bigweb2001
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Post by bigweb2001 on Oct 24, 2018 5:44:40 GMT -7
Hello all,
Just joined after searching the web for others with FZ/MT-10's with blown motors....
Me: 2017 MT-10, 5000 miles.
Last night, cruising on the freeway with my group (60-75mph) I feel a quick change in the motor sound/harmonics and then massive vibration and my oil light comes on. Was able to get her off to the side of the road, shut down leave the key in "on" so the fans stayed on an gave her a minute to cool off. I remember the temp was at 175 when I shut her off. Started her up and of course heard stuff clattering around in the motor so shut her down and called a tow.
Just that morning I had her serviced at the dealer, oil change (Yamalube synthetic etc) everything went over. So of course I am thinking oil drain plug missing or any number of things a service tech could forget. Checking the oil in the side of the road the spyglass showed her full of clean oil, no burnt smells etc. No oil leaking on the ground etc.
I will be calling the place where I had it serviced to see what they say and then calling the dealer. I am still under warranty. Only mods are an exhaust and some turn signals etc but no tune or motor mods etc...
I'll update the forums here as I hear more.
Ride safe-
Just curious, did you break in the bike by the manual, MotoMan method, or other? |
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sortasapien
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Post by sortasapien on Oct 24, 2018 22:33:09 GMT -7
Thank you for keeping us updated even though you’ve moved on to a different ride. Obviously, we’re interested in the development. Absolutely. Should hear a first update tomorrow. Will keep everyone posted. |
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sortasapien
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Post by sortasapien on Oct 24, 2018 22:34:09 GMT -7
Just curious, did you break in the bike by the manual, MotoMan method, or other?
I did the it by the manual. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 10:44:55 GMT -7
Hey, how do you compare the 1000R with the MT10? I also considered those 2 bikes, after owning multiple BMWs, but at the end, the 10 was more attractive to me overall, even without considering its huge price advantage. My main detraction from the BMW was the super vibey engine, something I didn't expect from a BMW, especially after so many years they've had to improve it. Curious of your impressions now that you rode one properly. And are you planning to keep the 10, or sell it when fixed? Thx.
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Post by achrista on Oct 25, 2018 10:58:11 GMT -7
It looks like he got an S1000RR so it's supersport v. supernaked which is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.
I watched a # of comparison videos that you've probably seen, and the general thoughts i saw were that the two advantages that you get from the S1000R are better OEM brakes, and more HP at the rear wheel without flashing.
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Post by sortasapien on Oct 25, 2018 19:56:46 GMT -7
Hey, how do you compare the 1000R with the MT10? I also considered those 2 bikes, after owning multiple BMWs, but at the end, the 10 was more attractive to me overall, even without considering its huge price advantage. My main detraction from the BMW was the super vibey engine, something I didn't expect from a BMW, especially after so many years they've had to improve it. Curious of your impressions now that you rode one properly. And are you planning to keep the 10, or sell it when fixed? Thx.
Yeah, good questions. So I got the S1000RR because chasing my buddies at 1am on the freeways at 120+ is a heck of a chore on the MT. The wind as we all know is a real thing lol. I'd say after riding both, 130 on the S1000RR feels like 80mph on the MT. The MT is, obviously more comfortable than the S1000RR (of course)....all day riding with no aches or pains. Kind of like riding a dirt bike with street tires and a bunch of torque (we all know this here). The BMW on the other hand is a riding MACHINE. Clinical, technical but not visceral. The power delivery is so much smoother and she just keeps pulling like a bull all the way to 14k. Mine has the quickshifter and auto blipper (shift assist pro as per BMW) so i dont need the clutch for upshifts or downshifts. I can fold my arms and come to damn near a stop downshifting from 6th. Razor like handling... not quite as good as a Ducati (because they are such damn skinny bikes) but an absolute beauty to ride. You literally only need a day or two riding to get 100% comfortable with the BMW. Plus I also have a 17' R1s that I bought for my girl who came off an R6 and I can tell you that I can reel her in. Lots of modded bikes out there that are quicker, but out of the box if you want an all around beast that wont embarrass you, the S1000RR is the bike.
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Post by sortasapien on Oct 25, 2018 19:58:49 GMT -7
It looks like he got an S1000RR so it's supersport v. supernaked which is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. I watched a # of comparison videos that you've probably seen, and the general thoughts i saw were that the two advantages that you get from the S1000R are better OEM brakes, and more HP at the rear wheel without flashing. Forgot about the brakes. Yes.... you WILL go over the handlebars if you grab a handful of S1000RR brakes. Like nothing I've ever experienced before. And correct, apples or oranges. I have an R1s as well (my girl's bike) and I can reel her in with the S1000RR. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 0:10:28 GMT -7
It looks like he got an S1000RR so it's supersport v. supernaked which is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. Indeed brother. I had a brainfart; thought he bought the R. Ha ha. So useless comparison indeed, but good to read anyway  . Hey Sortasapien, thanks for the comparison, even though I thought it was the R. The only comparison I'm interested between the 10 and the RR is engine smoothness. Which vibrates less? It should be the 10 by all accounts, but by how much? Thanks again. |
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Post by sortasapien on Oct 26, 2018 8:44:50 GMT -7
Hey Sortasapien, thanks for the comparison, even though I thought it was the R. The only comparison I'm interested between the 10 and the RR is engine smoothness. Which vibrates less? It should be the 10 by all accounts, but by how much? Thanks again. Apples and oranges here bud. MT is smooth all the way all gears. BMW vibrates (for me at least) north of mid RPM 2nd gear on up. Was on the freeway yesterday lane splitting (LA Traffic..CA) in third for like 30 minutes and my right hand was damn near numb. I think you'll find some other youtube reviews that do comment on this. Again not terrible and it only bothered me when it was sustained speed in certain gears in that vibration "sweet spot". But, everything else considered, a small price to pay ; ) |
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Post by achrista on Oct 26, 2018 9:09:15 GMT -7
yeah, they are simply very different tools for different purposes. if you want an off-the-shelf supersport, an R1M or an S1000RR are probably the way to go. I know california superbike school mandates RRs for their weekend-long programs, so they must think very highly of them. I can't blame you for having nothing but good things to say after getting a new bike. it's inextricable from the experience for anyone normal. Over time you may notice things you don't like (as all bike owners do, including those on MT-10s) but it's definitely a top tier machine. congrats!
I'd still pick an MT-10 over an S1000R, but this is an mt-10 forum so of course i'm biased.
I am still interested in hearing what yamaha has to say about the engine repair.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 10:10:36 GMT -7
Apples and oranges here bud. MT is smooth all the way all gears. BMW vibrates (for me at least) north of mid RPM 2nd gear on up. Nope; apples to apples since both the RR and R have basically the same engine (just like the R1 and 10). And that's exactly why I asked about just the engine. And you just gave me the answer that basically all reviews have stated, but wanted to hear it from an actual owner I can trust. He he. I'd have also chosen the MT-10 over the 1000R even at the same price, but the huge price difference made it an absolute no-brainer. Plus I got mine at just 10 grand even . BMWs used to be worth their extra expense, and I bought several, but not anymore to me. But yes, they're great machines, but you can buy many equally compelling competitors now. Last time I went to track school was on a Kawasaki. Planning on going Nov 7/8 to LV, and trying the S1000RR on the track. Wanted to go to Laguna Seca on the 14/15, but was fully booked with 10 people in the waiting list. I'm still in the waiting list for LV, but I'm the next one there. If not, hope to be in good shape for next year. |
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Post by sortasapien on Oct 26, 2018 12:49:49 GMT -7
UPDATE #1
Spoke with the dealership. Preliminary inspection shows a code "245" which is "engine stall" and is indicating the number 2 cylinder is dead and not firing. That's all he could tell me right now and their warranty guy is working with Yamaha on how to proceed. Will advise as I hear more.
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Post by blakbear on Oct 29, 2018 17:50:28 GMT -7
Quick update, spoke to the dealer, they called Yamaha who gave them the go ahead to start tearing into the bike. Will advise.
In the meantime, just bought a BMW S1000RR. 130 on the BMW feels like 85 on the MT. Gotta love that wind!
Out of curiosity, where are you located? how many miles did you have? My motor went out at 6700. i still have heard from the dealer.  |
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Post by evitzee on Oct 29, 2018 18:03:18 GMT -7
Quick update, spoke to the dealer, they called Yamaha who gave them the go ahead to start tearing into the bike. Will advise.
In the meantime, just bought a BMW S1000RR. 130 on the BMW feels like 85 on the MT. Gotta love that wind!
Out of curiosity, where are you located? how many miles did you have? My motor went out at 6700. i still have heard from the dealer. According to your prior posts the bike has been at the dealer since the 14th, and no word from them? I'd be calling them to find out what Yamaha is going to do to fix the ruined engine. |
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Post by tradmark on Oct 29, 2018 19:02:43 GMT -7
I had an issue with my 2014 ninja 1000 losing power over 8k rpm and stuttering. I took it back to the dealer and all hell broke loose with kawasaki. They flew in bigwigs and got it cleared up and fixed within a week. The service and apologies and whatnot from kawasaki was impressive and
Better by far than anything im reading here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 22:34:44 GMT -7
If neither bike was ever tuned, Yamaha should be able to quickly check the ECU and give the green light to repair the engine (I'd shoot for a new one). I'd raise hell if they took weeks without an answer. Good luck guys.
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Post by sortasapien on Oct 31, 2018 10:40:38 GMT -7
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Post by peripateticmike on Oct 31, 2018 11:41:48 GMT -7
Thanks for the update!
Ouchy! That journal looks like it got REALLY hot resulting in total bearing failure, seized to the crank and broke the rod. That bearing was starved of oil. My plausible theory that the tech who did the oil service may have run the engine accidentally without oil, which triggered the process, might just be accurate. Unless some debris somehow plugged up the oil passage to that rod bearing.
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Post by peripateticmike on Oct 31, 2018 11:43:51 GMT -7
Personally I would try working with the dealer for some kind of buy back or complete bike replacement. That's some BS
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Post by clayton on Oct 31, 2018 11:59:26 GMT -7
Personally I would try working with the dealer for some kind of buy back or complete bike replacement. That's some BS Same here. I just wouldn’t trust a shop building a complete motor from scratch. |
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