2wheeledprivilege
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Post by 2wheeledprivilege on Mar 24, 2024 6:58:38 GMT -7
I had a few questions regarding the flash service from 2wdw and after a response form Nate, I was informed that they no longer offer the forum member discounts.
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Post by mindcrime79 on Mar 24, 2024 9:40:19 GMT -7
Plenty of other places. Don't lose sleep over $5.
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2wheeledprivilege
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Post by 2wheeledprivilege on Mar 24, 2024 9:44:53 GMT -7
$5 no sleep lost but $50 was a little disappointing. However its not a deal breaker, vcyclenut seems to have a decent tune but I will likely still go with 2wdw.
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travis
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Post by travis on Mar 24, 2024 9:54:47 GMT -7
After reading a whole bunch of positive messages regarding 2wdw flashes on MT-10s, I went with them about a year ago with a mail-in flash. Ended up with razor sharp dangerous throttle response for some reason, and long story short was hung out to dry after never receiving a call back after trying to work out the situation over the phone a couple times. I included a paper in the box which had 3 or 4 specific questions, and they tossed it I guess and never answered any of them. Annoyed, I abandoned ship on 2wdw, assuming I'd just be in for more frustration.
Sent the ECU to Vcyclenut, and had more (different) problems. Bogging, down on power, strange stuff. We sent it back and forth between WA and CA probably 4 times, and ended up back with a factory flash and a refund. He tried his best to figure out what was going on and for that I am grateful.
Talked with Nick at Stoltec Moto who sells a Flash Tune kit which includes a tune that he developed with 2WDW a few years back, and I was finally able to get it flashed with a good feeling tune. The Flash Tune software itself is buggy when trying to make fine adjustments on the low-end of the throttle table, and seems to suffer from some kind of strange value rounding bug where numbers change unpredictably when clicking in fields. Seems to be isolated to Yamaha data tables, so I'm thinking there's some data translation happening internally (base10 <> base16 type of thing) which malfunctions somehow... So, it's not perfect either but all things considered it was the only route that worked for my bike. Not sure why it was/is such a problem child.
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skmt
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Post by skmt on Mar 25, 2024 15:24:09 GMT -7
After reading a whole bunch of positive messages regarding 2wdw flashes on MT-10s, I went with them about a year ago with a mail-in flash. Ended up with razor sharp dangerous throttle response for some reason, and long story short was hung out to dry after never receiving a call back after trying to work out the situation over the phone a couple times. I included a paper in the box which had 3 or 4 specific questions, and they tossed it I guess and never answered any of them. Annoyed, I abandoned ship on 2wdw, assuming I'd just be in for more frustration. Sent the ECU to Vcyclenut, and had more (different) problems. Bogging, down on power, strange stuff. We sent it back and forth between WA and CA probably 4 times, and ended up back with a factory flash and a refund. He tried his best to figure out what was going on and for that I am grateful. Talked with Nick at Stoltec Moto who sells a Flash Tune kit which includes a tune that he developed with 2WDW a few years back, and I was finally able to get it flashed with a good feeling tune. The Flash Tune software itself is buggy when trying to make fine adjustments on the low-end of the throttle table, and seems to suffer from some kind of strange value rounding bug where numbers change unpredictably when clicking in fields. Seems to be isolated to Yamaha data tables, so I'm thinking there's some data translation happening internally (base10 <> base16 type of thing) which malfunctions somehow... So, it's not perfect either but all things considered it was the only route that worked for my bike. Not sure why it was/is such a problem child. Was Vcyclenut's tune the Woolich or Ftech?
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travis
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Post by travis on Mar 25, 2024 15:38:03 GMT -7
Skmt, we tried both. My ECU wasn't having either from him, apparently.
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skmt
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Post by skmt on Mar 25, 2024 15:45:14 GMT -7
Skmt, we tried both. My ECU wasn't having either from him, apparently. Interesting, I had similar results with 2WDW and have since had David flash my ECU. Haven't had a chance to ride it yet but hoping it solves all the issues I had with the 2WDW tune. David was very easy to work with. I have used him in the past on my FZ-09 and always answers all questions thrown back at him.
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travis
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Post by travis on Mar 25, 2024 17:00:05 GMT -7
David's awesome. He really went above and beyond to try and get it going for me, and to get a full refund after all his efforts and him absorbing a bunch of shipping costs says a lot about his character. My 2014 fz09 got a flash from him and it is 100% good. Skmt, let me know how your situation turns out. I'm curious... Stoltec moto, also good people if you need to go that route. Got myself a Penske shock, tune & flash interface, fork valve for the 09 from him. Would not hesitate to recommend either David or Nick to anybody. If you do end up with issues w/David's tune you might mention Travis' MT-10 ordeal, which he will likely remember.
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Post by mt10orc on Mar 26, 2024 21:48:33 GMT -7
That sucks that they (2WDW) didn’t work with you on fixing the problem. Wonder if they are getting too big for their britches? What gen bike you have?
I know my 2020 flash from them is perfect and they answered all my questions though I did it via email.
I need to flash my MT-07 and thinking I’ll go with VCyclenut flash.
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northsouth
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Post by northsouth on Mar 27, 2024 12:16:16 GMT -7
I had 2wdw flash my 23’ MT07 and it is terrific. No problems and it runs Sooo much better.
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Post by willl84 on Mar 28, 2024 5:50:49 GMT -7
That sucks that they (2WDW) didn’t work with you on fixing the problem. Wonder if they are getting too big for their britches? What gen bike you have? I know my 2020 flash from them is perfect and they answered all my questions though I did it via email. I need to flash my MT-07 and thinking I’ll go with VCyclenut flash. Yea that's very unlike them honestly. I sold my old FTECU blipper in one of the FB groups and Nate offered the guy $20 off the code to unlock it. Then he installed it and the upshift wouldn't' work, because of fucking course. It worked perfectly when I pulled it off my bike last and it just sat on my toolbox all winter. Nate was great in helping both of us out and hooked the guy up with a new FTECU sensor and stuff seeing he already paid for the flash code to unlock it. Now I'm stuck with a busted FTECU sensor and I'll never deal with that POS company again. Out $400 for the kit (bought from Stoltec along with my R1 master kit and lines). Fuck FTECU.
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Post by mt10orc on Mar 28, 2024 18:06:30 GMT -7
I had 2wdw flash my 23’ MT07 and it is terrific. No problems and it runs Sooo much better. Good to know. Decisions, decisions. Can you elaborate on what you noticed and what mods you did on your 7. I have the LV full exhaust upgrade on my bike. Get a few light pops on decel at the lower RPM.
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Post by mt10orc on Mar 28, 2024 18:11:28 GMT -7
Fuck FTECU.[ Yeah fuck FTECU
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Post by mt10orc on Mar 28, 2024 18:15:15 GMT -7
Fuck FTECU. Yeah fuck FTECU, them dbags screwed u for months
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travis
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Post by travis on Mar 29, 2024 7:11:12 GMT -7
I haven't lowered my opinion to Fuck FTECU just yet but after TRYING to get somewhere with them regarding the Tuning Suite bug where simply selecting fields will change them, not display the change on screen, and essentially corrupt the values on your table... I CAN say it was a frustrating process trying to communicate with them. Sent pictures, videos of the bug in action, a list of computers and OSes that I tested it on, and still they claim they couldn't replicate the issue. Their follow up messages indicated they did not watch the video I took clearly displaying the problem, nor did they read the details described. Other users on their forum also experienced the issue so I am definitely not alone. Can't replicate, my ass. Too difficult and costly to fix is more like it.
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Post by willl84 on Mar 29, 2024 9:28:33 GMT -7
Can't replicate, my ass. Too difficult and costly to fix is more like it. Yep. My blipper never worked properly from day 1. First issue was they sent the euro harness instead of the USA harness. They barely helped, told me to check the wiring, etc etc. Took me sending them a screenshot of a FB convo with Nate at 2WDW saying I had the wrong harness and me begging them to let me try the other harness for them to begrudgingly send me the correct harness. Shipped the old one back on my dime as well. Second issue was the blipper would double-blip on occasion - probably 25-30% of the time. Very annoying and borderline dangerous. Sent the original sensor back (again at my cost) for them to say "That's the old style, we'll send the new one". New one did the same thing. Spent way too much time troubleshooting with them. Sent this sensor back (on my dime, of course) and they sent me another. SAME PROBLEM. Spent MONTHS over emails with them. They had me check the voltages of each gear from the gear position sensor. Then they wanted the voltages with tension on the lever both up and down in each gear. Sent them all that info."Everything is good" they said. "No idea what's going on" they said. All while REFUSING to refund me for it. Now mind you this took so long because they would constantly go 4-6 WEEKS without responding to me. Then I'd get responses for a day or two then nothing for several more weeks despite me emailing them weekly for an update. I didn't want to call at this point as I wanted everything in writing. Excuses like "our guy quit, we just moved offices, etc etc". At this point Stoltec wouldn't take it back either (it had been nearly at year so I don't fault them for that). I even filed a BBB complaint. I included all the details including a PDF of the entire months-long email chain(s). They didn't even bother to respond. FTECU also has forums, even an FZ/MT specific sub forum. That you can't post in. Plenty of other people are posting there though. I can login but can't find where to post anywhere. Makes no sense. I emailed about seeing if I needed some kind of verification or something and never got a response about that (surprise surprise). Even Nate at 2WDW was in utter disbelief at their level of incompetence. I bought a never-installed Translogic kit from someone on here and installed that. Boom. Works perfectly. No double-blipping. I had an issue where the upshift sensor stopped working on me. They replaced the sensor free of charge even though I didn't buy it new. THAT is customer service. I pulled the FTECU when I installed the Translogic. Put it back in when I sent my TL sensor back. Used it until the end of the season (didn't feel like swapping it back) which was probably November-ish. Pulled it over the winter and put it on the top shelf of my toolbox. There it sat until I sold it on one of the FB groups. Only got a measly $100 for it. Nate offered $20 off the $200 code card to enable the blipper in the ECU. Buy installs it and the blip works but not the QS. What. The. Fuck. he checked it and got no connection on the QS side. I refunded him plus spent another $10 on a return shipping label for him. Now I have a broken FTECU blipper sensor and I'm out well over the $400 purchase price including all the return shipping on my dime, forget about time I have spent checking voltages, etc. Fuck FTECU. Fuck them with a serrated rusty silo. The most useless customer service I've ever encountered. Spend your money with a company that doesn't suck.
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wintersdark
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Post by wintersdark on Apr 2, 2024 18:58:26 GMT -7
I had mine flashed by 2WDW. No forum discount of course, and right when I went to send it, they increased their prices then added the black friday discount so the resultant price ended up being largely the same as the previous price, a little less but just a little. Whatever. I'm vaguely curious if they dropped the base price after the black friday discount or not, but frankly, I don't really care.
Anyways.
Once I reinstalled the ECU, my bike wouldn't start (2023 SP), just ran the starter with the occassional chuff but wouldn't fire. Had to ship it back down, they reflashed it, and it worked fine after that. Was never told what the deal was the first time around, and in the end the extra shipping cost me a wonderful extra $120 over the normal cost+first shipping (I'm in Canada), but they worked with me the whole time and now the bike's running extremely well - the flash is outstanding.
So, I do think they've hit a certain size where they don't really need to "try" anymore, if you get what I mean, but they still seem to run a pretty tight ship and the flash *IS* everything that it's made out to be.
I'm curious, reading this thread and others, if there's some issue with how the flashes work on the MT10 that's not entirely reliable. Seems some people they just work fine, other people there's all sorts of problems, and it doesn't seem to be limited to any particular company.
Also: FTECU. I do not like them. Dealt with them a bunch with my MT07 a few years ago, it was kind of a PITA and they where really not helpful whatsoever. Their software is shit, their support is worse. While I accept that 2WDW is probably using their hardware to do the flashing, I won't deal with FTECU myself or buy any of their equipment again.
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Post by fzsea on Apr 4, 2024 8:52:09 GMT -7
I’m certainly not going to opine about the specifics, but I worked with Nels (2wdw) at the start with my Fz09 some 10 years. I’ve conversed with Vcycle a few times as well. I’ve met Nate, since they’re close to home and he was very friendly and helpful. Never had any issues, but I think geography may have played a helping hand. I think they flashed four of my bikes. I also have had a casual relationship with Nick over the years as well. Everyone seemed earnest and eager to do whatever they could to solve any problems. Hope things work out for everyone. Cheers.
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