yockanookany
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Post by yockanookany on Mar 27, 2020 12:36:51 GMT -7
So I've been riding for about 6 years now, first with a CBR500R, then a GSX-S750 now with an MT-10. I suck a wheelies, never been able to do them well. I -can- get them on the 750 with a back break followed by hard throttle, but i can't sustain them. I went out riding yesterday and couldn't ever get the wheel off the ground, either by power wheeling it, or doing the method above.
How are yall accomplishing them?
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Post by thefinn on Mar 27, 2020 12:53:11 GMT -7
Smooth acceleration, pull the clutch and drop it without easing on the gas. First a very short "blip" on the clutch, the longer you keep it down the more force will throw the wheel in the air, just need to experiment with it. Also make sure you have TC off (or in 1 for a bit more safety). Although there is no wheelie control, the TC will cut the power once it feels that the rear wheel is moving faster than the front wheel.
You know that "vrrrrrrr-RAA-vrrrrrrrraaaaaaa" sound (horribly spelled) that you hear when people on youtube do it? That loud middle part is the clutch being poped.
After you get the wheel in the air a decent height, start adding some throttle as soon as you release the clutch and make the wheel come down smoothly. When you get the touch you start learning to ride that wheelie.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Mar 27, 2020 12:59:53 GMT -7
Wheelies are easier to do going up hill so that's where I started. Abandoned street with a slight uphill.
Either clutch up wheelie, rev the engine up to about 5 grand then quickly (but not completely) start to release the clutch using the clutch to either add or remove power.
Or power wheelie, push down on the front suspension or tap the front break and then immediately power the throttle up as the suspension rebounds back.
Get used to just pulling the front wheel off the ground. Don't go for popping the bike up vertical. Just work on pulling the wheel up slightly off the ground and trying to keep it there. The rest will come with practice.
Make sure you cover your rear brake in case you start to go 12 o clock. And make sure the front wheel Always goes down straight and don't death grip the bars.
I'm not a wheelie guru. I actually don't like doing them much on the street. I dunno why but a power wheelie coming out of a turn on an uphill on the track doesn't seem to bother me At all but low speed clutch ups on the street get me nervous. I can't explain that one but I've become content that I'm just not that dude that will be doing wheelies on group rides. I take more pride in my cornering skills 😁
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Post by northsouth on Mar 27, 2020 18:29:49 GMT -7
Might want to cover the rear brake too. Be ready in case you need it.
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Post by northsouth on Mar 27, 2020 18:31:29 GMT -7
Sorry Redandblack, just re-read your good advice. Duh.
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Post by uknixter on Mar 28, 2020 19:03:34 GMT -7
There is really no need for clutch ups on this bike, at least in 1st & 2nd gear. Find a straight bit of road, and ride at a steady throttle at about 4K rpm for a few seconds then roll the throttle on hard. You will have to experiment how hard to wack the throttle open so you don’t come up too quick, take your time. I have had mine flashed, but have to short shift in the first couple of gears or it is coming up whether I like it or not when full throttle high in the rpm range. You should practice it a little slower. I’ve had mine pop up at over 120 over a bump in the track so it’s good to get comfortable with the front at least hovering off the ground even if you don’t want to be a vertical wheelie king.
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Post by hooli on Mar 28, 2020 21:36:44 GMT -7
Don't forget to sit towards the rear of the seat...put your butt against that hump.
Oh, and "yut-uggghhh" for maximum wheelie, lol.
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willbuybikes
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Post by willbuybikes on Mar 29, 2020 2:35:03 GMT -7
I agree with uknixter that if your bike is running properly, it will lift the front wheel under acceleration without using the clutch. I found it came up accidentally in 1st, 2nd and maybe even 3rd as the revs go thru the mid range when a good amount of throttle is applied (but not excessive or sudden). What tyres do you have? I found the original tyres had good grip, pulled more accidental wheelies with them than Michelin Pilot Road 4 or Road 5. I would be careful pulling wheelies in 1st, as it should stand on its end. NB I haven't flashed mine.
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Post by mt10sp on Mar 29, 2020 7:41:20 GMT -7
There are lots of good videos and advice online but here is some mental notes from the Stunt Asylum wheelie school in London on how to pull a wheelie.
Best method with most control is to clutch it up.
Technique:
1. Sit back on the seat
2. Roll the bike forward steadily in 1st gear, relax your arms, knees hug the tank. RELAX!
3. When ready, do a moderate, controlled acceleration (remain in 1st gear) then when the engine approaches the powerband (non-issue for MT10), crack the throttle to half open and quickly and barely twang the clutch lever...
(The engine accelerating in its powerband plus the VERY slight slip of the clutch should be enough to raise the front wheel)
4. Let the bike rev out and the front wheel to come down as the power eases off.
Note1: The clutch twang is very slight, not a fist full of clutch just a little twang. Done correctly you will barely hear the engine note change.
Note2: Think of the clutch lever as the violence dial, the more you pull it in let the engine revs rise and then slam it out, the more violent the launch will be. It really just takes the slightest of pulls to barely allow the clutch plates to momentarily slip.
Note3: Think of the throttle as the height dial, the further you wind it on (its a quick, not slow opening of the throttle) at the start of the throttle + clutch dance, the harder the engine will pull and the higher the front wheel will go. Try to get the wheel up using more throttle, NOT more clutch or you'll need a change of underwear.
Note4: Repeat, repeat, repeat. Pay attention to how much throttle and clutch you used and what the affect was so you learn from each attempt.
Note5: If you're still alive at this point and are reliably getting the front wheel more than a foot off the ground, start covering the back brake and getting used to bringing the wheel down gently with a VERY light touch of the back brake. This essential skill is your safety control that will save you and your bike from flipping when you get a bit too cocky!
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Post by olivierzx on Mar 29, 2020 9:21:45 GMT -7
If you want to make wheelie just with engine don't forget to set TCS to 1 (you'll ve a 40-50 cm automatic wheelie on the 3 first gears) or disable.
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Post by dashiznit1 on Mar 29, 2020 11:33:30 GMT -7
So I've been riding for about 6 years now, first with a CBR500R, then a GSX-S750 now with an MT-10. I suck a wheelies, never been able to do them well. I -can- get them on the 750 with a back break followed by hard throttle, but i can't sustain them. I went out riding yesterday and couldn't ever get the wheel off the ground, either by power wheeling it, or doing the method above.
How are yall accomplishing them?
How heavy are you? They more you weigh the harder it will be to wheelie. For the same reason I've always had a hard time pulling a wheelie on any of my bikes including the mt10. Its hard getting it up in 3rd and it absolutely won't come up on 4th or higher. |
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yockanookany
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Post by yockanookany on Mar 29, 2020 12:01:12 GMT -7
So I've been riding for about 6 years now, first with a CBR500R, then a GSX-S750 now with an MT-10. I suck a wheelies, never been able to do them well. I -can- get them on the 750 with a back break followed by hard throttle, but i can't sustain them. I went out riding yesterday and couldn't ever get the wheel off the ground, either by power wheeling it, or doing the method above.
How are yall accomplishing them?
How heavy are you? They more you weigh the harder it will be to wheelie. For the same reason I've always had a hard time pulling a wheelie on any of my bikes including the mt10. Its hard getting it up in 3rd and it absolutely won't come up on 4th or higher. I'm 6 foot 215. Although probably heavier than that since I haven't been able to hit the gym in a month due to the quarantine. I tried to pull it up yesterday in second and third and didn't get much luck even with TCS set to 1. Gonna play around more today. |
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Post by wodger63 on Mar 29, 2020 14:02:53 GMT -7
Sounds like you're being too easy on the throttle.
I hit the throttle hard initially to pull the front up, then roll it off controlling the height and start changing gears.
The MT has more than enough power to simulate a clutch up wheelie, which is essentially what you're doing when you hit the throttle hard to get it up.
I weight around 230lbs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 16:51:04 GMT -7
I'm not a wheelie guy either (don't see the point, and it's brutal on the suspension). Also prefer to master cornering instead  . But another method is to close the throttle, immediately followed by opening it, when the suspension is rebounding (and pushing the front of the bike up). That method might be better for heavier folks IMO, so try it. And hey, make sure to have sizable funds for bike and health insurance deductibles (you guys have both, right?), plus to replace parts/gear not covered if something goes wrong. Too much risk for the benefit IMO, but to each his own. No need to make motorcycling more dangerous/expensive than it is for me  . |
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Post by dnozzle on Apr 3, 2020 8:35:10 GMT -7
Wait...you can't get the front wheel to come up ...? Even weighing 215 I don't think you should be having a hard time with that. Just have to play around with shifting weight and loading the suspension combined with throttle and or clutch input. It all works harmoniously.
Hell, on my '17 : if I put it in B mode and TC1 - I can do clutch up's in 4th gear if I get physical with it. 3rd gear and below is just non-stop nooners.
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Post by yockanookany on Apr 4, 2020 9:20:58 GMT -7
Wait...you can't get the front wheel to come up ...? Even weighing 215 I don't think you should be having a hard time with that. Just have to play around with shifting weight and loading the suspension combined with throttle and or clutch input. It all works harmoniously. Hell, on my '17 : if I put it in B mode and TC1 - I can do clutch up's in 4th gear if I get physical with it. 3rd gear and below is just non-stop nooners. I got it squared away the other day. I was just babying it too much. Was trying to not kill myself but overdoing the throttle, but it still needs a good bit to get going. |
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Post by chesterburnet on Apr 8, 2020 22:45:09 GMT -7
I put on a K-Tech rear shock and it made it a lot more difficult to lift the front. With the stock shock I was laughing all the time because it came up so easily and unexpectedly. Similar to an open class motocross bike.
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. But another method is to close the throttle, immediately followed by opening it, when the suspension is rebounding (and pushing the front of the bike up). That method might be better for heavier folks IMO, so try it. 
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