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Post by sgtshearer on Jul 8, 2020 8:36:18 GMT -7
Hi all, first post and I'm looking for some opinions. I'm currently looking for a 2nd bike that would serve as both track bike and alternate street bike to my MT. I'm stuck between going with the SV650 (or other 650 class), and the 600 class supersports. My concern is two fold: 1. If I go the 650 route, will I be bored/underwhelmed when street riding, seeing as I'm riding a 1000 right now? And 2. Are supersport ergos that bad? Do they get more comfortable with time or is that just how they are? I realize everyone is different, and I do see myself riding this 2nd bike on the street relatively often. Thanks for any input!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 9:16:55 GMT -7
Couple of questions before I can give you my opinion.
New or used? Budget?
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Post by sgtshearer on Jul 8, 2020 9:29:59 GMT -7
Thanks! New or used doesn't matter, probably new-ish as I'd like ABS. Budget not important but would like to keep it less than 10k if possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 10:50:53 GMT -7
Well if you go all out supersport dont get an R6 as they are the most uncomfortable.
I commuted on a GSXR 600 for years and was fine with it.
Honda CBR600RR is probably the most comfortable 600.
But my personal pick would be the Honda CBR650R. Perfect balance of track capable but commute worthy.
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Post by sgtshearer on Jul 8, 2020 11:08:27 GMT -7
Awesome, thanks for the info. I have heard good things about the cbr650 for sure.
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Post by mistico on Jul 8, 2020 12:03:44 GMT -7
How experienced are you? If not very experienced, get a 650 twin cylinder bike or even smaller. You'll learn all the basics that will translate to any high HP bike afterwards. Yes, it won't be exciting on a straight line. You'll also need to mod the suspension on any of them.
If you're experienced, any of the current 600s will be awesome. None are very comfortable but they are amazing track bikes out of the box. Pick your color.
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Post by sgtshearer on Jul 8, 2020 12:21:38 GMT -7
How experienced are you? If not very experienced, get a 650 twin cylinder bike or even smaller. You'll learn all the basics that will translate to any high HP bike afterwards. Yes, it won't be exciting on a straight line. You'll also need to mod the suspension on any of them. If you're experienced, any of the current 600s will be awesome. None are very comfortable but they are amazing track bikes out of the box. Pick your color. Sweet, thanks that helps. I would call myself experienced. Id like to keep advancing at cornering and the track is great for that. I don't have any problems with the MT at all, just don't have experience on the 600 or liter supersports specifically. I do know they're straight up made for the track so I may just go that route.
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Post by madmagpul on Jul 8, 2020 15:56:36 GMT -7
I recently got a 2018 Triumph Street Triple RS and its honestly made me consider selling my 10. Its obviously so much more nimble up in the mountains and gets sooo much better fuel economy (not as important) and in my opinion has the perfect amount of power for the street. Haven't been able to take it to the track yet though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 18:05:37 GMT -7
I borrowed an SV650 for a NC week-long trip, including the dragon, skyway, parkway, and other probably even better less known roads, and have a newfound respect for that bike. It had upgraded suspension front and back (de rigueur on that bike), front brace, Road5 tires, s/s braided brake lines, EBC pads, a Corbin seat, Yoshimura slip-on, and many other cosmetic upgrades (levers, mirrors, sliders, etc). It was all-day comfortable, and without the peg feelers, it had very decent cornering clearance. I still had to watch that, since it's dangerous to touch down on that bike, for some reason. After a couple of times, had to dial back the pace enough to not having to bother about that. But it was still a lot of fun. The engine has a lot of character, sounds and feels really good, and it's super reliable. We don't need 150HP on the streets, period. I was riding much more relaxed (as in safe), so really enjoyed the whole experience. It's not that much lighter than the MT-10, but if felt much lighter than the 23-lb official difference (for the ABS model). I didn't miss my bike much; it was that good. Finally, neither bike is a track bike, but it honestly makes more sense to track the MT-10, since it's the only (relatively) safe place to use its power, not on the streets. We did 7 straight days of riding between 190 and 310 miles a day. No way you can do that with any super sport, so a bike like the SV or FZ/MT is the perfect compromise for that kind of riding, which is what I do. Something sportier might not get used much, defeating the purpose. You need to determine what kind of riding you'll be doing, then decide which bikes make more sense. Nice problem to have . Good luck man.
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Post by oskarz28 on Jul 8, 2020 18:31:28 GMT -7
Hi all, first post and I'm looking for some opinions. I'm currently looking for a 2nd bike that would serve as both track bike and alternate street bike to my MT. I'm stuck between going with the SV650 (or other 650 class), and the 600 class supersports. My concern is two fold: 1. If I go the 650 route, will I be bored/underwhelmed when street riding, seeing as I'm riding a 1000 right now? And 2. Are supersport ergos that bad? Do they get more comfortable with time or is that just how they are? I realize everyone is different, and I do see myself riding this 2nd bike on the street relatively often. Thanks for any input! 1. I've had an SV for 17 years before Harvey flooded it. First I had an 2000 model, then 2001. Awesome bike. It really complememted my R1 (also flooded). I never got bored with it. It was weak compared to the R1, but easy to ride. I never had issues keeping up on rides. Yes it topped out just shy of 120, but it was blast to ride.....btw, I thoight FZ would do it all, but I do miss my SV and I'll be getting another one if I come accross a clean 1st gen. It was also my track bike, and often kept up with 600s, and sometimes 1000s. I definitely reccomend them. 2. Ergonomics of current supersports suck for me. My 02 R1 fit perfectly, so did my 1999 GSXR, but my 08 zX6r was terrible. On the SS today, you sit on the bike not inside the bike. Also, as I get older and now that I got the FZ, I dont need that.
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Post by sgtshearer on Jul 9, 2020 5:42:30 GMT -7
I borrowed an SV650 for a NC week-long trip, including the dragon, skyway, parkway, and other probably even better less known roads, and have a newfound respect for that bike. It had upgraded suspension front and back (de rigueur on that bike), front brace, Road5 tires, s/s braided brake lines, EBC pads, a Corbin seat, Yoshimura slip-on, and many other cosmetic upgrades (levers, mirrors, sliders, etc). It was all-day comfortable, and without the peg feelers, it had very decent cornering clearance. I still had to watch that, since it's dangerous to touch down on that bike, for some reason. After a couple of times, had to dial back the pace enough to not having to bother about that. But it was still a lot of fun. The engine has a lot of character, sounds and feels really good, and it's super reliable. We don't need 150HP on the streets, period. I was riding much more relaxed (as in safe), so really enjoyed the whole experience. It's not that much lighter than the MT-10, but if felt much lighter than the 23-lb official difference (for the ABS model). I didn't miss my bike much; it was that good. Finally, neither bike is a track bike, but it honestly makes more sense to track the MT-10, since it's the only (relatively) safe place to use its power, not on the streets. We did 7 straight days of riding between 190 and 310 miles a day. No way you can do that with any super sport, so a bike like the SV or FZ/MT is the perfect compromise for that kind of riding, which is what I do. Something sportier might not get used much, defeating the purpose. You need to determine what kind of riding you'll be doing, then decide which bikes make more sense. Nice problem to have . Good luck man. Great feedback, many thanks! I have been strongly considering the SV, and have had more than a few endorsements for it. Your suggestion to just track the MT is noted. You're definitely right about not being able to utilize it's power on the street. I've already made many mods that have it near track ready also. Thanks a ton for the input!
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Post by sgtshearer on Jul 9, 2020 5:45:03 GMT -7
Hi all, first post and I'm looking for some opinions. I'm currently looking for a 2nd bike that would serve as both track bike and alternate street bike to my MT. I'm stuck between going with the SV650 (or other 650 class), and the 600 class supersports. My concern is two fold: 1. If I go the 650 route, will I be bored/underwhelmed when street riding, seeing as I'm riding a 1000 right now? And 2. Are supersport ergos that bad? Do they get more comfortable with time or is that just how they are? I realize everyone is different, and I do see myself riding this 2nd bike on the street relatively often. Thanks for any input! 1. I've had an SV for 17 years before Harvey flooded it. First I had an 2000 model, then 2001. Awesome bike. It really complememted my R1 (also flooded). I never got bored with it. It was weak compared to the R1, but easy to ride. I never had issues keeping up on rides. Yes it topped out just shy of 120, but it was blast to ride.....btw, I thoight FZ would do it all, but I do miss my SV and I'll be getting another one if I come accross a clean 1st gen. It was also my track bike, and often kept up with 600s, and sometimes 1000s. I definitely reccomend them. 2. Ergonomics of current supersports suck for me. My 02 R1 fit perfectly, so did my 1999 GSXR, but my 08 zX6r was terrible. On the SS today, you sit on the bike not inside the bike. Also, as I get older and now that I got the FZ, I dont need that. Thanks for the input on the SS. I'm 42 years old and the ergos were definitely a concern for me. Many recommending the SV. Thankful for all the feedback on here!
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Post by oskarz28 on Jul 9, 2020 6:49:42 GMT -7
I love ergos on SV (I'm 46 btw). For track I bounced between handlebars, clubman bars, and clip ons. In the end I went back to clip ons, but had to modify turn signal brackets to make the bike legal on the street. However, standard handlebars were fine. I had to get some rearsets because pegs would drag, but ones not to high not to mess with efgonomics too much, also did suspension work.
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Post by pc1978 on Jul 10, 2020 17:46:39 GMT -7
Not sure how you feel about KTM. But a 690 or 790 Duke might be an option. I’m considering both. Seems to be a great lightweight bike that will give you tons of fun on the curvy backroads. But at the same time eliminate the temptation to go crazy speeds every time you twist the throttle. This one is set up great (very nice suspension upgrade), but not sure I want to spend quite that much: charlotte.craigslist.org/mcy/d/midland-2019-ktm-duke-790/7148042561.htmlHere is one I may make an offer on, if I can get him to come down a bit might go for it. The did make some improvements to the 690 engine in 2016 (this is a 14), and the suspension is better on the 690 R version, but for a budget priced bike it should provide lots of enjoyment: fayetteville.craigslist.org/mcy/d/southern-pines-2014-ktm-690-duke/7153779005.html
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 11:37:15 GMT -7
For those who don't know, the 690 is a thumper, and the 790 a parellel twin, but not sure if 270 (sounds like a V-twin), or 360 crank. KTMs are not very refined engines, so you better like (and be able to take) vibrations .
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Post by pc1978 on Jul 11, 2020 14:19:51 GMT -7
For those who don't know, the 690 is a thumper, and the 790 a parellel twin, but not sure if 270 (sounds like a V-twin), or 360 crank. KTMs are not very refined engines, so you better like (and be able to take) vibrations . The 2016 690 added a second balancer shaft to make it smoother. But yeah both engines will not be as smooth as a 3 or 4 cylinder. But I’m fine with that and could live with the previous Gen 690, it wouldn’t be a highway/cruising bike. But they do make some great engines (performance at least, reliability can be debatable). I had a Super Duke GT and the 1290 LC8 (1301 cc, 173 HP, 106 ft-lbs) is one of the best road bike engines out there, IMO (and some moto-journalists). It does have the V-twin rumble (“character” 😉) but doesn’t feel excessively vibey or buzzy. I do think the MT-10 is a better bike for aggressive twisty road riding. But the 2020 SDR has had significant frame/suspension changes that appear to really help dial in the handling during fast pace cornering. I would be interested in trying it out to see how it compares to the previous Gen.
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Post by sgtshearer on Jul 12, 2020 13:59:54 GMT -7
Not sure how you feel about KTM. But a 690 or 790 Duke might be an option. I’m considering both. Seems to be a great lightweight bike that will give you tons of fun on the curvy backroads. But at the same time eliminate the temptation to go crazy speeds every time you twist the throttle. This one is set up great (very nice suspension upgrade), but not sure I want to spend quite that much: charlotte.craigslist.org/mcy/d/midland-2019-ktm-duke-790/7148042561.htmlHere is one I may make an offer on, if I can get him to come down a bit might go for it. The did make some improvements to the 690 engine in 2016 (this is a 14), and the suspension is better on the 690 R version, but for a budget priced bike it should provide lots of enjoyment: fayetteville.craigslist.org/mcy/d/southern-pines-2014-ktm-690-duke/7153779005.htmlWell I sure love the looks of the KTM bikes. Awesome styling always on them. I personally have never known anyone who had one. I hear they are finnicky bikes but tons of fun! Good luck if you snag that one!
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Post by rracerfz10 on Jul 12, 2020 17:15:03 GMT -7
I had a 2005 SV650S right before my FZ10 and it was a great bike. Easy to ride handles really well (even with stock suspension and my 220lb self on it) and never had any problems for the three years I owned it.
The old saying is true “it’s more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow” for sure. You will learn a lot more about riding, especially on track, from something like an SV than a super sport. The Sv-S has clip-ons and a half fairing to tuck behind so it’ll be better suited for track riding than a naked SV but it’s no where near as aggressive of a position as a full on super sport. Mine had just about 20,000 miles on it when I sold it to my friend and it's still going great. He loves it. If I had the space to keep two bikes I absolutely would’ve kept my SV
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