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Post by Cruizin on Oct 4, 2016 13:18:40 GMT -7
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she3pdog
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Post by she3pdog on Oct 4, 2016 13:51:22 GMT -7
Wow. Almost makes me wish I would've held out. I bet it will be quite a bit pricier though.
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Post by Cruizin on Oct 4, 2016 14:41:36 GMT -7
It will be alot more expensive, I'm guessing $17,999 but I dont care. I want that suspension and guages and wheels.
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Post by coyote on Oct 4, 2016 14:42:07 GMT -7
Love that colour instrumentation panel,it looks fantastic. Not a big fan of the body colour/scheme and not sure either about that electronic suspension. When i first saw it this morning,my reaction was like "Damn it!! I should of waited" then i thought about it and in the end i dont regret at all owning a regular black -10.
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Post by baron on Oct 4, 2016 15:55:40 GMT -7
I wonder if the gas gauge will actually be functional
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Post by guywithfz10 on Oct 4, 2016 16:05:01 GMT -7
Colored gauge is really the only thing I would personally want from it. Next year's MT-10 is going to come with quickshifter as standard. I wish Yamaha included quickshifter in for this year's models too. I feel like there was any reason not to have it from the factory.
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Post by gluemonster on Oct 12, 2016 6:10:49 GMT -7
I saw a post on the mt10 forum that the someone in Europe made a deposit on a new SP and it was 3000 euros more. If that's true it will probably be around $16K if they bring it to the US. I almost bought a regular FZ10 the other day but decided to wait till all the new bikes come out and now I'm glad I did. I would have spent at least half that upgrading the stock suspension with a new shock and revalving the front forks to make them work well for the kind of riding I like to do. I'm going to my US Yamaha dealer and see if they can take a deposit on one!!!!
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Post by stoltecmoto on Oct 12, 2016 7:17:35 GMT -7
Surely, it'll be interesting to see what price point this hits at. If it's truly more than $4k over the base MSRP, it'd be tough to justify unless you just have to have the color scheme.
The dash is nice, but personally speaking, I don't need it. Yamaha used this so they could interface with the electronic suspension.
The remap could be a nice refinement over the base model, but again, depending on cost (and your local laws and regulations) you could just remap on your own for a few hundred.
Electronic suspension is a novel idea, but in most cases, it hasn't proved it's worth. Although good in theory, many of the early adopters (both models and the owners of those models) have experienced failures of various components. Rest assured, these failures are not inexpensive. Furthermore, constantly adjusting damping is great (and ideal in a perfect world). But in that perfect world, you'd still need the right spring rates underneath you to carry YOUR load. Yamaha's spring rates won't work for everyone, and no, electronic suspension cannot adjust the spring rate. So, depending on your weight, riding style, and riding conditions, plan on re-springing both ends of your ES bike. While you're at it, be aware that adjusting spring rates will also require global adjustments to damping settings. Time will tell how well the system can adapt (or be adjusted) to suit these sorts of changes.
Personally, I would have rathered that Yamaha use the R1's magnesium wheels to save unsprung/rotational weight, and/or upgraded the non-ES suspension. Same with the brakes. Most owners would pay a premium to get braided ss brake lines, better pads, and a radial master cylinder. Heck, they could have swapped the steel subframe and banana seat for the R1's tail section for those who care less about comfort and carrying passengers. As it stands, it feels like this bike is pure marketing hype aimed squarely at maintaining market share against the Euro super nakeds.
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Post by gluemonster on Oct 12, 2016 8:07:00 GMT -7
I agree on some points but my experiences with Ohlin's (full set on my GSXR track bike) is that they might not be perfect but they are much much better than stock components. Yes electronic suspension is still in it's infancy but it is the future so I'm willing to give it a try knowing Ohlin's stuff is usually well thought out and easy to upgrade as they make improvements, may be just reflashing the SCU. I know I would have to change springs (looking at the press photo of the rear shock it has a 90 Ohlin's spring which is way soft for my 200 pound ride weight, I'm thinking a 100 spring would be close and who knows about the fork springs)at a minimum. I defiantly agree on the brake upgrades and wheels.
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Post by gluemonster on Oct 12, 2016 23:40:18 GMT -7
I've been doing some more reading on the Ohlin's electronic suspension and found this article about the R1M ohlinsnews.com/index.php/issues-7-9/issue-7/197-03-oehlins-yamaha-yzf-r1m which makes me wonder if the SP is getting the 6 axis monitoring controller as well which would be awesome. It's a very interesting article which states that the forks and shock are standard Ohlin's products with servos added basically to turn the dampening adjusters which connects to their SCU (suspension control unit) that plugs into the bikes ECU. The unit can also be run in a manual mode which would make it function as a standard shock/fork would. Another interesting fact is that the article says Ohlin's was owned by Yamaha at one point, I didn't know that.
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Post by stoltecmoto on Oct 13, 2016 5:48:50 GMT -7
Ohlins was partially owned by Yamaha for a period of time. There've been various claims as to how much of share they held, but it was a majority stake...
There hasn't been much information on how much data the IMU will provide, so it's hard to say right now if it's the same as the R1M or not. But as I mentioned above, it'll be interested to see if they tuned the system for the FZ-10 or just lifted it off the R1M. The R1M was widely regarded as too harsh for the street. And yet, most racers removed the ES and replaced with high end analog gear.
There truly isn't a lot of data out there on the R1M's performance in a dedicated street environment, so this will be a trial by fire sort of thing.
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Post by gluemonster on Oct 13, 2016 7:53:21 GMT -7
Yeah we'll have to wait and see, I'm hoping they tune it more for the street which I think they are smart enough to do. I was glad to hear that they can be revalved with standard parts so it can be changed although it will cost you.
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Post by deftone on Oct 17, 2016 3:32:32 GMT -7
I agree with Stoltec on the Magnesium wheels. They should have been part of the SP package. Still pretty cool. I hope the Price is right.
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