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Post by tigershark on Dec 1, 2016 8:28:48 GMT -7
I installed EBC HH Sintered front and rear pads on mine. They work fantastic. Everyone doing them on the MT-10 forum were focused pretty much on front only. I started there which was a big improvement, but still was not happy with the rear. I was pressing the pedal all the way down to feel any substantial response. After I replaced them, I was activitating the ABS by the time I did the third rapid slow down from 70 to 30 mph while bedding them in. I highly recommend replacing both front and rear pads. The feel is a huge improvement. When purchasing pads, there will be several choices. The three main types are Sintered HH, Racing and Organic. Unless you're racing or spend most of your time on tracks, you don't need racing pads. Opinions vary between the other two. Some people believe the sintered pads will damage the discs. Unless you ride and brake really hard, any damage is highly unlikely. It is also very unlikely that calipers overheat and fail prematurely. You may hear this because organic pads tend to insulate causing most of the heat to transfer to the disc, whereas sintered being metallic will conduct more heat back to the caliper body. The quality of our calipers are more than capable of handling any heat transfer into them. Some owners actually use sintered up front and organic on the rear. The reason eludes me. Front and rear brakes are equally important and equally robust. My personal opinion is make both the front and rear as functionally effective as possible, so I have sintered HH installed on all three calipers. They feel great and work great. Regarding the change out procedure, it's literally a five minute job on each end. Wheels do not have to be removed. There's enough clearance to allow removal and installation of the calipers. No hose connection work is required, so no bleeding either. You simply unbolt the caliper, finesse it off the disc, remove the little cotter keys that hold the pad pins in the calipers, remove pins, remove old pads and reverse process with new pads. Prior to inserting new pads, verify proper placement of spring tab in caliper body. Pay close attention to the brake pad spring tab orientation while taking the caliper off and make sure it goes back the same way. My service manual illustrates this on page 4-47 for the front and page 4-60 for the rear pictured below. Use a thin layer of grease on pins for pads to slide freely in and out during operation. Apply non-permanent thread locking solution to mounting bolt threads and apply proper torque during final tightening. Torques in foot lbs are: 25 for all front wheel caliper bolts and on the rear wheel, 20 for the front bolt and 16 for the rear. A low torque value range wrench is highly recommended. Please verify correct torque values in your service manual. Once the job is done, the break lever and brake pedal will go full stroke the first time you apply pressure. This is normal, because the pads are simply being pushed in until they eventually contact the disk surface. Simply reapply the brakes until they feel solid and your ready to ride. On your first ride, brake hard quickly slowing the bike from around 60 or 70 mph down to around 30 mph. Do this several time in a row until you feel a good solid bite on the discs. Do this bed-in procedure on the front alone, then repeat on the rear alone. This will verify that each is completely bedded in. By the time I did the third rapid slow down, my ABS was kicking in indicating maximum bite. Some people just ride normally and let the bed-in occur naturally over time, but until that happens, the brakes are not 100% effective. I recommend the fast method, even on a newly purchased motorcycle. Note: when putting the rear caliper back on, be very careful with the larger mounting bolt on the front of the caliper when you start the thread. Start it by hand making sure there is no cross threading. Do not use a wrench until the bolt is all the way in by hand. This is a relatively fine thread and is very easy to misalign while pressing the caliper into place. When properly positioned, it goes in easily with very little effort.
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Post by arcaos84 on Dec 1, 2016 8:37:18 GMT -7
Which EBC HH Sintered pads did you get?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 8:45:09 GMT -7
Awesome!!! Thanks for the info and write up!
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Post by tigershark on Dec 1, 2016 9:21:52 GMT -7
Which EBC HH Sintered pads did you get? I bought them on ebay. EBC is the brand. Just search for EBC FZ-10. I got the HH Sintered pads.
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Post by arcaos84 on Dec 1, 2016 11:03:54 GMT -7
Kk, I just wanted to make sure I get the correct part #. My first lame attempt at researching didn't provide results with FZ-10 in the description.
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Post by tigershark on Dec 1, 2016 12:56:43 GMT -7
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Post by 0002s on Dec 1, 2016 16:29:32 GMT -7
Thank you. This seems like a VERY easy upgrade. I'm going to have to do this.
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Post by tigershark on Dec 1, 2016 16:44:32 GMT -7
Yes. Super easy. Just watch out for that forward mounting bolt on the rear caliper. I replaced the steel mounting hardware with stainless and that'll cut a cross thread immediately if it's not perfectly aligned. Even if you use the original bolt, be careful.
What I ended up doing was grind a groove down one side of the stainless bolt so it was like a single groove tap. It chased out the crossthread perfectly and went the rest of the way in with very little effort. Torquing it also worked fine. The inside caliper thread was boogered, so it was a happy ending.
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Post by arcaos84 on Dec 5, 2016 7:16:28 GMT -7
Great write-up btw, thanks for the follow-up with links as well.
***Edit:
Front Brake Pads: FA380HH Rear Brake Pads: FA174HH
Just in-case the links die.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 8:09:01 GMT -7
Since you are retired and bored with no riding today, feel free to print me up a copy of the service manual and put it in a binder for me.
LMAO!!!
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Post by tigershark on Dec 5, 2016 8:30:37 GMT -7
You missed the part about "as little as possible"
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Post by deftone on Feb 3, 2017 13:13:45 GMT -7
Organic pads for the rear because it tends to lock up easier. Sintered pads bite harder and will lock up more.
Thanks for the recommendation. I was just looking at these pads on ebay.
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Post by tigershark on Feb 3, 2017 14:16:00 GMT -7
Why would they lock up? They're ABS. I've engaged my brakes full force at 70 mph with the sintered HH pads and the ABS worked flawlessly. No lock up and totally controlled, straight as an arrow stop. I wouldn't hesitate to fully apply them anytime after experiencing this.
They definitely bite harder than the original pads, but the ABS just kicks in much sooner. The difference is really amazing. Why settle for less?
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Post by 0002s on Feb 3, 2017 14:52:59 GMT -7
No lock up with the sintered HH pads and ABS. I've slammed both front and rear and the ABS does it's job.
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Post by tigershark on Feb 3, 2017 15:41:55 GMT -7
As good as the HH bite, I believe they could lock up non-ABS rears. I've read a number of anti-ABS posts, but the -10s are fantastic.
Any -10 owners should be testing them frequently to reinforce the confidence they provide, especially with HH pads. It's an excellent prep for those rare occasions that you really need them.
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Post by deftone on Feb 3, 2017 16:05:49 GMT -7
Why would they lock up? They're ABS. I've engaged my brakes full force at 70 mph with the sintered HH pads and the ABS worked flawlessly. No lock up and totally controlled, straight as an arrow stop. I wouldn't hesitate to fully apply them anytime after experiencing this. They definitely bite harder than the original pads, but the ABS just kicks in much sooner. The difference is really amazing. Why settle for less? I think the "organic pads in the rear" was a theory for non ABS bikes, so sintered should be fine on ABS bikes. My R6 track bike (no ABS) was set up with oem lines and organic pads in the rear to keep it from locking up too easily. It's because of the rider, not the bike. Harder to feel with your foot in a boot than with your fingers, if that makes sense. I know I've always had trouble feeling the back brake working until it locked up on street and dirt bikes. You may not have that problem. I've locked up the rear on my FZ-10, it locks up for a split second then the ABS lets it go, locks, spins, kind of a chatter effect. I've had the TC kick in as well. It works really well.
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Post by tigershark on Feb 3, 2017 16:30:25 GMT -7
Why would they lock up? They're ABS. I've engaged my brakes full force at 70 mph with the sintered HH pads and the ABS worked flawlessly. No lock up and totally controlled, straight as an arrow stop. I wouldn't hesitate to fully apply them anytime after experiencing this. They definitely bite harder than the original pads, but the ABS just kicks in much sooner. The difference is really amazing. Why settle for less? I think the "organic pads in the rear" was a theory for non ABS bikes, so sintered should be fine on ABS bikes. My R6 track bike (no ABS) was set up with oem lines and organic pads in the rear to keep it from locking up too easily. It's because of the rider, not the bike. Harder to feel with your foot in a boot than with your fingers, if that makes sense. I know I've always had trouble feeling the back brake working until it locked up on street and dirt bikes. You may not have that problem. I've locked up the rear on my FZ-10, it locks up for a split second then the ABS lets it go, locks, spins, kind of a chatter effect. I've had the TC kick in as well. It works really well. Great explanation. I don't experience that on the street, but understand what you're saying.
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Post by deftone on Feb 3, 2017 17:15:17 GMT -7
Great explanation. I don't experience that on the street, but understand what you're saying. I'm no authority, just another life long student. You posed a question and I thought I might have an answer. Food for thought anyway. I actually used the rear brake in conjunction with the front a lot my FZ1 during really hard braking. It locked up on occasion but I never had much trouble with it. I always thought those calipers were pretty good, and the FZ-10's are definitely better. I can't wait to try these new pads.
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Post by deftone on Feb 15, 2017 4:20:31 GMT -7
I'll second the OP's thoughts on the EBC HH Sintered brake pads, they are excellent. Big improvement over stock.
*EDIT* I was just looking over the installation instructions posted. FWIW: I didn't remove the calipers to replace the pads. I simply pulled the cotter pins, the pad pin, the pad spring and slid the pads out. Reverse for installation.
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