goodman4
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Post by goodman4 on Nov 11, 2020 10:26:10 GMT -7
I'm a sportbike newbie coming from sport tourers, so having a bike stand is a new concept for me. I change my oil in my FJR and Goldwing on the centerstand and that's about all the maintenance I normally do myself. My dealer talked me into having them do the oil changes for the first year due to warranty, so that won't even be a factor for a while.
I'm assuming I can care for the chain ok without a stand, right? What else would I need a stand for? I ride occasionally in the winter so I don't even put my FJR or Goldwing on the center stand. I've been fine with that for 8 years. Do you save money taking the wheels off and having someone mount tires instead of taking the bike in?
And IF I decide I need a stand, storage space is a big factor, with cost second and flexibility third. I don't care at all about how one looks. I've looked at Pitbull stands mostly, but I don't know if that's overkill.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Nov 11, 2020 11:52:28 GMT -7
If you're just planning on doing chain lubrication, you can definitely do without a stand. You'll just need to walk the bike as you lubricate or clean it. You can probably find a cheap stand on Craigslist or Facebook but be weary of the quality and the way they hold together, especially if they come in multiple pieces. Trackside is a pretty popular "cheap" stand but since it's made of multiple pieces, it can come apart and your bike can fall off it. It can even become loose and cause you trouble. Any stand that comes in pieces that you have to put together, you should always check it for tightness before you do any bike work.
Also, do not run the bike on the rearstand to do chain maintenance. It will cause a check engine light that can only be cleared at the dealer.
Now if you are going to do tires, Pitbull stands are the way to go. They are expensive, even on the used market, but they are one solid piece of metal and they will last FOREVER. You will have them the rest of your life guaranteed. The guy that started making them and runs the company has produced shit that is on the International space station. There is absolutely no question that Pitbull stands are the best. They are fairly lightweight considering their solid construction and I store mine up in the rafters of my garage
Pitbull also sells a "tire wedge" that is sold seperate (and expensive) that assists greatly in doing tires yourself. IT will definitely save you time and especially aggravation.
You definitely save money taking the tires off. Most places by me charge about $30 each tire to change the tires ON the bike but it's usually half or a third of that to do the tires off of the bike. I have a guy that charges me $20 for both tires off the bike so I essentially save $40 for every tire change I do. If you run the stock tires, you'll save a lot of money in tire changes as those tires usually last only about 3000 miles. If you switch to a sport touring tire, you will require tire changes less often. Eventually though, the stands will pay for themselves and you'll be in the green, saving money to do yourself.
The flipside of doing tire changes (especially the back tire) is that they aren't the easiest thing to do by yourself. They can be incredibly aggravating to do yourself if you don't have the proper tools. I have had an occasion where I spent 45 minutes trying to get a rear tire on. Although since I bought that Pitbull tire wedge, I haven't had any major issues with tire changes since. But putting on the rear tire requires you to squeeze the tire between the swingarm with the spacers that can fall out, while trying to get the rotor into the brake caliper, while trying to slide the axle in without knocking the caliper off it's perch. And you only have 2 hands. It can be incredibly aggravating to do yourself. And even after that, you have to then line up the chain with proper chain slack. There's tools to make all of this simpler but they cost you more money. Going to the track, riding aggressively on sport tires, and changing tires often. It's worth it. Sport touring, changing tires every 5-10000 miles, Maybe not so much.
There are companies like Bursig and SVRacing (cheaper) that make center stands but they are harder to do maintenance on because the bike has a tendency to rock on the stand as you're working on it. I use my SVRacing stand for my trackbike for tire warmers but my Pitbull stands for all maintenance.
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Post by evitzee on Nov 11, 2020 14:20:35 GMT -7
Pretty much everything important has been said above. You can do without, but a rear stand is mighty handy for general cleaning, oil changes and chain maintenance. A Pitbull rear stand with spools is about $200, cheap in my opinion. You are lifting $13,000 + whatever extras you have tacked on into the air, why try to save a few dollars by buying a cheap stand?
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goodman4
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Post by goodman4 on Nov 11, 2020 14:23:13 GMT -7
Thanks! Exactly what I needed to know. I'll be determining tires later. I run Pirelli Angels on the FJR. Likely will run Michelin Road 5's but it really depends on several factors including whether I'm commuting or not. If this bike is just for local fun I may not be putting as many miles on it as I'd like. That might justify the sportier tires for a while.
So I'll skip the stand until spring and then decide. I'm 90% sure I'll go with Pitbull if I do it at all.
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Post by willl84 on Nov 12, 2020 5:04:39 GMT -7
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Post by mechie on Nov 12, 2020 7:52:07 GMT -7
Just as a quick comparison. I've had both the cheap amazon stands and have a set of pit bulls as well.
The difference in stability and build quality is greatly apparent.
If the bike is just sitting or lubing the chain or minor little things. The cheap stands have done well for me. Doing any mechanical work where you are putting side pressure on them or leaning on the bike...Not so confident.
I found my head lift stand and rear stand on FB market place for less than a set of amazon stands.
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Post by goodman4 on Nov 13, 2020 22:05:18 GMT -7
Well, I did the first chain adjustment this evening. I didn't need to clean the chain yet, but put a little lube on to get a feel for the process. You are correct that it is doable, but it would be so much easier if I could spin the wheel instead of rolling the bike around. I went ahead and ordered the rear pitbull stand with the 6 mm black aluminum spools.
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Post by maximus on Nov 14, 2020 15:09:10 GMT -7
If you plan on keeping your motorcycle I’d recommend stands, they are a necessity as you will come to realize. You can start off with the rear and eventually get a front when you perform caliper maintenance or front wheel removal or other. I would recommend the Pit Bull brand. If you choose this brand & get a front stand, for the MT 10 you will need ABS friendly Hybrid Swivel, part # F0100-007. It’s a game changer. Otherwise if you follow the manual, you will be unplugging your front wheel speed sensor every time you lift it. Pit Bull # F0100-007
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Post by goodman4 on Nov 14, 2020 15:55:27 GMT -7
If you choose this brand & get a front stand, for the MT 10 you will need ABS friendly Hybrid Swivel, part # F0100-007. It’s a game changer. Otherwise if you follow the manual, you will be unplugging your front wheel speed sensor every time you lift it. Pit Bull # F0100-007 The guy I talked to at Pitbull said one of the versions did not require the ABS swivels shown above for the MT10. I can't remember now which one he said - Fork or Head lift.
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Post by maximus on Nov 14, 2020 16:09:56 GMT -7
Oh ok I’m unaware of that one. I’ve had this stand for many years & had to get this part for compatibility w the MT 10. Otherwise you can lift w the headlift stand
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Post by maximus on Nov 14, 2020 16:12:36 GMT -7
Here is without ABS swivel; resting on that sensor. Not a good idea
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Post by jwestley71 on Nov 18, 2020 6:08:23 GMT -7
I looked at stands for a long time, and finally settled on the Pit-Bull (I'm cheap). I settled on the Pit-Bull because I trusted that I could leave the bike jacked up in the garage and return with the bike in the same position. As others have said, you can get by doing general maintenance without it, but it was worth it to me to invest in the stand. Makes lubing the chain a breeze, and makes changing the coolant and oil an easy job. I had done these without the stand, and though I was able to do it, a pain the the @ss to get all of the fluid/oil out, having to stand and hold bike up, walking the bike, etc. The stand will pay for itself in short time with the amount of time I save and the fact that I can do most maintenance without a mechanic.
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Post by dkim213 on Nov 18, 2020 10:44:46 GMT -7
I have the crappy track side stands. I’ve been using them for 4 years doing all sorts of maintenance.
I’d like to get a new rear stand because the trackside one is flimsy. The trackside headlift is fine since I don’t use it as often.
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Post by hooli on Nov 19, 2020 11:08:50 GMT -7
If you choose this brand & get a front stand, for the MT 10 you will need ABS friendly Hybrid Swivel, part # F0100-007. It’s a game changer. Otherwise if you follow the manual, you will be unplugging your front wheel speed sensor every time you lift it. I use the standard Pitbull front stand with both my MT and my '16 R1. It just takes a few extra seconds to spin out the sensor mounting bolt with an appropriately-sized T-handle allen wrench. *shrug*
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Post by maximus on Nov 19, 2020 12:01:14 GMT -7
If you choose this brand & get a front stand, for the MT 10 you will need ABS friendly Hybrid Swivel, part # F0100-007. It’s a game changer. Otherwise if you follow the manual, you will be unplugging your front wheel speed sensor every time you lift it. I use the standard Pitbull front stand with both my MT and my '16 R1. It just takes a few extra seconds to spin out the sensor mounting bolt with an appropriately-sized T-handle allen wrench. *shrug* That’s cool, whatever works for you. I just saw this & wanted to share it. I didn’t see about it on the forum. I like things as simple as they can be & this fits the bill. I have the headstand also, but rarely use that one.
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Post by vulcanator on Aug 16, 2021 12:37:20 GMT -7
I can recommend an Abba stand for the MT-10. They ship fast from the UK, and has been a boon for oil changes, chain maintenance etc.
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