aavmann
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Post by aavmann on Apr 10, 2019 5:51:45 GMT -7
Hello everyone. Have just over 600K on a 2018 and really have been noticing a trend in comparison to my 03 FJR1300. The MT10 really does not like very slow moving traffic and speeds under 20k. I found myself constantly having to hold the clutch in and let it out in short bursts to move ahead. Not doing so results in a very shaky, lugging machine (which I avoid as it's not healthy). Some may say it's due to the CC's of the bike etc but I can honestly say that the FJR1300 is much easier to putt along on. I can leave the clutch out in first with no throttle, and it just slowly and calmly moves forward without hesitation. I have been riding in Mode 2 Traction 2 for the most part (break-in period) Also, the clutch in the FJR is more gradual to start off from a stop. I find the MT needs a little more revs and the clutch almost all the way out before she grabs. I have only owned these two bikes in my lifetime (a brief stint on a 98 VFR800 that did not end well after three months but that's another story  ) so I do not have a lot of bikes to compare too...is this common/normal? Also, I can't decide what's worse....sitting waiting with the clutch in, or putting it in neutral and waiting for the traffic to move forward... ending up in a lot of first gear 'clunks'. I try to avoid traffic where possible and so far, I see the MT takes to the open road with a vengeance, but sometimes, it cant be avoided. Are any others finding it difficult to ride in stop and go traffic, low RPMs in first, etc? |
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Post by chasx on Apr 10, 2019 12:17:09 GMT -7
Yes, this is common on a performance oriented machine. I'm sure the FJR had more torque in the low end, and probably a much heavier flywheel which would ease the slow speed clutch out. Transmission and sprocket ratios will play a large role in slow moving traffic. I haven't had a performance bike yet where lots of clutch slipping wasn't required in slow traffic.
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Post by superspirit on Apr 10, 2019 13:02:35 GMT -7
I installed a G2 throttle Tamer and it helped a lot. I also have a flash it helped but not near as much as the Tamer. I have them installed on both my and my wife's bikes and love the results!
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Post by RedAndBlack on Apr 10, 2019 14:28:31 GMT -7
You can try lowering the idle. This might help. If you go the route of ECU Flash, I would discuss this with who flashes it or try to get a local flash tuner who can mess around with the maps for you.
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Post by clayton on Apr 10, 2019 15:42:10 GMT -7
I have no problems with my 2018. It idles smooth at 9mph and I can hold a steady throttle in mode 1 at 12mph. I do have a 2wdw ecu flash along with ftecu active tune.
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Post by mikemt on Apr 10, 2019 23:42:36 GMT -7
weird u say this, I had four Yamaha XJR's, some with heavy clutch conversions, then a GSX and now a MT, even though the sports bike clutches feel lighter my wrist gets tired in traffic, thanks for the info, thought I was going limp wristed
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 22:05:17 GMT -7
I immediately noticed what you did OP, and I've owned over 2 dozen new bikes over the decades, but mostly sport-touring bikes. And yes, the FZ is probably the worst of all. As mentioned separately, it's mostly the combination of 2 things: a very light flywheel, and an overly long 1st gear, typical of sporty bikes (along with a short top gear too). But modern lean fueling doesn't help. I don't ride in traffic, so it's a minimal issue for me. But yes, you have to slip the clutch a little more than on other bikes when taking off, and it's practically impossible (at least on a stock bike) to just lug the engine with the clutch out at anything resembling walking pace. And if you need to accelerate even moderately from those low speeds, you can feel the pulses of the engine before smooth acceleration arrives. It's the nature of the beast, so just get used to it  . |
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Post by aavmann on Apr 12, 2019 4:11:56 GMT -7
Thanks everyone for the replies. You have all shed more light and knowing that it tends to be more of a common trend vs a singular bike issue does provide a little comfort. I really didn’t fully know what I was getting myself into when I bought this bike (not having another other real riding experience other than the FJR). Sprocket changes, tunes, flashes, exhaust mods, etc etc etc were really not in my plans for this bike. Suspension may have to be changed due to my weight, and I can accept that for what it is but all the rest?! Ugh...
To be perfectly honest here....buying the FJR was one of the happiest days of my life... and has brought 84k of really enjoyable riding experiences so far without any ‘concerns’ or ‘worries’.
Knowledge is power but sometimes the more I read and hear about this bike, the more I wonder if I made the right choice..... just saying...
Thanks again everyone....
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Post by superspirit on Apr 12, 2019 5:04:45 GMT -7
Thanks everyone for the replies. You have all shed more light and knowing that it tends to be more of a common trend vs a singular bike issue does provide a little comfort. I really didn’t fully know what I was getting myself into when I bought this bike (not having another other real riding experience other than the FJR). Sprocket changes, tunes, flashes, exhaust mods, etc etc etc were really not in my plans for this bike. Suspension may have to be changed due to my weight, and I can accept that for what it is but all the rest?! Ugh... To be perfectly honest here....buying the FJR was one of the happiest days of my life... and has brought 84k of really enjoyable riding experiences so far without any ‘concerns’ or ‘worries’. Knowledge is power but sometimes the more I read and hear about this bike, the more I wonder if I made the right choice..... just saying... Thanks again everyone.... I felt the same way when I first got mine, after it beaks in, it does smooth out a little down low. My wife had the same problem with her new MT 09, I installed a throttle Tamer and it makes a huge difference. Only an $80 dollar mod, the stock grip can be reused. I'd try that before spending a lot on mods. If your still not comfortable after a couple hundred miles and a throttle Tamer, then you bought the wrong bike for you. I'd try the throttle Tamer before you decide. The difference is amazing! www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-street-throttle-tamer-tube-for-yamaha/ |
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Post by evitzee on Apr 12, 2019 9:55:21 GMT -7
Thanks everyone for the replies. You have all shed more light and knowing that it tends to be more of a common trend vs a singular bike issue does provide a little comfort. I really didn’t fully know what I was getting myself into when I bought this bike (not having another other real riding experience other than the FJR). Sprocket changes, tunes, flashes, exhaust mods, etc etc etc were really not in my plans for this bike. Suspension may have to be changed due to my weight, and I can accept that for what it is but all the rest?! Ugh... To be perfectly honest here....buying the FJR was one of the happiest days of my life... and has brought 84k of really enjoyable riding experiences so far without any ‘concerns’ or ‘worries’. Knowledge is power but sometimes the more I read and hear about this bike, the more I wonder if I made the right choice..... just saying... Thanks again everyone.... I had a first year FJR back in 2003 and it was a completely different machine; big, heavy and made for touring. The FZ/MT 10 is a sports bike with a completely different approach to how it works and feels. If you were happy with your FJR experience why didn't you get a 2019 edition that has been refined from your original model (six speed tranny, cruise control, better controls/lights, etc)? What were your expectations in going from the FJR to an MT 10? That is a key question that only you can answer. The -10 is made for sport use and not putt putting in traffic. The few times I am in traffic I don't notice any issues with its driveability. Give it some time until you get used to it, I find it to be a very easy machine to drive fast, and no real complaints in slower speed situations. You don't have to do sprocket changes, tunes, flashes or exhaust modes to fully enjoy this bike, don't feel you have to do these sorts of things.
Oh, and welcome aboard.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 10:53:31 GMT -7
Hey Avvmann, forgot to mention I also owned a 2003 FJR (manual, not the AE model), and if I still had it, I'd choose the FZ over it all day long (no offense), so you might be more of a sport-touring guy than us. Having said that, now that you have both, there's no reason why not to embrace the MT for what it is  . Also make sure you ride it in STD mode, which is much easier to have good throttle control. Other than having to slip the clutch a bit more than other bikes, and not being able to ride it with the clutch out at walking pace, it's the best bike I've owned. I was 'forced' to buy sport-touring bikes because I live in the middle of nowhere, with no twisty roads anywhere close, so had to ride hundreds of slab miles to get anywhere fun (I'll haul the bike in my truck now. He he). But I'm a sportbike rider at heart. The FZ/MT is the perfect compromise of the 2 IMO: sportbike agility with sport-touring ergos. Finally, here's my advice: Give it 1,000 miles to get used to it. If you don't, then just move on. I made that mistake several times due to not being able to test-ride most bikes, and the lack of internet to research back then. No big deal. Life's too short to hold on to something you don't enjoy. Best of luck brother. |
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Post by mikemt on Apr 12, 2019 11:26:44 GMT -7
fj/xjr has one of the best engines ever, had one for touring and this one for fun  bought the mt because the engine has soul |
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Post by aavmann on Apr 12, 2019 14:48:02 GMT -7
What a great forum. Really appreciate all the replies and comments/suggestions. I use to belong to an FJR forum back in the day and this one also reminds me of how tight-knit and thoughtful us motorcycle riders we are..😊
I will give it more time for sure. Although the FJR was and is great for me...the lure of the MT10 was just too strong. I only had videos online to work off of and deep down knew the risks in doing so.... but yes... the bike seems to be one of a kind. I’m sure the new FJR1300 would be an awesome machine as well but “different” is what drew me to the MT in the end..... that and a bit of mid life (if we are all being honest here ...😜)
I hope I can give back as much to this forum as you all have for me in already such a short time.
As always...
CHEERS!
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Post by bigweb2001 on Apr 12, 2019 15:12:45 GMT -7
I've found mode 3 is perfect, can still go bonkers but feels like a carb bike
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Post by aavmann on Apr 21, 2019 11:25:33 GMT -7
Ugh.... here again.... just got back from an hour scoot on the FJR...totally love this bike and have for 16 years straight .
I immediately got on the MT for another run. Stalled it 3 times in a row trying to get out of my driveway. What a different bike. I have lowered the FJR bars as I wanted a sportier feel and when sitting on the MT it was like what?!?! Feels like sitting in a pew in church. Power galore for sure, light as hell in comparison too.
We all have our styles and riding preferences. My heart continues to tell me that the MT may just no be for me. Found myself speeding all over the place. It's soooo fast. Yes you can change modes etc but what's the point of having a Ferrari unless you open it up?
I am glad I kept both bikes at this point and so far am using them as simply different experiences.... which they are.
Not giving up at this point.... just sitting on a wild bull day in and day out may not be what I'm looking for. The FJR is predictable wih linear power that's enough to put a smile on my face every time.... the MT is more of a "oh my.... what the hell did I buy!?" 🤪
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Post by mikemt on Apr 21, 2019 12:58:24 GMT -7
stick with it fella, still got an XJR, which I will never sell but like you I have stalled a few times, embarrassing, not good for ego but can take it, think it just takes a bit of adjusting, loving the MT, just fun fun fun
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Post by aavmann on Apr 21, 2019 13:53:39 GMT -7
Thanks mike .... I will.... buying bikes with the approval of wives is hard enough as it is... lol. Btw.... I did not have approval.... I just followed my mid life crisis and went for it and told her after.... not cool but hey!!! I have both in the garage! (Sex is over rated anyway! 😉)
Selling it now is not even in my mind...not worth the ensuing drama.... I'll keep chugging away...you know... like it does at speeds under 20km/hr... as per my OP.
Sharing is caring.....just thought I would as there may be others out there also wnondering why they bought this crazy a$$ machine as well. No ego hurt.... just honesty.
Cheers...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:56:39 GMT -7
I always had a sport-touring bike in my garage... until now. Yes, the MT-10 is not nearly as versatile as a sport-touring machine, but I wanted something more fun to ride. I was tired of the turbulence created by sport-touring windscreens; some more than others, but all had it to some degree. Yes, the MT as an only bike is definitely more compromised than a sport-touring one, but I knew what I was getting into. I don't have space for another bike, but if I did, I'd probably add yet another ST rig. But now that I have a truck to haul the bike, rather than having to ride it (I HATE slabbing on the interstates), I justified it. Need to finish my plywood platform to start the season in the TX Hill Country. Heading today to Home Depot to buy the paint (DeckOver) to finish that project. Need to order truck ramps as well.
As a side comment, I've never stalled this bike. It has the best clutch I've ever had by far, so even though the flywheel is light, it has plenty of power, and clutch has enough take-up to avoid it... but having always had hydraulic clutches, I can see how jumping from such a bike to the MT can acuse stalling. All my previous hydraulic clutches bit at the very end of lever travel. This cable-clutched bike bites sooner, so OP just have to get used to riding both bikes. If he had done the opposite, he'd have revved the FJR before the clutch bit, like a rookie. Ha ha. Even though a cable clutch needs adjustment, I MUCH prefer it now. What I most hated about hydraulic clutches is how they 'hang' for a fraction of a second before fully engaging it, like when up-shifting, for instance. And also downshifts. Both are immediate with a cable clutch, so I was able to be super smooth right off the bat with this bike.
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Post by dndfindley on May 9, 2019 21:22:42 GMT -7
Thanks everyone for the replies. You have all shed more light and knowing that it tends to be more of a common trend vs a singular bike issue does provide a little comfort. I really didn’t fully know what I was getting myself into when I bought this bike (not having another other real riding experience other than the FJR). Sprocket changes, tunes, flashes, exhaust mods, etc etc etc were really not in my plans for this bike. Suspension may have to be changed due to my weight, and I can accept that for what it is but all the rest?! Ugh... To be perfectly honest here....buying the FJR was one of the happiest days of my life... and has brought 84k of really enjoyable riding experiences so far without any ‘concerns’ or ‘worries’. Knowledge is power but sometimes the more I read and hear about this bike, the more I wonder if I made the right choice..... just saying... Thanks again everyone.... The FJR and the MT-10/FZ-10 are apples and oranges. If you look at it that way in that one is not better than the other but they both have their missions and both do them in a marvelous way then you can enjoy BOTH bikes. The MT/FZ requires rpm at all times - remember that. You will almost always have to use the clutch at low speeds. That is the nature of the beast. Don't bother doing all the mod's mentioned here. If you have to do all that then you need to get a different bike. The MT-10/FZ-10 is great just as it is off the showroom floor. I considered an FJR-1300 before I got my 2017 FZ-10. The thing that turned me away was the weight. The FZ is lighter and has more power. The FJR is otherwise a great machine according to everyone I have talked to or read about. Give your new bike a chance. Just remember - rpm:) And use that clutch. |
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Post by maadi on May 17, 2019 19:30:05 GMT -7
Considering installing a recluse clutch on my bike.
Suffered through a 16 hr ride from Virginia to Maine through rush hour traffic plus accidents in Baltimore, New York, and the entire state of Connecticut. My left hand was on fire the whole time... Anyway, using my FZ10 for touring and track days both, because it can, and that's all there is to it. Still, recluse clutch would fix all of my slow speed woes.
My husband on his 2014 FJR was absolutely fine the whole time... 😤 😂
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) so I do not have a lot of bikes to compare too...is this common/normal? Also, I can't decide what's worse....sitting waiting with the clutch in, or putting it in neutral and waiting for the traffic to move forward... ending up in a lot of first gear 'clunks'.
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. Also make sure you ride it in STD mode, which is much easier to have good throttle control. Other than having to slip the clutch a bit more than other bikes, and not being able to ride it with the clutch out at walking pace, it's the best bike I've owned. I was 'forced' to buy sport-touring bikes because I live in the middle of nowhere, with no twisty roads anywhere close, so had to ride hundreds of slab miles to get anywhere fun (I'll haul the bike in my truck now. He he). But I'm a sportbike rider at heart. The FZ/MT is the perfect compromise of the 2 IMO: sportbike agility with sport-touring ergos. Finally, here's my advice: Give it 1,000 miles to get used to it. If you don't, then just move on. I made that mistake several times due to not being able to test-ride most bikes, and the lack of internet to research back then. No big deal. Life's too short to hold on to something you don't enjoy. Best of luck brother.