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Post by tigershark on Feb 25, 2017 15:20:35 GMT -7
Looking into other bikes over the years, I've seen my share of major issues being discussed on user forums. Maybe that's what they're wanting to keep hidden. You rarely see negative comments on big name review sites. I may be wrong, but I believe they play nice to keep getting products to review. Yamaha would probably prefer to have potential buyers getting their info there than on user forums. I think we tend to be harder on the products than they deserve.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 4:29:46 GMT -7
Here ya go. Performance bike feels a well set up base model is just as good. I love making mine my own.  |
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Post by 0002s on Feb 26, 2017 9:08:46 GMT -7
Having not ridden it yet, I'll reserve final judgment until we get an indepth review. But that being said the suspension being active doesn't make up for a suspension that isn't sprung right for riders over 170 lbs in gear. I'm interested too see if it is sprung right. If it's not then it's going to be more expensive to correct than what I've done to my bike to get the Penske setup. The Penske set up is PERFECT. I can't say enough about it and how it's confidence enspiring ride makes the bike more enjoyable. While I'm not Rossi, I feel like it when I ride no matter the speed. The bike is connected to me. (or vise versa)
I am also interested to see what their ECU reprogramming does. If it's the same motor, then we will get the same as the current tunes. It's it more like the R1 motor there may be more power, but at the expense of lower end grunt.
The dash is a neat feature, but would be 100% price dependent. Had I had the chance to purchase my bike with the dash for a few hundred more I'd have opted for it. If it was a $1500 option I would have passed.
I'd like to see Yamaha offer a full QS system on the bike. That's a feature that is usable by every rider no matter what thier abilities and a gas gauge that is accurate until empty.
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Post by guywithfz10 on Feb 26, 2017 12:02:08 GMT -7
Agreed. The only thing I want from the SP is the colored TFT display. It was almost a deal breaker for my on the FZ-10 when I saw that Yamaha didn't put the TFT display on it. Do you think they would be able to make that as like an after market part for our FZ10? I dont know how that'd work. The display might be adaptable on to the regular FZ-10? I was watching some videos and the MT-10 SP dash doesn't display any of the stuff like braking meter or the shift in mass on the dash. I'm being hopeful  |
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Post by slv on Feb 26, 2017 13:05:07 GMT -7
Obviously I haven't ridden the SP. I did have a 2014 BMW R1200GS with Ohlins electronic suspension. Keep in mind that this bike had a telelever front suspension that uses a full blown shock absorber. This is hard to duplicate with telescoping front suspension.
The ESC concept is very very good for street riding, touring and casual sport riding. Scroll to the setting and forget about it.
When pushed hard, I quickly found that adjustment is necessary . Once dialed in, it worked really well in that environment. What I didn't expect was the harshness the adjustments made in the touring mode. I put it back to stock settings and left it alone.
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Post by tigershark on Feb 26, 2017 18:50:44 GMT -7
I test rode an S1000R with dynamic suspenders and it felt stiff and rough no matter what surface I was on. Before the ride, I set it to the softest modes and settings possible and it was rough. When I got back, the saleaman said it was designed for the track, built off an S1000RR and it would be stiff no matter what the settings. That's not how BMW described it. They said it would adapt in microseconds to any surface in comliance with the riding style selected. So, is that what we can expect from the SP?
The -10 is relatively light with 55" WB, 5" of suspension travel, stiff chassis. Not exactly designed for rough roads.
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Post by tradmark on Feb 27, 2017 11:09:24 GMT -7
I am an owner of an fz10. I have 3 yamahaa. 1) 2013 vmax 2) fjr1300 and the fz10 for my yammy road bikes. I truly wish yamaha watched this and sites like it. They limited vmax sales before they even sold one by nannying it. U dont speed limit or power limit in early gears on a bike in the running for most powerful/ quickest bike in the world. Dumbest idea ever!! Ive since flashed and fixed mine since purchase, but i damn sure was positive i could reasonably easily remedy yammies fails on that bike. The vmax is unique so for what i wanted there was no real other choice. With the fz10 there is several and i woulda gone a different direction had i not put money down on one after reading euro reviews. I was pissed watching the results of cycleworld's dyno and proving yamaha nannied me again!!!!!! Wtf. I almost asked for my money back and went and. Ought a tuono. Only the electric cruise kept me on board. Im glad i stayed. I love the bike!! Im getting the 2wd flash and likely just a slipon silencer but no one in the general public even knows these fixes exist. Most that want a liter naked bike wont stick around for "US" tuning. Yamaha does itself a huge disservice by doing this. The vmax i have has been transformed into the most pissed off aggressive angry badass bike but it didnt come that way. Yamaha, you kill of your own sales. Jeebus, even the fz09 is neutered.
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Post by Cruizin on Feb 27, 2017 13:23:39 GMT -7
I am an owner of an fz10. I have 3 yamahaa. 1) 2013 vmax 2) fjr1300 and the fz10 for my yammy road bikes. I truly wish yamaha watched this and sites like it. They limited vmax sales before they even sold one by nannying it. U dont speed limit or power limit in early gears on a bike in the running for most powerful/ quickest bike in the world. Dumbest idea ever!! Ive since flashed and fixed mine since purchase, but i damn sure was positive i could reasonably easily remedy yammies fails on that bike. The vmax is unique so for what i wanted there was no real other choice. With the fz10 there is several and i woulda gone a different direction had i not put money down on one after reading euro reviews. I was pissed watching the results of cycleworld's dyno and proving yamaha nannied me again!!!!!! Wtf. I almost asked for my money back and went and. Ought a tuono. Only the electric cruise kept me on board. Im glad i stayed. I love the bike!! Im getting the 2wd flash and likely just a slipon silencer but no one in the general public even knows these fixes exist. Most that want a liter naked bike wont stick around for "US" tuning. Yamaha does itself a huge disservice by doing this. The vmax i have has been transformed into the most pissed off aggressive angry badass bike but it didnt come that way. Yamaha, you kill off your own sales. Jeebus, even the fz09 is neutered. the V-max has always been on my "interested" list. It's about the closest thing to a cruiser that I would want to own, lol. I have often wondered what games the US govt plays with bike importers. they play major protection for us car makers. I dig toyota Tacoma's but I have always rather wanted a Hilux. For like forver, Totyta has been giving the world a small diesel Tacoma that would be awesome to own. Consensus among industry peeps the US makes it not financially viable to go thru the US hoops to import it here. I like a small 4x4 with relatively low gearing to transport my dirtbikes as close to the mountain as possible. US trucks are often too big and don't last as long. If it was diesel, it would be perfecto cause I could pull more. I suspect that the US puts more than just emissions, maybe rather purposely adding more than needed emmisions to ruin mpg and power for untold reason. I'm 51 and after years of speculation and thought, I wouldn't dismiss any protectionisim theory's within the motorcycle industry towards certain asian brands. Or maybe it's more of an insurance or liability thing? Either way it ucks, seeing our bikes being sometimes 20 hp down from euro. But at least we have a Vendor who is about the best in same week return mail in ECU flashing. Send it in Monday, be riding again Thurs or Fri. |
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Post by Cruizin on Feb 27, 2017 13:31:57 GMT -7
I will add here the fact that I'm waiting for the SP and do not own an fz-10 yet. I want that suspension, holy Jesus I really freakin want that suspension. Yeah, it's gonna cost.
To me, it's my last sportbike. I'm 51 and my kids will take my SP from me when I'm 86 (hopefully), 110lbs wet and going out of my mind and riding wheelies in my boxers and wrinkles. As bad ass as the SP is, it will be even better after it gets the cruizin treatment.
But what crazy games is our govt making Yamaha play, to get the bike US approved?
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Post by guywithfz10 on Feb 27, 2017 13:45:50 GMT -7
I wonder how much it will cost. The FZ-10 is $15500 CAD and I think SP will cost around $18500-$19000 which would be insane because thats in 1000cc superbike territory. Can just get a S1000RR at that point because that bike is amazingly comfortable for how insanely fast it is.
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Post by tradmark on Feb 27, 2017 17:45:17 GMT -7
The vmax isnt a cruiser imho. Its a naked standard albeit with a long wheelbase. When u do some mildy basic mods that essentially unleash whats been bottled up stock its been run to a 9.5 1/4 mile. With exhaust 9.2. It handles better than it has any right too. The fz10 is my lighter take in the toy hauler bike but busting down back roads and riding the twisted sisters in the hill country the vmax is my bike. If that potential was not something that took such effort to access it woulda sold a ton more. Im afraid yamaha did the same with the fz10. I lnow for sure what they bottled in the max was due to yammies lawyers and not emissions. Not sure about the fz10.
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Post by Cruizin on Feb 27, 2017 20:47:44 GMT -7
The vmax isnt a cruiser imho. Its a naked standard albeit with a long wheelbase. When u do some mildy basic mods that essentially unleash whats been bottled up stock its been run to a 9.5 1/4 mile. With exhaust 9.2. It handles better than it has any right too. The fz10 is my lighter take in the toy hauler bike but busting down back roads and riding the twisted sisters in the hill country the vmax is my bike. If that potential was not something that took such effort to access it woulda sold a ton more. Im afraid yamaha did the same with the fz10. I lnow for sure what they bottled in the max was due to yammies lawyers and not emissions. Not sure about the fz10. I said its the closest thing to a cruiser I will own. I didnt say its a cruiser. It's the more upright seating position that I like. Same reason I had a nice fz-09 for couple years |
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Post by tradmark on Feb 27, 2017 22:07:52 GMT -7
Didnt mean to imply ya thought it was a cruiser. I wasnt sure how familiar you are with them.👍
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Post by iwasatoad on Jun 20, 2018 1:57:11 GMT -7
old thread but things i would of payed an extra 2000 USD to have from factory after owning mine for a year come next week.
only though of this as looking at what i have sunk into mine so far.
TFT Display
Quick Shifter
Taller Gears. another 1k-1500 rpm spread same sprocket set up though.
and sadly better headlamp material seems a lot as well as me have cracked headlights not caused from rocks. ( cracked inside not out )
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Post by achrista on Jun 26, 2018 8:43:10 GMT -7
old thread but things i would of payed an extra 2000 USD to have from factory after owning mine for a year come next week. only though of this as looking at what i have sunk into mine so far. TFT Display Quick Shifter Taller Gears. another 1k-1500 rpm spread same sprocket set up though. and sadly better headlamp material seems a lot as well as me have cracked headlights not caused from rocks. ( cracked inside not out ) You can run the tft display without the ohlins suspension? Is it plug and play? |
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Post by eyeofmaat on Jun 27, 2018 15:30:54 GMT -7
I have the SP model here in Australia. I haven't ridden much bikes in the past, but I enjoy the electronic suspension. I only rode the standard for about an hour.
I have set the sag manually, and the rest is all updated in the dash. It seems to have a very wide range of adjustment, from very soft to very hard.
I am 115kg (250pounds) and was able to get the sag in spec.
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Post by scuba77 on Jun 27, 2018 18:27:14 GMT -7
Why is USA lagging behind with FZ-10/MT-10 releases? Europe has the MT-10 SP available right now, and their 2017 MT-10 will be coming standard with quick-shifter and a small re-tuning. I know I would personally like to get the MT-10 SP, but there has been 0 news in regards to it coming to the USA. Any thoughts? Go to Europe or Asia, bikes/scooters are everywhere and they are used as families only daily transportation.
Here in the States bikes are mostly bought for fun or weekend fun, yes many on the forums do commute but probably also have a cage just in case.
Also, the younger crowd just isn't as interested in even getting a drivers license anymore, no less a scary MC endorsement. Lastly, at least down here in the south, cruisers rule the roads.
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Post by achrista on Jun 28, 2018 4:57:46 GMT -7
I'm not well-versed on this sort of stuff and it may have been asked on this forum before.
For those of us in the US, would it be possible to swap in an ohlins/TFT and effectively have an SP model? I know suspension upgrades, particularly the rear shock, are a popular mod.
If it's possible, how much would it cost? And as I asked above, can you put in a TFT display without modifying the suspension? I feel like that would break things
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Post by guywithfz10 on Jun 28, 2018 10:29:29 GMT -7
I doubt you can just get the TFT display and put it on. It will need a new ECU, and the ohlins supsension with the IMU.
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