squiresca
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Post by squiresca on Oct 9, 2023 6:51:15 GMT -7
The bike has plenty of poke obviously, especially with a pipe, filter and proper ECU flash and tune. But was thinking that I will never see 160+ on this thing, even on track. Just doesn't have the aero to get to that speed much, unless you have a long runway and like to be ripped apart by the wind...
So I figured that -1 up front would make it even more mental in the range where I spend most of my time, and at least by doing -1 up front, that allows me to move the rear wheel back a tad, which will help offset things a bit with regards to keeping the front end down...
Anyone made that change, and if so, how do you like it? For reference, I am almost 6'4" and 245lbs plus gear... So on a bike like this, I have no place to hide from the wind. haha
I ran the calcs on gearing commander and it seems to make sense to do on paper, but I know that what looks good on paper may or may not translate to the real world...
I usually try to gear my bikes so that if I was able to hit the rev limiter in 6th, what is the absolute fastest I am ever even remotely likely to go? And I gear for that. I also have a 2022 ZX14R flashed and tuned, and after fitting a taller 55 profile tire on the back, that raises my theoretical top speed to 211mph. Which I would never and could never hit... So I am doing a -1 front and +1 rear on that bike, to give it even more grunt down low, while limiting my theoretical top speed to "only" 193mph...
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Post by RedAndBlack on Oct 9, 2023 7:21:34 GMT -7
I think given what you're trying to achieve, it's a good starting point. And you can always go up a tooth or two in the rear if you need, if it's too drastic of a change. But were most certainly talking about a 5% change in top speed, if that while achieving probably similar gain on torque, or at least lower end power.
I gotta admit, I've never messed with gearing, just pickup what I hear from my racer buddies when we go to the track. So I'm very novice when it comes to gearing so take my advice for what it's worth.
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squiresca
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Post by squiresca on Oct 9, 2023 7:33:14 GMT -7
I just notice that on my MT-10, it has tons of power, but it does like the clutch slipped a bit at launch and under 25mph... after that it has enough revs that it doesn't feel like its lugging the motor... Many of my Ducati's were like that... pulled like a freight train, but hating being under 3500rpm...
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wintersdark
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Post by wintersdark on Oct 9, 2023 9:37:42 GMT -7
A warning:
On the MT09 Tracer, going a front sprocket tooth is too much of a gearing change for the cruise control to continue working. There, +/-2 on the rear is the most you can do before cruise control will randomly shut off.
I would expect this to be the same on the MT10, having the same dash/CC setup, but have not tried personally.
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squiresca
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Post by squiresca on Oct 9, 2023 9:46:55 GMT -7
A warning: On the MT09 Tracer, going a front sprocket tooth is too much of a gearing change for the cruise control to continue working. There, +/-2 on the rear is the most you can do before cruise control will randomly shut off. I would expect this to be the same on the MT10, having the same dash/CC setup, but have not tried personally. Hmmm, that is something that I had not considered. Guess I will have to test and see what happens. I don't really use Cruise Control much, bit I don't want it to impact other things like traction control, slide or wheelie control... I had a Tracer 9GT a 2022... and I think I did the -1 front sprocket and didn't have any issues... |
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Post by wintersdark on Oct 9, 2023 12:25:50 GMT -7
Hmmm, that is something that I had not considered. Guess I will have to test and see what happens. I don't really use Cruise Control much, bit I don't want it to impact other things like traction control, slide or wheelie control... I had a Tracer 9GT a 2022... and I think I did the -1 front sprocket and didn't have any issues... Mine was a 2019 Tracer 900GT (2nd gen) for what that's worth, and it's happened that way on every 2nd gen I know of. Maybe it works differently in more recent setups, or maybe your particular bike was just more tolerant, either way just something to be aware of. Personally, I love CC - it's nice to give the hands a break on longer rides without needing a janky throttle lock! But to each their own, just be aware of the risk. |
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Post by vulcanator on Oct 16, 2023 13:20:56 GMT -7
If you're going to gear down, you can achieve that by putting a 43 tooth rear sprocket from the 2019 model. That would replicate the gearing of the 2016-2021 models. I have a 2019 model and I geared it up to match the 2022 model after my cat delete/ECU flash/AIS removal and it easily tops 160. The fact you're a larger lad has a bearing on your top end performance. Good luck with your plan.
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Post by squiresca on Oct 16, 2023 13:29:48 GMT -7
If you're going to gear down, you can achieve that by putting a 43 tooth rear sprocket from the 2019 model. That would replicate the gearing of the 2016-2021 models. I have a 2019 model and I geared it up to match the 2022 model after my cat delete/ECU flash/AIS removal and it easily tops 160. The fact you're a larger lad has a bearing on your top end performance. Good luck with your plan. I did -1 on the front sprocket and love it. Little more pep, really fun to ride and it didn't impact the cruise control at all, everything works fine... I regeared two of my bikes this weekend, but the latter half covers how the MT-10 is riding... |
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Post by 2wheeledprivilege on Oct 16, 2023 18:32:39 GMT -7
If you're going to gear down, you can achieve that by putting a 43 tooth rear sprocket from the 2019 model. That would replicate the gearing of the 2016-2021 models. I have a 2019 model and I geared it up to match the 2022 model after my cat delete/ECU flash/AIS removal and it easily tops 160. The fact you're a larger lad has a bearing on your top end performance. Good luck with your plan. I did -1 on the front sprocket and love it. Little more pep, really fun to ride and it didn't impact the cruise control at all, everything works fine... I regeared two of my bikes this weekend, but the latter half covers how the MT-10 is riding... I was just about to suggest this video, not realizing he was a member of the board....DOH!! |
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Post by wintersdark on Oct 22, 2023 14:29:13 GMT -7
I just notice that on my MT-10, it has tons of power, but it does like the clutch slipped a bit at launch and under 25mph... after that it has enough revs that it doesn't feel like its lugging the motor... Many of my Ducati's were like that... pulled like a freight train, but hating being under 3500rpm... I posted in another thread about it, but when the MT10 is below 6000rpms in first/second, you're only getting at MOST 34% throttle, when it's wide open. The electronic throttle valve mapping stock is *extremely* limited at low RPM. Probably a mix of safety, noise, and emissions restrictions. Most flashes remove these limitations an map the throttle 1:1 to the throttle position regardless of rpm. |
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Post by squiresca on Oct 22, 2023 14:59:04 GMT -7
I just notice that on my MT-10, it has tons of power, but it does like the clutch slipped a bit at launch and under 25mph... after that it has enough revs that it doesn't feel like its lugging the motor... Many of my Ducati's were like that... pulled like a freight train, but hating being under 3500rpm... I posted in another thread about it, but when the MT10 is below 6000rpms in first/second, you're only getting at MOST 34% throttle, when it's wide open. The electronic throttle valve mapping stock is *extremely* limited at low RPM. Probably a mix of safety, noise, and emissions restrictions. Most flashes remove these limitations an map the throttle 1:1 to the throttle position regardless of rpm. Pretty sure that my flash and tune by Moore Mafia did all that stuff. I do that all myself on my Triumphs, with TuneECU... But I don't have Woolich so I take it to Chris and let him work his manage... |
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