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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 13:52:59 GMT -7
Im curious, are all 2018 R1 cans and pipes compatible with the 2018 MT-10? What I found when shopping for slip-on cans for my bike is that most of them are either generic cans with piping and brackets to fit the FZ/MT-10, or cans designed for the R1 and adapted to the FZ/MT-10, like the Graves I bought. The only one that might have been designed for the FZ/MT-10 is the Akra that is sold as an accessory by Yamaha. What I noticed recently on my Graves slip-on is that it seems to actually decrease cornering clearance, compared to stock. Problem is I don't like neither the stock nor Akra cans (very similar), but if I ever grind the Graves, would have to replace it with the Akra, to avoid the issue. Hope that never happens, but still don't like the fact that it reduces cornering clearance you might need some day. On the R1 it probably doesn't, because as somebody else already pointed out, it sits higher up. Have a related question: If you were to lay the bike down stationary to see what touches down first (and by how much), would it be about the same as when the bike is cornering, with suspension compressed? I think so, but rather ask. I don't have 5 or 6 guys that could help me attempt that without the bike actually touching down (or just touching a towel, or something), but would like to do it in the future, to see if the muffler would touch down first, and by how much. I'm going to get shorter feelers, since they're longer than they need to be, but I don't know if I should do that with my Graves muffler. We'll see. Thanks gang. |
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Post by khanartist on Jul 31, 2019 12:52:09 GMT -7
The simple answer is no. The problem is the mt10 rearsets are lower than the R1’s so the exhaust might hit and muffler hanger is in a slightly different position. Is that why i am able to scrape peg? Lol. Wonder if r1 rearsets are compatible with my bike then. |
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Post by khanartist on Jul 31, 2019 12:54:11 GMT -7
What graves exhaust do you have? The cat back or the EVR?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 15:16:57 GMT -7
What graves exhaust do you have? The cat back or the EVR? If you're referring to me, I have the slip-on can only. Below is a pic of it, but what's not shown is it's wider than stock where it'd hit (at the bottom of it), even with the flat area that seems to avoid having a cornering clearance issue. Hence my comment about possibly decreasing cornering clearance, but I'm not certain.  |
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Post by fb666y on Jul 31, 2019 22:03:31 GMT -7
Im curious, are all 2018 R1 cans and pipes compatible with the 2018 MT-10? What I found when shopping for slip-on cans for my bike is that most of them are either generic cans with piping and brackets to fit the FZ/MT-10, or cans designed for the R1 and adapted to the FZ/MT-10, like the Graves I bought. The only one that might have been designed for the FZ/MT-10 is the Akra that is sold as an accessory by Yamaha. What I noticed recently on my Graves slip-on is that it seems to actually decrease cornering clearance, compared to stock. Problem is I don't like neither the stock nor Akra cans (very similar), but if I ever grind the Graves, would have to replace it with the Akra, to avoid the issue. Hope that never happens, but still don't like the fact that it reduces cornering clearance you might need some day. On the R1 it probably doesn't, because as somebody else already pointed out, it sits higher up. Have a related question: If you were to lay the bike down stationary to see what touches down first (and by how much), would it be about the same as when the bike is cornering, with suspension compressed? I think so, but rather ask. I don't have 5 or 6 guys that could help me attempt that without the bike actually touching down (or just touching a towel, or something), but would like to do it in the future, to see if the muffler would touch down first, and by how much. I'm going to get shorter feelers, since they're longer than they need to be, but I don't know if I should do that with my Graves muffler. We'll see. Thanks gang.
I should be able to help you there. Too fast through a right hander in the rain:
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Post by micke on Aug 1, 2019 21:08:30 GMT -7
Hi there . I got akra slipon and arrow decat and the sound is unbeliveble good i thought it would be to loud after reading here ...but no its perfekt . And here in Sweden yamaha dealers say that its ok to do so without any flash or map as long as lambda is there . And i must say throttle is very smooth i would say perfect for me . A small amount of backfire sometimes but i like that . Maybe i go with pc5 next year just maybe to get even more juice 👍
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Post by vstate60 on Aug 8, 2019 8:59:23 GMT -7
Thanks for all the info in this thread! I just picked up my ‘19 MT-10 and had the 3/4 M4 system installed before taking delivery and it is perfect. Super gnarly growl but not too terribly loud. It is literally perfect—can’t recommend it enough. And for ~$800 installed it’s hard to beat!
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Post by hooli on Aug 9, 2019 21:03:28 GMT -7
Wonder if r1 rearsets are compatible with my bike then. Yes they are. You'll need the R1's rear master cylinder, and you may have an issue aligning the muffler bracket that comes off the right rearset. |
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Post by pascalg on Sept 2, 2019 9:00:52 GMT -7
Hey guys, I just bought my MT10 and am thrilled. I have manufactured a custom link pipe ( Cat delete) and at present have the existing slip on. ( Ear breaking !!!!!). Anyhow, I was planning to manufacture a slip on ( Engineer+ years of fluid dynamics experience), but it will take some time. Has anyone tried the DELKEVIC 200mm delkevic.co.uk/silencers/delkevic-exhaust-silencer-with-removable-baffle-200mm-round-carbon-fibre-.html) ? If yes can you point to anywhere for the sound it produces? I have only found the long version and it sounds great. Just wondering whether the 200mm would be similar in sound. Thanks  |
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Post by wodger63 on Sept 3, 2019 20:19:28 GMT -7
Hey guys, I just bought my MT10 and am thrilled. I have manufactured a custom link pipe ( Cat delete) and at present have the existing slip on. ( Ear breaking !!!!!). Anyhow, I was planning to manufacture a slip on ( Engineer+ years of fluid dynamics experience), but it will take some time. Has anyone tried the DELKEVIC 200mm delkevic.co.uk/silencers/delkevic-exhaust-silencer-with-removable-baffle-200mm-round-carbon-fibre-.html) ? If yes can you point to anywhere for the sound it produces? I have only found the long version and it sounds great. Just wondering whether the 200mm would be similar in sound. Thanks You could always make your own baffle. It's a little out of round due to the flaring tool gripping it. However it does bring the sound down to an acceptable level.    |
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Post by pascalg on Sept 16, 2019 5:10:33 GMT -7
Hey! Thanks for your reply! I am new to the forum and didn't see the posting until today. Followup. I have designed and made ( with the help of race-tech here in Greece), a custom muffler. It sounds absolutely fantastic. Am concerned though, because going through the threads there are postings that the bike probably runs lean and needs flashing. I dont quite get it, because the sensors are still on the link pipe so, the ECU should be adjusting accordingly! Will do some more digging and get back with my finding...and a short vid of the sound. Attached is a pic of the system that we have created.  |
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Post by hooli on Sept 16, 2019 10:30:05 GMT -7
Am concerned though, because going through the threads there are postings that the bike probably runs lean and needs flashing. I dont quite get it, because the sensors are still on the link pipe so, the ECU should be adjusting accordingly! Unlike automobiles, the stock closed-loop oxygen sensors are unable to adjust for radical changes in exhaust flow (which is what happens when you swap out the restrictive cat and exup valve for a free-flowing decat midpipe), hence the need for sometimes substantial fueling changes via reflashing the ecu. Some riders go further and add an aftermarket fuel controller (DynoJet or Bazzaz) so they can have their dyno operator fine-tune the fueling maps for each cylinder, something some flashes don't do. |
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Post by pascalg on Sept 17, 2019 4:55:23 GMT -7
Hey, thanks for the reply! Going a bit further on this, The oxygen sensors on my Suabru Forester for example. There is one on the exhaust manifold ( before the turbo and catalytic converter. This is the one that actually sends the important air/fuel mixture ratings to the ECU for it to adjust. The second one "downstream" in the exhaust is actually more of an "emissions" security system and checks the amount of hydrocarbons in the gas. This to me makes sense. The issue with the Bike is that, its oxygen sensors are on the pipes (exhaust manifold) before the catalytic converter. So It makes sense that they are there to measure the content of the exhaust gases and in turn send info to the ECU to adjust for the air/fuel mixture. Since there is an absence of the second oxygen sensor ( downstream after the catalytic converter), I assume that what happens after the first sensors is irrelevant to the engine air/fuel mixture. Now, the actual sensor is a 4 wire sensor. Even though not necessarily a wide band ( there are narrow band sensors with 4 wires), thinking of the up market cost of the MT10, the performance characteristics of the R1 engine, and the cost of the OEM sensor (< 200 euro), I could sat with a high percent of confidence that this is a wide band sensor (I could be wrong. Have sent an email to the manufacturer requesting specific info on the sensor). If the sensor is a wide band, then it is capable to adjust for the increase in exhaust gas velocity. This is my thinking. And reading this great article in this forum fz10.org/post/12895/thread, actually confirms most of what I state above. My two cents!!! I really want to get to the bottom of this, as flashing seems a bit harsh on a brand new amazingly designed piece of machinery as the MT10.  |
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Post by hooli on Sept 18, 2019 12:30:12 GMT -7
Stock 02 sensors are 12mm narrow-band. Aftermarket wide-band sensors (Woolwich or FTEcu auto-tune) use M18x1.5 threads.
There is always room for improvement, even on brand new bikes. Remember these are basically mass produced machines for the general public.
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Post by jimmybpetree on Oct 12, 2019 11:20:15 GMT -7
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Post by dnozzle on Jan 2, 2020 7:14:12 GMT -7
Leo Vince mid pipe (Purchased from Revzilla) / Cat Delete with a Factory muffler and 2nd is with a Yoshimura Y-Series FZ/MT10 muffler. Sound comparison: Factory muffler is more raspy and a little bit "tinny" Yoshimura Y-Series has a deeper more "full" tone - is only marginally louder than oem muffler. Found on Ebay for around $300 flat. OEM Muffler with Leo Vince midpipe  Yoshimura Y-Series Muffler with Leo Vince Mid pipe   |
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Post by vstate60 on Jan 3, 2020 15:57:23 GMT -7
‘19 MT-10 with 3/4 M4 Carbon exhaust  |
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Post by Moto10 on Jan 4, 2020 10:33:52 GMT -7
‘19 MT-10 with 3/4 M4 Carbon exhaust Got the same setup! Really like the look and sound of it! |
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Post by vstate60 on Jan 4, 2020 14:25:59 GMT -7
Yeah I could not be happier with looks, and more importantly, the growling monster sound. Worked it into the deal when I bought it but installed for ~$700 is kinda hard to beat. I don’t see a reason to replace the headers unless I were racing it and then I’d be more worried about keeping the front down. Highly recommend!
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