I read a letter in a recent issue of Motorcyclist magazine from a guy who said he bought an FZ-10 and thought it completely sucked. He traded it in on an FZ-07. He even said his FZ1 was better than the FZ-10. He sounded like a nut job to me, or he was just full of sh!t.
I know a lot of you are coming off 09's and 07's...... how do they compare in your opinion to the FZ-10?
My wife has an FZ-09, I think it's a great bike, but I liked my FZ1 better....and the FZ-10 is the best bike I have ever ridden by a very wide margin.
Post by tigershark on Feb 28, 2017 11:05:55 GMT -7
I came from the -09 to the -10. When I test road the -09, I also test road the -07. All three models are very similar in looks and feel.
Key differences in my opinion:
FZ-07 Gas mileage - 54 mpg Lower headlight, so it feels more like there's no front end. I was mostly seeing the road immediately in front of me. I may have been seated further forward as well to ad to the effect. Wind shear from 45 mph and above was extremely uncomfortable. Adequate power for spirited pleasure riding. Notiicable engine vibes. Typical of vertical twins.
FZ-09 Gas mileage - 44 mpg Higher headlight placement with comfortable rider position, so more normal feel and forward view. Wind shear definitely less than the -07. Quite a bit more power and torque with almost identical weight compared to -07. Much smoother crossplane three engine.
FZ-10 Gas mileage - 34 mpg Comfortable sitting position. Normal forward view. Very good wind spoiler protection up to 100 mph. 50-60 lbs heavier than the other two models. I've been really focused on a lighter weight bike, so I was concerned about the -10 being heavier. One ride totally dismissed this as it feels exactly the same as the other models regarding weight and feels almost identical to the -09 to sit on and move around manually. The wheelbase is shorter than the -09, but the same as the -07 making it easily as flickable. The frame is noticably more rigid, so control and response in and out of curves is far superior. The crossplane four is the smoothest of the three models. Zero foot vibes and only a tiny amount in the hands if you really focus on it during acceleration. Unquestionable increase in horsepower.
Beyond everything above, the FZ-10 has so many added value positives. Electronic cruise control, speed sensitive electro-mechanical steering damper, ABS brakes, slipper clutch, traction control, 100% LED lighting.
Approximately $7k versus $8k versus $13k. Each of them are a good value for what you get.
Saying the -10 sucks compared to the much better -07 is simply ignorant. To each their own opinion, but the FZ-10 is the best of the three by a very large margin. Owning one is pretty solid reinforcement.
One added note. A number of FZ1 and R1 owners have ended up with FZ-10s and mentioned how satisfied they are with the change.
Last Edit: Feb 28, 2017 11:13:04 GMT -7 by tigershark
Post by guywithfz10 on Feb 28, 2017 13:35:51 GMT -7
A friend of mine has a FZ-07 and another friend has the FZ-09 and I have the FZ-10 so I've got to ride all 3.
I'm 6'1" and the FZ-07 feels a bit too small for me but it might be because I have very long arms and legs. At over 110km/h the wind just becomes insane and the ride just becomes uncomfortable. There is also some handle bar vibration at higher speeds. You can feel that it is a budget bike because the suspension is quite soft and doesn't give you too much confidence going fast into corners. Very easy to ride at lower speeds and excellent in the city though.
I found FZ-09 to be the very uncomfortable to sit on. The engine case on the right side is extremely annoying and gets in the way whenever I'm wearing my full height boots like my Supertech R's that have a beefy front section. I didn't find the suspension to be as terrible as people have made it out to be but it may be because I'm on the lighter side. The bike is an absolute beast though with that flat torque curve.
FZ-10 is by far the best bike of the three which is why I bought it . Insane power, very comfortable riding position, full LED lighting that not even the Euros have (the only super nakeds that have LED lighting are FZ-10 and Z1000 as far as I'm aware), TCS, ABS, and all the other goodies. The LED headlight is absolutely amazing at night. Almost comparable to the BMW/Mercedes car headlights I would say. This is important because I ride a lot at night. Handle bar and foot pegs have zero vibration which is also really important to me because I go out for long rides very often. I had a 2013 Kawasaki ZX6R previously and the foot peg vibration was so bad that my feel would go numb after about 30 minutes of riding. The headlight was also terrible they might as well just not have put one on the bike. Admittedly the seat kind of sucks on the FZ-10. Its a typical hard, wide Yamaha seat and I'm kind of pissed that the R3 has a nicer feeling seat than my bike. Another thing is that I don't like how the tail light is just straight off the FZ-09. I think in the future if Yamaha does a update to the rear section, I might see if I can swap it over onto mine.
Overall I think you get what you pay for with the different tiers in the FZ line up. But I don't think you can really ever say the FZ-07 is better than the FZ-10 because the suspension and stability is just not there in the FZ-07 in comparison when you are riding hard. And you don't get the crossplane sound that is just pure eargasm
I have owned the fz-07 before I got my 10. I am 6'4 200lbs, it was a great bike but it was definitely on the smaller side. It was a great beginner bike for me. I really liked the bike overall. But I was getting tired of it an size of it. The 10 is no match to that though, the 10 is just an overall beast of a bike.
Last Edit: Feb 28, 2017 13:55:06 GMT -7 by warnock
I had an FZ1 from May 2011 to November 2016, good bike with nice fairing and wind protection, good hp but you had to rev it to pretty high rpm's to extract the power, always felt a bit porky when pushing it around the garage or in slow speed situations, but overall a pretty damn good sport bike for everyday use. Over the last year or so I was open to getting something else, if for no other reason to just rekindle a little excitement which became lacking in the FZ1. Everytime I visited my local Yamaha dealer and sat on an FZ-09 or FZ-07 it left me with a 'nah' feeling....too sparse, too bare. The FZ-09 had that bad fueling issue when it first came out, fixed in subsequent years. But for some reason never warmed to either bike, never cared for the color schemes for one thing. So I kept the FZ1.
Then last November when Yamaha released the specs and pics for the 2017 updated FZ-09 I figured THAT'S the bike for me and planned to get one about this time. I dropped into my dealer to see what colors they had ordered for the FZ-09, I wanted a red one. It happened they had a 2016 FZ-09 in black and a 2017 FZ-10 in Armor Gray on the floor, and the sales girl said they were both prepped and I was welcome to give them a spin. As we know you almost can never test ride a new bike unless it is at one of those road shows that manufacturers sometimes put on, and even then the high spec sport bikes are usually not included in the selection. I went home to get my gear while they rolled both bikes out, checked the air, fuel, etc, I started on the FZ-09 and she followed on the FZ-10. I was impressed at the lively feel of the FZ-09 triple's engine, it was eager to rev with good power delivery. I thought 'I could live with this engine and package, especially in the refreshed 2017 model'. We then swapped bikes at the local Lowe's parking lot and I followed her home. Holy smokes, the power delivery and acceleration compared to the FZ-09 was dramatic. A flick of the wrist sent you surging forward. And then you had the sound of the crossplane engine. Back at the shop she asked which one I liked, I said the FZ-09 would be a great bike and I could be very happy on it, but the FZ-10 was way more fun and engaging. The FZ-10 feels much smaller and lighter than my old FZ1 although the dimensions and weights actually aren't that much different, the FZ-10 just wears the weight much more efficiently. The next day I traded my FZ1 in on the FZ-10, that has been a little over three months ago and couldn't be happier. I like the seating position, the instrument panel, options for TC and ride mode, ABS, and I like the overall looks. It has a purposeful look to it, an attitude. I've put a new tankbag on it, a tinted windscreen and a few other things and have a blast for a days outing of 200 miles or so on fast and sweeping Texas Hill Country roads. Am very happy with the FZ-10, I'm confident I made the right decision on it vs. an FZ-09, and although I've never ridden an FZ-07 I am sure I wouldn't pick it over an FZ-09 and certainly not over the FZ-10. Price is a consideration for many riders but I am lucky that it didn't affect me, I could afford any of the bikes without too much effort. When I picked the bike up the next day the service lad (early 20's) said he really wanted the FZ-10 but just couldn't afford it so he got an FZ-07, fair enough, the price spread between the two is significant.
Last Edit: Feb 28, 2017 14:17:11 GMT -7 by evitzee
That's, by far, the ideal. Just like the cruise control and steering stabilizer. Both huge advantages over bikes without. I've used Throttlemeister and Kaoko on other bikes and they were better than nothing, but sucked compared the the factory electronic units. I'm also surprised Yamaha didn't include heated grips along with cruise. Of the two though, I'm glad they chose cruise. Aftermarket grips are a lot easier to add later, just not as clean with the independent, add on controls, as you posted.
Last Edit: Mar 1, 2017 7:44:01 GMT -7 by tigershark
Yamaha didn't add what $17,000 dollar bikes have because they would have created a $17,000 bike. Then we'd be discussing the cost of the bike because we could just buy a BMW for the same money.
I much prefer a street price of $11,500 and add what I want for what for my climate and riding style. I have put $2,800 into my $11,900 bike to get it too what I will use for me. My bike now owes me $14,700 worth of riding fun. Still less than a stock bike with MSRP discount and TT&L. I'm giving up active suspension (not a use for me), color display (nice but really?), and additional climate related options that I don't have a use for.
Now this is just me.
What makes this bike great is that for a well shopped deal you get a bike that you may or may not need to sink another $3000 into to make is customized to you. Still well under the cost of similar European bikes with comparable rides and performance.
In all reality the bike is fine stock. Any real complaints are brake and suspension related. Both are relatively cheap and easy fixes to get them to levels that most will want. The EUC flash is not necessary, but worth the less than $300.
Complaints that it needs better fuel milage or bigger tank is like saying I wish by Honda had given the Pilot the ability to tow 13,000 lbs rather than 5,000 lbs. The FZ-10 was not designed as a touring bike. It was not designed to be a super fuel efficient commuter. It was not designed to be a specific track day bike. It was not designed to have $17,000 bike special 'do dads' and still come in at $12,900.
It by no means in perfect, but if you want a naked sports bike with world competing performance it is one of the best values going right now. It needs very little in the way of upgrades to make it world class and even those upgrades aren't necessary to enjoy what it has to offer stock.
It is very easy to say Yamaha should have done this, should have done that, but at the end of the day they have to decide what the overall package needs to have to hit their target market at the price point they need to move the machinery. Heated grips for me in Central Texas are worthless, I would never use them, just like I don't use my heated steering wheel or mirror deicers in my car. So let owners in cold climes add their own heated grips. All bikes have quirky 'why did they do that' features, the FZ-10 included. Yes, the tank gauge is odd, prior bikes have had six segment countdown bars to monitor fuel use, so why they went with this setup is a mystery, but perhaps there is some reason it had to be like that. It isn't a big deal, I now know how many miles I can get on a tank and just monitor the fuel that way, I don't even look at the gauge anymore.
Yamaha has to design these bikes for worldwide markets, they can adjust a few features for a few markets but overall the bikes have to have a core set of features to make them efficient to build on an assembly line. I think their current lineup in the sports category is very strong....FZ-07, FZ-09, FZ-10, anyone in this market will find something that will suit their budget and wallet. There are some great Euro bikes, BMW, Aprilia, KTM, Triumph but for many, many customers the sales and service of these lines can be thin and tenuous. One of my requirements in any vehicle is reliability.....I want my cars and bikes to start in the morning and to not leave me stranded on the road and not to require a lot of maintenance and repairs. Where I live in semi rural Texas my Yamaha dealer is 26 miles away (1/2 hour), but I have to travel 65 miles and more into heavy city traffic to get to the Euro bike dealers and you never know how long they will have the franchise before it flips to another dealer. Our Triumph dealer was conveniently located not too far but he didn't sell enough bikes and gave it up a couple of years ago, now you have to travel another 20 miles into the dense city for the next (only) dealer. No thanks. Yamaha makes good reliable machinery, that is a main factor in why I stick with them. THEY WORK.
The FZ-10 out of the box is fantastic, everyone adds pieces of stuff to customize it to their needs. The first thing that I change are the levers, I like the full adjustability of an ASV or Pazzo lever, but these add $150+ to the cost, for many people this is not needed and they happily live with the stock levers. That is fine, but the tactile feel of a well machined lever that is adjusted to your finger reach adds a lot to the enjoyment for me. But that's just my preference so I wouldn't expect Yamaha to give us a better quality lever from the factory. I think most people will spend $1k to $3k to customize their machine to get it to the way they like it (looks and performance).....it isn't needed, but that is part of the ownership experience of any vehicle owned by an enthusiast. It is part of the hobby.
Post by thomascrown on May 2, 2017 17:01:01 GMT -7
I put 41k on my FZ-07. It is a superior city bike to the FZ-10. Very light, mobile, really short first gear to launch you extremely hard off of a red light. Tends to not build heat as quickly, so lots of stop and go is manageable.
The suspension is garbage though, and it can't cope with high speed bumps at all, while also diving horribly under braking/acceleration. It also has very little front tire feel, and feels extremely rear biased. Not very confidence inspiring on the front tire, and slightly nervous at high speeds. Also, while people talk crap about the FZ-10's brakes, the FZ-07's brakes are easily 2x as bad. Slightly buzzy on the freeway too. Lots of engine braking, and no slipper clutch means you can back it into corners, and just generally be an ass when riding. But it also means you have to be more cognizant in less than ideal weather. Double edged sword.
It just depends on what you want out of your bike. For me, the 7k FZ-07 is actually a 10k bike, after you fix the suspension and brakes.
The FZ-10 needs nothing. I would be perfectly satisfied riding it completely stock.
Post by semprenissart on Jun 11, 2019 12:25:18 GMT -7
A few years ago, I bought a brand new 2015 FZ-07. When Yamaha announced the 2nd gen FZ-09 I bought a brand new 2017 FZ-09. It's in a completely different league than the FZ-07. I love the oem quickshifter, slipper clutch, ABS, TCS, etc... but it's really missing a cruise control. I have the Kaoko throttle lock but it's nowhere near as good as an electronic cruise control. I also added a steering damper
I test rode the FZ-10 at one of the Yamaha events and really liked it. Power wise I feel like it's not a whole lot more than the FZ-09 but still could tell a difference (or at least a stock FZ-10 vs my modded FZ-09)
I'm definitely planning on getting an FZ-10 in the near future. I'm hoping to see an updated version of the current FZ10 for next year. Maybe with a TFT display like the FZ10 SP and if there could be an SP version that would be even better as I've been enjoying track days with the FZ-09
Came off a FZ-07. They are two different bikes for sure. The FZ-07 is far more fun for riding in cities, lower speed twisties and just fooling around on.
The 10 requires higher speeds to really get into its element, but longer distances, outside of cities and general performance riding is far supperior.
If youve ridden bicycles youll kind of get it, if i compare the 07 with a BMX and the 10 with a 10 speed.
I miss my 07 in traffic, it is a much more agile bike when filtering lanes and just doing whatever you want, but since i do other things than commute heavy traffic with my motorcycle (im a sailor, so i basically never have a schedule whatsoever when im off shift), the 10 is definitely for me.
Oh, also the 07 is more of a "suoermoto" if that makes sense. You dont worry so much about dropping it (so low, ite easy to recover), find a trail in the woods? Why the hell not, lets go see if i can ride it. Gravel road? Lets let the back end loose in a turn. Lets see how far i can spin the rear wheel kicking gravel around in a rolling "burnout". Empty parking lot with stuff to build a ramp out of? Why the hell not.
The 10 isnt any of that. It demands a lot more respect than the 07, not as much of a "bring out the child in you" bike, its a serious machine.