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Post by osiris10012 on May 21, 2017 20:02:52 GMT -7
Hello everyone. I just successfully completed an msf course on my fz10. Love the bike but it definitely gave me a fight during some of the exercise's. One thing I noticed was the throttle is extremely twitchy during low speed and the bike doesn't seem happy at any less than 15 mph. I kept it in standard mode considering the max speed during the course was around 22 mph. I am curious if any of you have experienced this? If so did you find a good solution for it? Pretty sure I have read the 2wheeldyno works flash could help this issue. Any input would be appreciated.
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Post by guywithfz10 on May 21, 2017 20:37:15 GMT -7
Hello everyone. I just successfully completed an msf course on my fz10. Love the bike but it definitely gave me a fight during some of the exercise's. One thing I noticed was the throttle is extremely twitchy during low speed and the bike doesn't seem happy at any less than 15 mph. I kept it in standard mode considering the max speed during the course was around 22 mph. I am curious if any of you have experienced this? If so did you find a good solution for it? Pretty sure I have read the 2wheeldyno works flash could help this issue. Any input would be appreciated. the bike doesnt like being at low revs. It's happy once you are past 4-4.5k rpm. Silky smooth at those revs while kinda boggy below 4k. |
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Post by osiris10012 on May 21, 2017 21:06:10 GMT -7
I definitely noticed it liked higher rpm's. For some of the exercise's I just had to rev it up higher and feather the clutch. Was hoping there was a solution to prevent having to do that.
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Post by evitzee on May 21, 2017 21:35:48 GMT -7
Today, most bikes low speed response is often twitchy due to regs which require lean running conditions, but unless you are in stop and go traffic this shouldn't be a problem. I spend very little time in those sort of situations and once you get over 2 to 3,000 rpm the throttle response is fine. All bikes of our capacity are not going to like being put through exercises at 15-20 mph, they aren't designed for that. Enjoy the bike for what it is designed for.
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Post by 0002s on May 22, 2017 4:51:04 GMT -7
The way that I've corrected this is to practice very low speed turns. The issue for me was to get use to having to use VERY LITTLE throttle to get the bike to move. Once I got use to how much was necessary it became easier to modulate the twitchiness of the power band.
If I don't ride the bike for a few days I can still have the issue until I adjust my throttle and the clutch response. The tune did help, but ultimately it was a me learning the bike.
The bike's short wheel base allows it to turn in very quickly. The weight of the bike can really be felt if the weight gets over the turn in axis, on a slow speed turn, and the throttle response puts a lot of instant torque to the real wheel. It doesn't help that the rear shock squats under load. Even more so if it's not adjusted correctly for rider weight. Heavier riders will feel it more.
It it all comes down to feel and time in the saddle.
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Post by osiris10012 on May 22, 2017 6:34:42 GMT -7
I definitely noticed the bike just needed a touch of throttle. Got much better with that as the day went on. I also found that for the very low speed stuff the bike was only happy if you rode in the friction zone of the clutch. Glad to hear the tune helped a little. Was just curious what everyone else was experiencing.
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Post by 0002s on May 22, 2017 6:55:06 GMT -7
Wait until you go over a large enough bump at a slow speed and the bounce causes your body to move back a little. This will cause you to 'goose' the throttle and it is an uncomfortable feeling the first time it happens. Even more so if you're in stop-n-go traffic.
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Post by sumgi on May 22, 2017 20:27:25 GMT -7
I have found the FZ10 a lot less twitchy (unless in B mode) than my CB1000R was. Every bump would make the CB1000R jump a little and would freak me out if I wasn't ready for it. My FZ10, which is completely stock, in standard mode is so smooth even in low revs. I can feel it bog down a bit, but that's about it. I really don't find it twitchy at all, though I do use the friction zone and a little extra throttle to take the low speed turns.
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Post by osiris10012 on May 22, 2017 21:21:15 GMT -7
Wait until you go over a large enough bump at a slow speed and the bounce causes your body to move back a little. This will cause you to 'goose' the throttle and it is an uncomfortable feeling the first time it happens. Even more so if you're in stop-n-go traffic. It was definitely interesting when we had to cross obstacles in the course. Was very difficult to not make the front wheel come up off the ground. I have found the FZ10 a lot less twitchy (unless in B mode) than my CB1000R was. Every bump would make the CB1000R jump a little and would freak me out if I wasn't ready for it. My FZ10, which is completely stock, in standard mode is so smooth even in low revs. I can feel it bog down a bit, but that's about it. I really don't find it twitchy at all, though I do use the friction zone and a little extra throttle to take the low speed turns. Once I realized it didn't like going outside of the friction zone at low speed, I started keeping it in the zone. Took me a little bit but it definitely felt better the more I got used to it. |
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Post by thomascrown on Jun 3, 2017 4:25:20 GMT -7
I don't find it twitchy at all? Standard mode is unusable, it was designed for someone with absolutely no throttle control, and requires way to much throttle to do anything. A mode has a non-linear ramp rate, and is okay for low speed pot-hole infested city streets, but any enthusiastic riding, and the ramp rate really makes things awkward. B mode is what I use 99 percent of the time, and it's perfectly smooth...
The GSXS-1000 gets the same complaints, and I found that bike perfectly smooth too...
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Post by osiris10012 on Jun 3, 2017 8:09:23 GMT -7
The more I ride it the more I notice it's more like an on/off feeling at very low speeds. Once I get up to normal road speeds I have no issues. I think the original issue I thought it had was due to using the bike for something it was never designed for. This bike definitely doesn't like anything under 15 mph.
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Post by mcryder on Jun 3, 2017 11:00:09 GMT -7
I've done a lot of research, across many forums, and that is a typical complaint on fuel injected motorcycles. You might want to check with Yamaha to see if flashing the eco would effect your factory warranty. I am reading a book about high performance riding techniques and the author speaks at length to the "twitchy throttle" issue. As a starter he recommended trying the Street Throttle Tamer www.g2ergo.com. Once again I used google to see if there were reviews of the product and the reviews were overwhelmingly positive. Essentially the Tamer has a different cam profile from stock. I have one coming on Monday and will have it installed next week. I'll post my thoughts on the product once I've tried it for awhile. Congrats on passing the class. |
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Post by osiris10012 on Jun 4, 2017 0:12:26 GMT -7
Thanks. I am very interested in hearing what you think of that throttle tube. Which one did you go with? I assume the street tamer?
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Post by decreasingdave on Jun 4, 2017 2:50:51 GMT -7
Flash the ECU with at least the derestriction tune. It will soften up the throttle twitchiness and give you the 11hp that the US bikes are missing.
Dave
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Post by 0002s on Jun 4, 2017 8:02:44 GMT -7
You could always stop riding at low speeds
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Post by osiris10012 on Jun 4, 2017 8:38:25 GMT -7
Flash the ECU with at least the derestriction tune. It will soften up the throttle twitchiness and give you the 11hp that the US bikes are missing. Dave I am definitely going to get the flash done. Just waiting until I get an exhaust. Don't want my bike to be down twice. You could always stop riding at low speeds Living on a military base makes me have to ride at low speeds quite a bit. Can't open it up until I leave base. |
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Post by audiblepop94 on Jun 4, 2017 8:55:03 GMT -7
Wait until you go over a large enough bump at a slow speed and the bounce causes your body to move back a little. This will cause you to 'goose' the throttle and it is an uncomfortable feeling the first time it happens. Even more so if you're in stop-n-go traffic. I am honestly proud that I have yet to piss myself every time this happens. |
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Post by audiblepop94 on Jun 4, 2017 8:56:11 GMT -7
Flash the ECU with at least the derestriction tune. It will soften up the throttle twitchiness and give you the 11hp that the US bikes are missing. Dave I am definitely going to get the flash done. Just waiting until I get an exhaust. Don't want my bike to be down twice. You could always stop riding at low speeds Living on a military base makes me have to ride at low speeds quite a bit. Can't open it up until I leave base. what base |
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Post by osiris10012 on Jun 4, 2017 10:28:22 GMT -7
I am definitely going to get the flash done. Just waiting until I get an exhaust. Don't want my bike to be down twice. Living on a military base makes me have to ride at low speeds quite a bit. Can't open it up until I leave base. what base I'm at eielson afb in fairbanks alaska |
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Post by audiblepop94 on Jun 4, 2017 10:46:17 GMT -7
I'm at eielson afb in fairbanks alaska Yikes... I don't feel so bad down here in Jacksonville, NC now. |
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