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Post by rebobd on Feb 16, 2020 11:00:37 GMT -7
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Post by sfbayrider on Feb 16, 2020 14:23:09 GMT -7
congrats and hello from northern california! Ive been to Chuckwalla a few times: awesome track. third gear (50-110ish) mostly, I'd say. MT-10 will do great there!
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Post by rebobd on Feb 16, 2020 14:56:42 GMT -7
thanks, i've ridden chuckwalla many times. fantastic track. the photos are from inde motorsports in arizona, i'd say my favorite track. thanks for the note. you live in the best street riding part of America. Norcal is amazing. i'm up there a few times a year. epic
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Post by pc1978 on Feb 16, 2020 16:08:49 GMT -7
Congrats and welcome. I’m pretty new here also, just picked up my MT10 about a month ago.
The guy I bought it from is a member here, and was a great guy to buy from, but not sure if he is very active any more. He could probably help you out some if you had some questions, might be able to reach him through his YouTube Channel. He is a track day photographer and had the bike I bought from him set up for some track riding when he was there working, said he also did some instructing there.
He had used FTECU flash. I’m sure there are some other good options for flashes, but if I had to guess the reason he used them is because they also have an aftermarket quickshifter with an auto blipper that you can also purchase if you have their flash. He had it set for GP shift, but can easily go back and forth to standard shifting. He also lowered the handlebars and put R1 rear sets on it (more budget friendly than some of the other options but do have to use the R1 rear master cyclinder). Also put on an R1 front master cylinder.
He had upgraded the suspension, but I didn’t purchase it with those components as I don’t plan on taking it to the track (although it did have an R1 rear shock on it when I bought it).
Couple of his videos on the bike I bought from him:
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Post by rebobd on Feb 16, 2020 17:40:08 GMT -7
Nice footage. He’s movin pretty good. Has the comfort seat I see. Auto blip sounds niiiiiice
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Post by mattemike on Feb 17, 2020 6:10:35 GMT -7
Welcome. My son & I were fortunate to take the YRCS 2 day school @ Laguna Seca . Great time & probably the highlight of my riding life. To think I've ridden on the same track as great 2 wheel champs like Rossi still brings a lot of joy to me.
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Post by rebobd on Feb 17, 2020 8:53:12 GMT -7
Welcome. My son & I were fortunate to take the YRCS 2 day school @ Laguna Seca . Great time & probably the highlight of my riding life. To think I've ridden on the same track as great 2 wheel champs like Rossi still brings a lot of joy to me. nice! it's a fantastic school. glad you enjoyed it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 22:49:28 GMT -7
Hey OP, for that kind of lean angle, what changes did YRCS make on that FZ/MT-10? Stock drags much earlier than that. Even mine, with 1/2-length peg feelers drags relatively early, but that did it for me, since I don't track it. And still handles the same with sport-touring rubber (Road5s vs the sport stock rubber), so less cost of ownership. But for track duty, you need to pretty much change EVERYTHING, so why not just buy an R1 with your experience? I just don't get why try to make an FZ/MT-10 a track bike, when Yamaha already makes a much better one, and it'd probably be cheaper at the end, and still a superior bike, but to each his own . Anyway, I was considering YRCS at IMS this year, but they never answer the freaking phone. Need to know how it's structured, since I saw a video where instructors stop students on every lap, and I don't want that, especially if it's every session. Also how many sessions per day total (there're 7 with SS). Need to book Barber tomorrow, so if YRCS doesn't answer the phone tomorrow, will have to book it there. Welcome to the family.
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Post by rebobd on Feb 18, 2020 8:20:07 GMT -7
Hey OP, for that kind of lean angle, what changes did YRCS make on that FZ/MT-10? Stock drags much earlier than that. Even mine, with 1/2-length peg feelers drags relatively early, but that did it for me, since I don't track it. And still handles the same with sport-touring rubber (Road5s vs the sport stock rubber), so less cost of ownership. But for track duty, you need to pretty much change EVERYTHING, so why not just buy an R1 with your experience? I just don't get why try to make an FZ/MT-10 a track bike, when Yamaha already makes a much better one, and it'd probably be cheaper at the end, and still a superior bike, but to each his own . Anyway, I was considering YRCS at IMS this year, but they never answer the freaking phone. Need to know how it's structured, since I saw a video where instructors stop students on every lap, and I don't want that, especially if it's every session. Also how many sessions per day total (there're 7 with SS). Need to book Barber tomorrow, so if YRCS doesn't answer the phone tomorrow, will have to book it there. Welcome to the family. Hey there! i'm sorry you reached out and no one answered. That is highly unusual for the school. If you send me a private message with yoru phone number i will absolutely make sure someone reaches out today. we'd love to have you at the school and there are spots available at our march/april dates in arizona.
As for the MT 10, the bikes at YCRS are stock. a few of them have an ohlins rear shock as we do a fair amount of 2 up laps with students and that was something we thought would help with the weight of 2 people. as for the foot pegs, they are lower than our other instructor bikes (FZ1s) but the one i was on did not have after market rearsets. I've heard a few folks talking about the pegs scraping on track and i've felt them touch the asphalt a few times so when i get my own i may upgrade that we'll see. in general i find it manageable and it just forces me to use more BP to keep the bike a bit more upright which i don't mind. We run Dunlop Q3 plus tires as dunlop is a sponsor of the school.
I can tell you that i've seen our fast instructors riding the stock MT 10 many times and they are absolutely ripping on it. And while some upgrades would help the bike at the razors edge on track, in my opinion the bike out of the crate is more capable than most of us, including me! As for why someone would get an MT versus an R1, i think alot of it for me anyway comes down to wanting a capable bike on street and track; and since i don't race but can run "A" group pace on this type of bike, the comfort factor outweighs outright performance. Hope that makes sense. My "track" bike the past year has been a bmw s1000XR and i get the same question a lot from people; but in the end i'm a tall/middle aged guy and i'm pretty certain i go quicker on the XR than i would on an RR because i'm comfortable on it. It's also nice to take the tape off the mirrors and ride the same bike into the canyons the day after a track day, on the same street tires.
Anyhoo, thanks for the note and hope to see you at one of our schools!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 13:19:57 GMT -7
Hey brother, thank you for your offer to help. Called yesterday morning, and again, just Ienatsch's voice recorded message. Called IMR directly, and they were there, at the track, but nobody called me back, so we booked with SS. We also had an itinerary already done for another visit to Mr. Dragon after Barber, so left it at that. I don't plan to do any more expensive track schools (already did enough), but if I change my mind, would give YRSC another chance. Thanks for the info on the bike. It obviously doesn't have the feelers (they drag at the least provocation), but guess the bike leans more than I feel it doing. Ha ha. I didn't want to just remove the feelers, since I'm almost sure hard parts would drag before the pegs themselves, but hopefully you can tell us where exactly the bike drags on both sides (very easy to check). I'd greatly appreciate that . I haven't dragged the short ones I put yet, but might consider removing them for extra safety margin, if you report no hard parts drag first. But that limitation keeps me safe, and also being able to do multiple 300+ mile days without fatigue, so this bike is the best compromise for me too . Haven't changed a thing, other than a comfort seat and a slip-on, plus cosmetic stuff. But after riding the S1000RRs at the track, I just don't feel like tracking this one at all; it's not meant for that IMO. And since I'm not a pro, or anything close to that, it's nice not having to worry about dragging anything . I'd MUCH prefer an R6 than my bike at the track, but that's just me. As far as BP, I don't use much on this bike (just the torso a little); it feels weird so upright. Plus you don't want a cop seeing you like that. Ha ha. Anyway, this bike is exactly what I was looking for, to tackle twisty roads in comfort, capability, and style . I'm surprised Yamaha hasn't sold more. Take care.
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Post by rebobd on Feb 22, 2020 10:40:21 GMT -7
Hey brother, thank you for your offer to help. Called yesterday morning, and again, just Ienatsch's voice recorded message. Called IMR directly, and they were there, at the track, but nobody called me back, so we booked with SS. We also had an itinerary already done for another visit to Mr. Dragon after Barber, so left it at that. I don't plan to do any more expensive track schools (already did enough), but if I change my mind, would give YRSC another chance. Thanks for the info on the bike. It obviously doesn't have the feelers (they drag at the least provocation), but guess the bike leans more than I feel it doing. Ha ha. I didn't want to just remove the feelers, since I'm almost sure hard parts would drag before the pegs themselves, but hopefully you can tell us where exactly the bike drags on both sides (very easy to check). I'd greatly appreciate that . I haven't dragged the short ones I put yet, but might consider removing them for extra safety margin, if you report no hard parts drag first. But that limitation keeps me safe, and also being able to do multiple 300+ mile days without fatigue, so this bike is the best compromise for me too . Haven't changed a thing, other than a comfort seat and a slip-on, plus cosmetic stuff. But after riding the S1000RRs at the track, I just don't feel like tracking this one at all; it's not meant for that IMO. And since I'm not a pro, or anything close to that, it's nice not having to worry about dragging anything . I'd MUCH prefer an R6 than my bike at the track, but that's just me. As far as BP, I don't use much on this bike (just the torso a little); it feels weird so upright. Plus you don't want a cop seeing you like that. Ha ha. Anyway, this bike is exactly what I was looking for, to tackle twisty roads in comfort, capability, and style . I'm surprised Yamaha hasn't sold more. Take care. hey there. sorry we missed the chance to teach you. enjoy SS, i've done it in the past. partial to our program at this point but also as long as folks are investing in their riding, i'm happy. i'm pretty confident that with stock pegs the pegs will drag before hard parts. all of our instructors that ride the MT 10 have touched the pegs before body parts so i'd not be too worried about that. as for peg feelers, what can i say, it's the first thing that comes off any bike i buy ;-). I agree you do get an increased level of performance on a true sport bike but we all ride them at our school and at track days and the MT is more than capable on a track. And to be honest, i'm probably quicker on the MT than i would be on a sport bike for the simple reason i'm just more comfortable being tall and middle aged lol, and comfort is a big deal no matter where you ride. Regarding BP, we teach the same techniques no matter what bike you're on, the main difference between sport bikes/naked bikes and whether you're at the track or street is what we call "degree of application." Meaning, we use more BP on track obviously but don't tell our students not to use BP on the street, just less of it and obviously don't recommend the same pace on street vs track! Since i don't race but do a lot of track days and canyon riding, the MT splits the difference for me; can hang in the "A" group at a track day, remove the tape from the mirrors and go riding with my buddies on the street the next day on the same tires. A good plan for my lifestyle . As for changes, i'll probably put on an ohlins rear shock, auto blip/flash/dyno, tail tidy, screen, maybe an ohlins damper, sticky dunlop tires, and some attack performance rearsets for a bit more ground clearance but adjustable as well. gonna be a fun build!
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Post by pc1978 on Feb 22, 2020 11:37:56 GMT -7
I'm almost sure hard parts would drag before the pegs themselves, but hopefully you can tell us where exactly the bike drags on both sides (very easy to check). I'd greatly appreciate that . i'm pretty confident that with stock pegs the pegs will drag before hard parts. all of our instructors that ride the MT 10 have touched the pegs before body parts so i'd not be too worried about that. I don’t think you have to worry about hard parts dragging. The bike I purchased used had R1 rear sets installed (peg feelers removed). If you watch a couple minutes of the second video I linked (rear view video) in my post above, the previous owner has it leaned over pretty hard on the track and the pegs didn’t drag or any hard parts. If you look through his leg when leaned over you can see the frame sliders he had installed. They stick out 2.5” from the furthest out plastic on the bike, other than the front turn signals (but the signals are higher up). There is no wear indication that the pegs, frame sliders, or turn signals have ever touched the ground. Also, copied this photo from one of his previous posts. There are engine guards on and you can see the engine/guards still have clearance at this lean angle.
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Post by rebobd on Feb 22, 2020 12:20:10 GMT -7
i'm pretty confident that with stock pegs the pegs will drag before hard parts. all of our instructors that ride the MT 10 have touched the pegs before body parts so i'd not be too worried about that. I don’t think you have to worry about hard parts dragging. The bike I purchased used had R1 rear sets installed (peg feelers removed). If you watch a couple minutes of the second video I linked (rear view video) in my post above, the previous owner has it leaned over pretty hard on the track and the pegs didn’t drag or any hard parts. If you look through his leg when leaned over you can see the frame sliders he had installed. They stick out 2.5” from the furthest out plastic on the bike, other than the front turn signals (but the signals are higher up). There is no wear indication that the pegs, frame sliders, or turn signals have ever touched the ground. Also, copied this photo from one of his previous posts. There are engine guards on and you can see the engine/guards still have clearance at this lean angle. great photo, and even with the stock pegs, which i had on the original photo i posted, the bike can lean quite a bit and i was not close to touching the stock pegs. i will order rearsets for my personal bike since i did touch them a few times during that day but not in the photo. just really looking for about another 1" and i think i'll get the comfort seat which will raise me a bit so leg room is not compromised. i'm about 6'3". here's another photo of me on the MT last year with stock pegs. think i touched them a bit during that session but you can see the lean angle possible on a stock bike with no drama. good stuff everyone
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 23:52:26 GMT -7
Great to know no hard parts drag on a stock bike without feelers (thank you Pc1978 and Rebobd). But I bet the exhaust can should be pretty close behind, and probably the huge cat box underneath too, and on both sides. At any rate, just no feelers should be absolutely enough for me (just street), so no need to mess with the ergos, or anything else. But for track duty, experienced riders absolutely need rearsets, if only as not to worry about dragging anything (plus track rubber too). Hey Rebobd, looks like you'll need a new rear shock on that bike; rear suspension seems more compressed than the front (bike looks squatted). It'd give you additional clearance too. Finally, you mentioned ordering a 2020. Why not buy a discounted left over 2019 or 2018? Or even better: A pristine used example. If you're going to tune it right away, and void your engine warranty, might as well buy used, and save a bunch of money overall, and not deal with breaking the thing in. They're all exactly the same thing (sans colors), after all. Just a thought . Good luck, brother.
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Post by rebobd on Feb 28, 2020 9:48:43 GMT -7
Great to know no hard parts drag on a stock bike without feelers (thank you Pc1978 and Rebobd). But I bet the exhaust can should be pretty close behind, and probably the huge cat box underneath too, and on both sides. At any rate, just no feelers should be absolutely enough for me (just street), so no need to mess with the ergos, or anything else. But for track duty, experienced riders absolutely need rearsets, if only as not to worry about dragging anything (plus track rubber too). Hey Rebobd, looks like you'll need a new rear shock on that bike; rear suspension seems more compressed than the front (bike looks squatted). It'd give you additional clearance too. Finally, you mentioned ordering a 2020. Why not buy a discounted left over 2019 or 2018? Or even better: A pristine used example. If you're going to tune it right away, and void your engine warranty, might as well buy used, and save a bunch of money overall, and not deal with breaking the thing in. They're all exactly the same thing (sans colors), after all. Just a thought . Good luck, brother. i'll post photos of my new bike when i'm done adding some goodies but a rear shock is definitely on the list. steering damper, auto blip, screen and tail tidy, and rearsets. comfort seat to raise me up a small amount. will keep the front forks stock for now, they work pretty darn well. as for a new versus used bike, i prefer to buy my motorcycles new, i know economically it makes no sense but hey, that's me. picked it up this week, here it is before the build starts.
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Post by 3lseeker on Feb 28, 2020 10:15:19 GMT -7
Good Choice....you are gonna Love It!
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Post by hooli on Mar 1, 2021 8:02:01 GMT -7
An ecu flash generally does not void the warranty.
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Post by willl84 on Mar 1, 2021 11:06:39 GMT -7
Great to know no hard parts drag on a stock bike without feelers (thank you Pc1978 and Rebobd). But I bet the exhaust can should be pretty close behind, and probably the huge cat box underneath too, and on both sides. At any rate, just no feelers should be absolutely enough for me (just street), so no need to mess with the ergos, or anything else. But for track duty, experienced riders absolutely need rearsets, if only as not to worry about dragging anything (plus track rubber too). Hey Rebobd, looks like you'll need a new rear shock on that bike; rear suspension seems more compressed than the front (bike looks squatted). It'd give you additional clearance too. Finally, you mentioned ordering a 2020. Why not buy a discounted left over 2019 or 2018? Or even better: A pristine used example. If you're going to tune it right away, and void your engine warranty, might as well buy used, and save a bunch of money overall, and not deal with breaking the thing in. They're all exactly the same thing (sans colors), after all. Just a thought . Good luck, brother. i'll post photos of my new bike when i'm done adding some goodies but a rear shock is definitely on the list. steering damper, auto blip, screen and tail tidy, and rearsets. comfort seat to raise me up a small amount. will keep the front forks stock for now, they work pretty darn well. as for a new versus used bike, i prefer to buy my motorcycles new, i know economically it makes no sense but hey, that's me. picked it up this week, here it is before the build starts. The factory steering damper is electrically connected to the bike's harness. An ecu flash generally does not void the warranty. It sure can.
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Post by hooli on Mar 1, 2021 15:03:34 GMT -7
Depends on the shop. A couple around here gave the okay.
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