slippy
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Post by slippy on Jul 27, 2021 10:20:08 GMT -7
I bought a second hand MT-10 with the following exhaust mods:
SP Engineering round moto gp xls carbon fiber decat exhaust 2 Wheel dyno works ecu flash AIS disconnected and air filter plugged Exup removed O2 sensors removed
I am not sure if "air filter plugged" is the same as block off plates since I cannot get him to respond to me... I would rather not jack with this myself, so I am looking for a local tech that can can get the bike dialed in. It backfires a ton on decel, not just cute little crackles..... I contacted 2WDW, and his comment is:
"If the bike is popping on deceleration, then the block off plates on the bike are improperly installed and air is leaking past the plates. This is common on these bikes, as many owners miss the small location "tab" on the mounting surface, so the plates don't properly seal to the AIS port."
Know any Dallas area techs, let me know..... Thanks!
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Post by willl84 on Jul 27, 2021 11:37:22 GMT -7
The "air filter plugged" is probably the plug that comes with the block-off kit to plug the hole in the airbox that's left when you remove the AIS.
2WDW is correct - if it's still backfiring then there's an air leak to possibly the AIS block-off install didn't go correctly. I have it done on mine with their tune and there's not a single crackle or pop or anything. Unfortunately it's a PITA to get to the AIS valves on top of the valve cover to see if they were installed correctly or not.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Jul 27, 2021 12:11:07 GMT -7
Makes sense what 2WDW is saying. I remember early on, people were using R1 blockoff plates and turns out, you need FZ/MT 10 specific blockoff plates.
Here's what I would do. Take the bike to someone and have them change the spark plugs/air filter. On the way to the spark plugs, tell them to check out the blockoff plates to make sure they are correct and installed properly. If not, try to find a place you can order from quickly so he can leave the bike taken apart and then install the correct blockoff plates when they come in. I couldn't even see my mechanic charging me extra for this. He'd might frown about having to keep the bike in the shop for a couple days depending how busy.
Also, there's an additional hose fitting that needs to be plugged. FZ/Mt-10 specific block off plates usually come with this rubber nipple.
Or just buy the correct blockoff plates and prepare to return them.
This way, at least if it turns out not to be the blockoff plates, you didn't lose the labor cost on nothing. You got your spark plugs done which are probably overdue or near due for replacement if it's a used bike and has been ridden past a few oil changes.
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terrys
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Post by terrys on Jul 27, 2021 17:23:22 GMT -7
I fitted an AIS blocking kit on Sunday. The air filter plug is simply any vacuum cap that will fit the nipple on the underside of the airbox; you could probably just fill the nipple with silicon sealer for the same result. If that is not plugged it just means an unfiltered air leak into the airbox and won't cause any other running issues. The blanking plates are the shiny silver rectangles on top of the cam cover; the kit I used also came with an electrical plug to stop any check engine codes, you can see the little pink connector in the plug on the left.
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slippy
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Post by slippy on Jul 27, 2021 19:38:18 GMT -7
I appreciate the input.... The bike is a 2018, but only has 1200 miles on it. Practically new... My guess is he sold it because it's so obnoxious riding around town.... He did not have the DB Killer in and it was even worse. Once I added it back, it did calm down slightly; muffled the sonic boom coming from the muffler, somewhat... Out of curiosity, what type of mechanics are you guys using on these bikes? Track day/racing techs, or more Yamaha specific? I have used the Ducati techs in the past and they knew their stuff, but don't think they mess with any other brands...
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Post by willl84 on Jul 28, 2021 4:26:54 GMT -7
I appreciate the input.... The bike is a 2018, but only has 1200 miles on it. Practically new... My guess is he sold it because it's so obnoxious riding around town.... He did not have the DB Killer in and it was even worse. Once I added it back, it did calm down slightly; muffled sonic boom coming from the muffler, somewhat... Out of curiosity, what type of mechanics are you guys using on these bikes? Track day/racing techs, or more Yamaha specific? I have used the Ducati techs in the past and they new their stuff, but don't think they mess with any other brands... Definitely doesn't need a plug change at only 1200 miles then lol. As far at techs go I'm my own tech, I went to MMI from 02-04 and have been working at bike shops up until last year.
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Post by mclovin on Jul 28, 2021 6:08:25 GMT -7
I had my 2017 FJ 09 flashed by Vcyclenut and it was perfect. I had my 2019 MT 10 flashed by him also. Again perfect. I removed O2 sensors, exup valve decat and did aftermarket exhaust on both. On both bikes he notes that to get rid of popping take a wad of electrical tape and plug hole in airbox. Never saw a reason to do anything else. It works like a charm. 16,000 miles on my MT 10 and it's as sweet as can be. He charges $200 for a flash and addresses a ton of stuff. He will also turn around your ECU the same day if he gets it early in the day. I had both mine back in 4 days. He's been doing these forever and it is highly developed so you're not getting a one off experiment where someone has to figure it out from scratch. Not as well known on this forum due to smallish audience but very well known on others. He's also available to answer questions and generous with time. He's also very active on the MT 09 forum as he actually likes to ride motorcycles and chat about them.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Jul 28, 2021 18:35:53 GMT -7
I appreciate the input.... The bike is a 2018, but only has 1200 miles on it. Practically new... My guess is he sold it because it's so obnoxious riding around town.... He did not have the DB Killer in and it was even worse. Once I added it back, it did calm down slightly; muffled the sonic boom coming from the muffler, somewhat... Out of curiosity, what type of mechanics are you guys using on these bikes? Track day/racing techs, or more Yamaha specific? I have used the Ducati techs in the past and they knew their stuff, but don't think they mess with any other brands... Well it's pretty basic accessing the block off plates so any mechanic should definitely be able to deal with this issue. Dealing with removing the shit off of the front gas tank is a hassle though so somebody not familiar with the bike might be a little lost with dealing with it and might need to bust out the service manual. Yea 1200 miles is a little early for a plug change. You're in a tough spot because it's pretty easy what needs to be done but the labor in getting down to that area is going to cost you a bit of money, especially if you don't know for sure if that's the issue. Good luck!
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