phanomenal10
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Post by phanomenal10 on Aug 7, 2020 9:18:25 GMT -7
so I notice this bike get heads
Sales quite often when getting on it hard. Especially over bumpy roads. I've had many steering damper on other bikes and those damper never give head shakes and if the do I can just turn them up more. Should I replace the stock electronic steering damper. The other day I started getting a tiny headshake but stayed wide open and the head shake started getting quite violent before they suddenly stop shaking and the bike was normal again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 12:25:29 GMT -7
I've considered replacing it because I get some pretty bad shakes at high speeds.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Aug 7, 2020 13:08:24 GMT -7
So I get on the bike pretty hard, mostly in the canyons and although the front steering is lighter than most sportbikes, I find the bike is pretty good at straightening out whatever headshake I might encounter (which is usually minimum and corrected by me simply doing nothing and letting the bike straighten itself out). So my inclination is that the adjustments I've made to the suspension are sufficient and I don't need a $500 steering dampener, so I have opted to remain with the stock one. If this is acceleration induced headshake which I believe you hinted to, it is likely a suspension issue. And very likely needs decreased rebound dampening and possibly increased compression as well as making sure the rear sag is set properly as that also helps with front end stability. Let me throw down a quick disclaimer that I am not very suspension inclined so I could very well be mixing this up when I'm thinking about this off of memory. But basically, if you have not have your suspension tuned, I would recommend you take it to a suspension tuner who will set all of this and match it to your weight and riding style. I think you'd be surprised for the relative low amount of money you would spend (my guy charges $40) how much better the bike will feel and steer. And you may completely be able to mitigate this issue with simple suspension adjustments. And of course it's your money to spend on an aftermarket dampener, but I would really recommend you explore suspension issues either way as a steering dampener won't fix suspension issues. It only mitigates headshake. So you will continue to get front end instability if it is indeed suspension/rider induced.
Also, make sure you don't death grip the bars. Best advice I've been told is hold onto the bars like they are eggs. Tight enough to hold them securely but not tight enough to crush them. Death Grips and locked out arms will make headshake worse.
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wodger63
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Post by wodger63 on Aug 7, 2020 14:42:16 GMT -7
RedAndBlack is on the money about getting your suspension set up.
Steering dampers mask a problem not fix it.
Got to say that my bike is rock solid under hard acceleration with only a hint of a wobble when the road surface is really rough.
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phanomenal10
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Post by phanomenal10 on Aug 7, 2020 15:46:27 GMT -7
Thanks guys. I was getting my suspension set up to me soon. Only head the bike for a few weeks now so I'll check that out first
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Post by RedAndBlack on Aug 8, 2020 10:58:03 GMT -7
Let us know how it goes!
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Post by rracerfz10 on Aug 9, 2020 16:21:39 GMT -7
I’ve noticed some wiggle in the bars when I’m accelerating hard and jerking the clutch and throttle but that’s me not the bike. If I’m crushing and intentionally wiggle the bars it’ll feel like it’s going to start shaking but never does. I’m convinced it’s a rearward weight bias these bikes have and the shorter wheelbase compared to the R1
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Post by fasterdave on Jun 14, 2021 20:49:53 GMT -7
Ride smoothly. If in doubt, more gas. Make sure you do a few track days before you think about muddling with the steering damper. Get all your suspension settings set by a tuner at your track day. Then you will really see if you are over riding the damper. I think once you have 100 laps of your local racetrack under your belt and got your settings set, you will find the damper is most likely fine. If not, then adjust.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 9:19:11 GMT -7
Sock damper is fine by me.
Just did a track day, second this year, and have zero issues with shakes at high speed.
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Post by mclovin on Jun 15, 2021 10:58:47 GMT -7
I’ve noticed some wiggle in the bars when I’m accelerating hard and jerking the clutch and throttle but that’s me not the bike. If I’m crushing and intentionally wiggle the bars it’ll feel like it’s going to start shaking but never does. I’m convinced it’s a rearward weight bias these bikes have and the shorter wheelbase compared to the R1 It's about 3/16 of an inch shorter. You really think that makes a difference?
I've got 13,500 miles on and frequently get up between 125 and 160 MPH and I've never noticed a hint of head shake or wobble with the stock suspension or with K-Tech rear Ohlins front.
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Post by rracerfz10 on Jun 16, 2021 5:35:52 GMT -7
55.3" wheelbase on the R1 vs 55.1" on the FZ/MT-10. That's 3/10 of an inch not 3/16 which is almost 1/2" yeah you can notice that. I have 23 years riding all kinds of bikes, mostly sportbikes and such. But yeah I've got no idea what I'm talking about.
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mclovin
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Post by mclovin on Jun 16, 2021 13:39:57 GMT -7
Your right, it's not 3/16, more like 5/16. My compliments, you must be an amazing rider.
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Post by weehe on Jun 17, 2021 17:55:55 GMT -7
55.3"-55.1" = 0.2" which is closer to 3/16" than it is to 1/4", let alone 1/2". I honestly can't tell if that was all sarcasm.
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Post by mclovin on Jun 18, 2021 6:12:09 GMT -7
55.3"-55.1" = 0.2" which is closer to 3/16" than it is to 1/4", let alone 1/2". I honestly can't tell if that was all sarcasm. Does it matter. Apparently there are riders who's skills are so good that they can feel that 3/16 length throws the handling off. For the record, I'm not one of them. |
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