a cooler line come through there. left boot and pant covered in oil, left side of rear tire in oil, the rest sprayed my buddy. So i am def going through a ton of dif emotions, and trying not to freak out, i am taking the bike to the dealer this sat so they can inspect and see what happened, i dont recall what the warranty is, but i believe it is 12months 12k mi(ill have to read the manual) i have 6700 miles, and bought it just over 4 months ago. Def was not leaking, i have it parked in my garage and check for spots before i head out. was riding it the day before no issues, rode it to bike night and no issues, went for dinner, took another ride, relaxed for 10-15 mins then we proceeded home, and this happened. So i am freaking out, anyone feel free to talk me off the ledge. UPDATE - I CALLED THE DEALERSHIP AND SPOKE WITH SERVICE, I AM NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE GUYS CUSTOMER SERVICE, THAT BEING SAID HE TOLD ME (SAME THING THEY TOLD THE OTHER GUY WITH THE FZ10) THEY HAVE NO MOTORS, AND THAT THEY WILL BE WORKING WITH YAMAHA TO GET PARTS ORDERED AND BUILD A NEW MOTOR FROM SCRATCH. I DEFINITELY AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, BUT NOT SURE WHAT CHOICES I WOULD HAVE, I ALSO ASKED HIM TO SEND ME THE BUILD DATE OFF THE VIN TAG, WHICH HE HAS NOT DONE. PERSONALLY I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULDNT JUST BUILD ONE AT THE FACTORY AND SHIP IT, VS HAVING SOMEONE WHO PROBABLY HAS NEVER BUILT THIS SPECIFIC MOTOR. I WILL BE REACHING OUT TO THE DEALER AND HOPEFULLY GET IN CONTACT WITH SOMEONE FROM YAMAHA AND SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE, MAYBE I CAN FINAGLE THEM TO BUY IT BACK AND GET A 2019. |
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Post by peripateticmike on Nov 1, 2018 17:20:52 GMT -7
Following both threads.
I don't work for a motorcycle dealer but I'm a 20 year luxury brand automotive dealership employee. In special circumstances when replacement engines are not available, I have seen where they have pulled an engine off the assembly line and shipped it to the dealership. Of course we're talking about $100K+ vehicles with a much larger production number versus an under $15k motorcycle with a much smaller profit margin, so that's unlikely to happen. But I might make some noise and stomp my foot with Yamaha north america if I were in your shoes. Can't hurt
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Post by evitzee on Nov 1, 2018 19:45:20 GMT -7
Motorcycles are built in batches and there may well NOT be a motor sitting in stock that they can ship to you. However, laws governing warranty have provisions that protect YOU, the owner. Unfortunately the dealer, and even Yamaha corporate, aren't going to go to bat for you in most instances. At this point you may have to reach out to a lawyer to get Yamaha corporate off their fat asses and be proactive. I would not accept the excuse that they will rebuild a motor from scratch.....not acceptable. The young guys at your dealership do NOT have the experience to rebuild your destroyed block from scratch, that's just corporate nonsense. I would be looking for a buyback, you'll lose some money but you will be better off than riding a rebuilt motor which I would always be questioning every time I hit the starter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 9:37:16 GMT -7
Unfortunately, there's no lemon law for motorcycles, and I'm sure that has something to do with that 'we don't have any motors' attitude. And getting tangled in a legal battle for a $13K motorcycle makes little financial sense IMO. Looks like the only realistic quick way out of that mess is to politely ask to get the bike bought back, like suggested. And if that fails, then get it traded like if it wasn't blown for a 2019. Yamaha would be very stupid if they don't agree with at least the latter, since a rebuilt motor is absolutely out of the question for most of us, and they'd lose a customer for life, plus all the negative coverage they'd get (which I'd surely make sure to do). I'd start pushing for a buyback NOW, and go from there. Best of luck, and please keep us posted.
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Post by evitzee on Nov 16, 2018 15:02:12 GMT -7
Any update on the ruined motor?
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Post by blakbear on Nov 19, 2018 21:39:24 GMT -7
Any update on the ruined motor? It is still ruined  I am actually going tomorrow to take some photos of it, i did speak with Yamaha customer service, and basically was told no for any and all questions as far as a built motor or buy back, i spoke with the salesman at the dealer and asked him to run some numbers, just want to see what they would give me for the bike if i want to trade it in for a 2019. High probability that i will keep the bike and purchase the Y.E.S warranty, called straight to yamaha and they said it is 690 for the warranty, which is the same the dealer was offering me. I will see if they can give me a break since i did see someone posted about the warranty through ebay from another dealer. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 10:18:56 GMT -7
Sorry to hear the bad news; that's not right. But hopefully they'll tell you what they attribute the failure to. As far as the YES, there's an active thread on it right on this forum; look for it. It's $469, I think, but 3 states are excluded (hopefully not where you live). I just asked that dealer to send me the entire contract. After reading it, will post what I found on that thread, so everybody know exactly what we're getting from it, which I'm almost sure it'd be less than the factory warranty, since they call it a 'service (contract)', not a warranty. I'm disappointed at Yamaha though. Getting that kind of service after the worst possible thing happens to you is just not right. I'd absolutely try to trade it for a new one; hopefully they'll give you a good deal. Letting a dealer learn how to rebuild a motor on your bike is just not acceptable to me. And neither waiting months for a resolution. Good luck brother.
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Post by blakbear on Nov 20, 2018 14:52:50 GMT -7
Sorry to hear the bad news; that's not right. But hopefully they'll tell you what they attribute the failure to. As far as the YES, there's an active thread on it right on this forum; look for it. It's $469, I think, but 3 states are excluded (hopefully not where you live). I just asked that dealer to send me the entire contract. After reading it, will post what I found on that thread, so everybody know exactly what we're getting from it, which I'm almost sure it'd be less than the factory warranty, since they call it a 'service (contract)', not a warranty. I'm disappointed at Yamaha though. Getting that kind of service after the worst possible thing happens to you is just not right. I'd absolutely try to trade it for a new one; hopefully they'll give you a good deal. Letting a dealer learn how to rebuild a motor on your bike is just not acceptable to me. And neither waiting months for a resolution. Good luck brother. So, basically the bearings on the rods were burning on the crank shaft for cyl 1 and 4, 4 being the one that crapped out, they said it had to have been happening for a while and then just finally gave out, you can see the metal shavings in the oil strainer. He said likely the oil was not getting into one of the holes that is supposed to allow oil in and could have been a defect from manufacturer. Build date on the bike is 11/17. As far as trade in goes, they would be looking at giving me 8800 for the bike, before tax and fees new i paid 11799. so if i wanted a 19 id be paying 11300 approx, that being said, they have their most experienced yamaha certified tech doing the build, i will also be getting that YES contract, which i showed the salesman the price on ebay, he is going to see if he can do it for that price. but i think i will stick with what i have, if there is an issue with the build, it will be sure to show soon just like this one. I have 6700 miles on the bike in 4-5 months. I live in Chicago, so being without the bike right now is not a big deal. They did say they are waiting to receive all the parts and then they will begin the build which should be complete in approx 3-4 days.       |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 11:23:05 GMT -7
Thank you very much for the update. With just actual trade-in value ($8,800), and not needing the bike in the near future, it's not unreasonable to wait and see if it works out (hopefully). But I'd demand all new parts, including transmission and clutch, since every moving part could have been damaged by all the debris. With everything brand new, and an experienced tech, it should turn out okay, especially if the block already comes with pistons and crank installed (full block), which is the most critical part of the job IMO. I'd also demand the Y.E.S. for free from Yamaha, especially after the unreasonable delays. Moving on, your build date is actually a late one, so not an early 'bug' at all. With an obvious issue with both outer cylinders with your low mileage, even with 10/40 oil, and not over-revving engine when cold, it has to be a (rare) block manufacturing defect IMO, since no wear was reported on the valve train, which is the first to suffer from lower oil pressure. But I still don't like these bikes running so low (in temperature) in cool weather, since oil is far from its ideal operating temperature of 212ºF, and harder to reach critical areas. Wish these bikes had oil temperature and oil pressure gauges to better judge when it's safe to run them harder. But without neither, I'll never run mine even remotely hard without coolant temp at least 200ºF, even with 5/40 oil, to avoid excessive wear for the next owner. He he. Good luck OP, and please keep us posted on your progress. Thanks again for your update . |
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Post by blakbear on Mar 23, 2019 21:58:32 GMT -7
So update to the update- Picked up the bike today, rode about 30ft down the road and can hear backfiring and felt like it was misfiring, took it back, and the tech said it was fine when he road it, went for a test ride came back and said "well shit" decided to take it home and see if it was bad gas, but seems to be getting worse so i will be taking it back tomorrow, also they seemed to have chipped and scratch both my wheels. so im going to be pushing for them to replace them with new ones.
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Post by evitzee on Mar 24, 2019 9:31:52 GMT -7
Thanks for the update but it seems that even after five months they haven't got it sorted out yet. Good luck.
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Post by bigweb2001 on Mar 24, 2019 17:43:04 GMT -7
Damn. Had I read this I would have just gotten a Tuono....
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Post by techsniffer on Mar 25, 2019 5:16:53 GMT -7
Damn. Had I read this I would have just gotten a Tuono.... This situation is far, far from the norm. The Tuono's aren't without their share of issues either. No matter which bike you buy, there is always a chance that some odd thing has happened to cause a failure. I really feel that the main story here is the dealership in question, it should never take 5 months to make repairs and then still not get it right. |
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Post by captainibk on Jan 11, 2021 10:43:19 GMT -7
I had the same thing happen to my 2017 MT10. 8k miles
Unfortunately I’m in Nigeria and don’t have any Yamaha dealership here. Can’t get a warranty. I already purchased a used engine on eBay. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what to do to avoid this happening again.
I had KN filters and used liqui moly oil 15w50.
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Post by willl84 on Jan 11, 2021 18:59:02 GMT -7
There really isn't anything you can do to prevent it. Things like this tend to be from a piece of metal leftover that didn't get properly cleaned from manufacturing that finally wound up blocking an oil passage.
Some say they've had good luck with the K&N filters but I stay away from them as much as possible and stick with the OEM Yamaha ones.
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Post by captainibk on Jan 14, 2021 7:11:58 GMT -7
Thanks a lot. I’ll stick to OEM filters here on.
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Post by rracerfz10 on Jan 15, 2021 11:27:09 GMT -7
Yeah I use OEM filters and the full synth Yamalube in mine. hopefully I won't need it but I got the full 5 year warranty too.
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