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Post by techsniffer on Mar 23, 2019 19:45:26 GMT -7
Picked up my new 2018 MT-10 Yesterday from the dealership, I love the bike. But I have some early complaints and I hope someone might know of possible solutions that I can look into as I'm not overly family with possible solutions to my complaints. - Seat - Yet another horribly built uncomfortable stock seat, comfortable for about 10 minutes then a pain in the a... . I ordered the Corbin before I even left the dealership. I knew this would likely need to be purchased as I'm a bigger guy.
- Wrist and Palm Pain after several hours of riding - Unsure if this is something that might go away once I've acclimated to the bike, but I feel like I'm having to lean more forward than I would like and the wrist and hand discomfort will need a remedy if it doesn't go away. I was thinking something like some risers? to put the bar a little higher and maybe back a bit? I know there isn't a lot of wiggle room before the bars hit the tank but I was hoping someone here may have solved that issue for themselves. As for the hand/palm pain maybe some foam style grip covers?
- I have to tippy toe - I knew before I bought the bike that I couldn't flat foot both feet from my demo ride 8 months ago. I do not want to sacrifice how the bike handles or performance in any way, but maybe someone has a possible solution? My biggest issue isn't the normal driving and stopping, its the ability to maneuver the bike when not under power. IE I can't get enough foot grip to back my bike into my own garage due to that little lip that leads into the garage without a push or getting off the bike and pushing it backward, which is also equally awkward. Any suggestions?
Don't get me wrong, I love the bike and it's going to be with me for a while yet to come, but I need to try and find a solution for these few things, I hope someone can help.
Thanks again all!
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Post by Kameo on Mar 24, 2019 1:28:16 GMT -7
Re_wrist n palm pain. Had mine 3 years , 25,000 on the ODO. The wrist pain and numbing in the right hand was initially a big problem for me. I remember looking at getting a sock cover to make the grip bigger but didn’t end up changing anything and after 1 year the problem went away.
Now at 46 (3rd year with mt10) I’ve got bad tennis elbow made so much worse whenever I ride - 7months now ! The most repetitive thing I do is ride and almost all my K’s are with a pillion so I’m thinking I’ve gotta do something now before it’s completely f....d.
Even though the wrist pain seemed to go away for me, the fact I got pain where others did not may suggest a problem waiting to surface. Not sure bout you but I have xl hands so grip covers to increase thickness might help....a more relaxed grip, less tension, better blood flow...?
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Post by jroc on Mar 24, 2019 7:53:05 GMT -7
Congrats on the new ride! Seat: Good choice on the Corbin. Which one did you go with? I seriously considered the Gunfighter and Lady, but found a Yamaha comfort seat for cheap (2nd hand) . Wrist & palm pain: I have pain/discomfort over time if I'm putting too much pressure on the handlebars. If I use more core/legs for support, I'm able to really lighten up on my hands. Techspec (or Stompgrip) tank/side grips offer SIGNIFICANT more control for your legs to help with this. I have the same color as your bike with Techspec installed that you can see here: fz10.org/thread/2544/jrocs-rideBike height issue: I wouldn't buy or change anything on the bike for this, unless it was for a suspension tuning purpose. Thinking about it, I typically only have one foot down as I'm usually covering the rear brake or ready to shift into gear. Even shorter riders should be able to flatfoot a single foot. Just move your butt slightly to the side with one foot down and lean the bike a little... I just went out into the garage and tested moving the bike with a single foot. It was pretty easy. You should try that or just don't back it into the garage
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Post by techsniffer on Mar 24, 2019 8:22:26 GMT -7
Re_wrist n palm pain. Had mine 3 years , 25,000 on the ODO. The wrist pain and numbing in the right hand was initially a big problem for me. I remember looking at getting a sock cover to make the grip bigger but didn’t end up changing anything and after 1 year the problem went away. Now at 46 (3rd year with mt10) I’ve got bad tennis elbow made so much worse whenever I ride - 7months now ! The most repetitive thing I do is ride and almost all my K’s are with a pillion so I’m thinking I’ve gotta do something now before it’s completely f....d. Even though the wrist pain seemed to go away for me, the fact I got pain where others did not may suggest a problem waiting to surface. Not sure bout you but I have xl hands so grip covers to increase thickness might help....a more relaxed grip, less tension, better blood flow...? I loosened the clutch cable up a bit so I don't have to squeeze so hard, maybe that will help with my left palm hurting. If not I'll look into some different grips or at least some foam grips for the handles to make them a bit bulkier, I also wear an XL Alpinestars glove. As for the wrists, I'm unsure if that will go away as I get used to the bike. Congrats on the new ride! Seat: Good choice on the Corbin. Which one did you go with? I seriously considered the Gunfighter and Lady, but found a Yamaha comfort seat for cheap (2nd hand) . Wrist & palm pain: I find pain/discomfort over time if I'm putting too much pressure on the handlebars. If I use more core/legs for support, I'm able to really lighten up on my hands. Techspec (or Stompgrip) tank/side grips offer SIGNIFICANT more control for your legs to help with this. I have the same color as your bike with Techspec installed that you can see here: fz10.org/thread/2544/jrocs-rideBike height issue: I wouldn't buy or change anything on the bike for this, unless it was for a suspension tuning purpose. Thinking about it, I typically only have one foot down as I'm usually covering the rear brake or ready to shift into gear. Even shorter riders should be able to flatfoot a single foot. Just move your butt slightly to the side with one foot down and lean the bike a little... I just went out into the garage and tested moving the bike with a single foot. It was pretty easy. You should try that or just don't back it into the garage I went with the Gunfighter & Lady for the Corbin seat, but I knew this is a bike I will be riding for years, so it was worth the investment. I've heard a lot of mixed feelings on the Yamaha comfort seat and the price difference between the Yamaha and Corbin was small enough that I went ahead and went for Corbin and I got a 10% discount through my dealership which brought it to $488 total. As for using my core/legs I was actually trying to do that more yesterday to help lighten the load of my girth on my wrists and maybe over time that will be second nature, but right now it's not, and as I said I'm about 285 @5'11" so I think I might need to bring the bars a bit up some and maybe towards me a little. I'll give it a few weeks to see if I can adjust my body more to help alleviate the issue. I looked at the tank pads you mentioned, bit pricey for some pads. Not sure if I'm sold on the look but I will consider it, seems a shame to cover that sexy Yamaha Blue lol. The height issue, I do not want to change the bike if I can help it as I know that comes with a cost of handling and performance and I don't want to do that. But being able to back the bike up in tight spaces or limited area is a problem and I'm sure it won't just impact my backing into my garage. The first day I pulled into a gas station to grab a drink and my foot landed on some sand and slipped and I almost dropped it, this would have been avoided had I been able to make a better contact patch with my foot. I know, this is some 1st world problems here, but I have to believe I'm not the only one having it and someone far smarter than I has figured out a solution lol.
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Post by nightshade on Mar 24, 2019 9:02:06 GMT -7
Not sure how familiar you are with sport bikes but you need the height for ground clearance in the twisties. Im coming from mostly harleys and it is a little unsettling to not flatfoot. But the best advice i can give is just get off the bike man. Dont try to waddle when backing up, just hop off and maneuver the bike.
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Post by evitzee on Mar 24, 2019 9:21:47 GMT -7
Seats are dependent on the individual, the stock seat is fine for me since my rides are under 150 miles. Others cry uncle at 10 miles.
Wrist pain? Lighten up and relax, many people are too tense and grip too hard and lock their upper arms. And use that cruise control, it helps. This bike is very neutral in its seating position, give it some time.
My inseam is only 29" but have no problem with the height, I just lean lean the bike slightly when coming to a stop and plant one foot firmly on the ground. If I have to move the bike backwards I'll get off and push it or just use one foot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 15:41:40 GMT -7
Hey OP, if you're short of inseam, you made a mistake with the Corbin; it's WAAAAY higher than either stock or comfort. Just look at it; hopefully you won't be disappointed. I also found the stock seat crap, but even before putting a foot over the seat, I decided to replace it due to that awful wart. I also have an issue with handlebar vibes, but they're probably the best (as in least worse) of any inline-4 bike, so the Grab-on MC-401 grips pretty much solved that issue for me, and they fit and look great. But as mentioned, you have to make sure you're not gripping the bars too hard. Finally, if you find a problem with the riding position of our bike, you need a cruiser. Ha ha. It's pretty much as upright as it gets. It just has a slight lean forward, which I really need to avoid back pain. Good luck.
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Post by techsniffer on Mar 24, 2019 16:23:55 GMT -7
Corbin seats take your inseam in mind when making your seat, and I've spoken with other people and they say once broken in the height is really a non-issue. I ordered some Grip Puppies off Amazon today and see if that helps at all, if it does I'll look into better grips, I just wanted a cheap option to test with. I took a few hour ride today and tried to put more focus on using my core and my legs to have a better position on the bike and take some pressure off my wrists, it helped but I think if I can get some risers that lift the bar up about an inch then I think that will make a world of difference and let me sit a bit more neutral/upright and allow me to go on long rides without issue.
Even if the Corbin is higher, it's a small price to pay for being able to ride this bike for much longer periods of time before my backside is screaming for a break. As I said the normal riding, stopping at lights, and everything else is a non-issue, my only issue is really in backing the bike up. I even managed to back the bike in today without getting off using a little push and some well-timed front braking. I know some of these things will likely go away given time (IE the back soreness, soreness in the legs/knees) that come with a new bike, riding position etc. I came from a cruiser (Honda Rebel 500 ABS), not my cup of tea I gave it a year and the whole time I was just waiting to get something more to my liking) So telling me to get a cruiser can stop, don't discourage someone from asking for options on how to make the bike they love more comfortable for them to ride.
I know there is a solution out there to tackle my little hiccups, I have zero intention of getting rid of this bike for a while to come. I am patient and I'm confident that with all the people here, someone will have a perfect suggestion, or if I'm lucky, I might stumble upon a great solution I can share with the group. I had a more 'spirited' (as seems to be the common name given here) ride today and you couldn't wipe the smile away from my face. I can't wait to start adding bits and bobs to make this MT-10 the perfect ride for me!
As for some of my details, I have a 30 inseam, longer torso, and average arm lengths which leaves me a bit out of the 'normal' proportions that Yamaha sees as the 'average' rider. That's ok, the FZ/MT lines have a thousand and one mods to choose from and I couldn't be happier about that fact, I just gotta find what'll work for my needs.
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Post by fitzdrew516 on Mar 25, 2019 5:19:46 GMT -7
I had major wrist pain when I first got my FZ, but it wasn't from leaning weight on the bars. What i noticed, for me at least, was that my wrist wasn't in a straight line when resting on the clutch side. This makes it super uncomfortable after you pull the clutch in and out a few times. I just loosened the whole assembly and rotated it on the bars and I've never had a problem since. Hopefully this is your issue, because it's an easy fix!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 11:27:50 GMT -7
Well, grip puppies are 5" long, so you'll have to cut them... which doesn't look nice, as careful as you might be. The Grip-ons are exactly the same thing, but the model I gave you is cut to exactly the right length (4-1/4), so they look factory. And I was just saying if you can't make the FZ/MT-10 work for you, then only cruisers have more relaxed ergos. No need to get offended man, but I guess I need to me more sensitive for thin-skinned people here . Sorry. The issue with Corbin is their base; it's much higher than stock, and you can clearly see that on any side picture (I'd say it's about 2" higher than stock; looks HUGE). For them to make it like stock, you'd have to be sitting on the base, defeating the purpose, but hope I'm wrong. Also keep in mind the higher the seat, the more angle on your back, also defeating your goal of decreasing it. Anyway, Sargent should be out with their seat at any time now, if not already; that'd be the only other choice for inseam-challenged riders like us. I'm very happy with the OEM comfort seat. It's not perfect, but on a motorcycle, nothing is, and I've been riding for decades, and owned over 2 dozen bikes. I've owned 2 Corbins before, and they're like a rock for my paltry 160 lbs, so haven't bought another in a while. My aftermarket preference has been Sargent, but they didn't have a seat out when I bought my bike, so went for the comfort one, and it's quite decent. I routinely stand on the pegs, which sometimes I do literally, but most of the time just like an inch off the seat, to both exercise the legs and give my bottom a break, to extend comfort. When I get fatigued much quicker is in the heat, so need to look at better clothing alternatives too. Good luck.
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Post by mkuszek on Mar 26, 2019 18:01:33 GMT -7
My comfort sear brought me up an inch. I am afraid the Corbin may bring you up 2 inches. If you can't live with the corbin send it back or sell it and get the comfort seat. It's great. I solved that height problem for my wife by buying some boots with thick heels and soles. Her boots add about 2" total to her height. They are cruiser boots not sport boots and my short riding partner has been using them for years.
All the suggestion by other's are great but no one said to try some brand name gloves with a gel pad built into them or thicker leather. Maybe you just need some quality gloves $$?
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Post by techsniffer on Mar 26, 2019 18:40:43 GMT -7
Well, grip puppies are 5" long, so you'll have to cut them... which doesn't look nice, as careful as you might be. The Grip-ons are exactly the same thing, but the model I gave you is cut to exactly the right length (4-1/4), so they look factory. And I was just saying if you can't make the FZ/MT-10 work for you, then only cruisers have more relaxed ergos. No need to get offended man, but I guess I need to me more sensitive for thin-skinned people here . Sorry. The issue with Corbin is their base; it's much higher than stock, and you can clearly see that on any side picture (I'd say it's about 2" higher than stock; looks HUGE). For them to make it like stock, you'd have to be sitting on the base, defeating the purpose, but hope I'm wrong. Also keep in mind the higher the seat, the more angle on your back, also defeating your goal of decreasing it. Anyway, Sargent should be out with their seat at any time now, if not already; that'd be the only other choice for inseam-challenged riders like us. I'm very happy with the OEM comfort seat. It's not perfect, but on a motorcycle, nothing is, and I've been riding for decades, and owned over 2 dozen bikes. I've owned 2 Corbins before, and they're like a rock for my paltry 160 lbs, so haven't bought another in a while. My aftermarket preference has been Sargent, but they didn't have a seat out when I bought my bike, so went for the comfort one, and it's quite decent. I routinely stand on the pegs, which sometimes I do literally, but most of the time just like an inch off the seat, to both exercise the legs and give my bottom a break, to extend comfort. When I get fatigued much quicker is in the heat, so need to look at better clothing alternatives too. Good luck. Not sure why you bother to give a back-handed apology then move forward with calling me thin-skinned. Maybe take less time trying to discourage people from their purchases and more time just being helpful. I've seen your pattern in your other posts, please stop.
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Post by techsniffer on Mar 26, 2019 18:44:09 GMT -7
My comfort sear brought me up an inch. I am afraid the Corbin may bring you up 2 inches. If you can't live with the corbin send it back or sell it and get the comfort seat. It's great. I solved that height problem for my wife by buying some boots with thick heels and soles. Her boots add about 2" total to her height. They are cruiser boots not sport boots and my short riding partner has been using them for years.
All the suggestion by other's are great but no one said to try some brand name gloves with a gel pad built into them or thicker leather. Maybe you just need some quality gloves $$?
I'm not too worried about it, I'll manage. I've been using my full leather, waterproof gloves which are pretty thick, but my summer gloves are some A* perf mesh that I love. The grip puppies give me a larger grip which has helped and I think the writs pain will subside as I ride more and acclimate to the bike.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 23:22:55 GMT -7
Not sure why you bother to give a back-handed apology then move forward with calling me thin-skinned. Maybe take less time trying to discourage people from their purchases and more time just being helpful. I've seen your pattern in your other posts, please stop. I called it like it is (even if you don't accept it). And yes, I was trying to help (gave you a specific brand/model of grips, and you have to be blind to not notice the Corbin seat being much higher than stock, as others pointed out as well). At any rate, it's impossible to argue with unreasonable people, so you're officially on my ignore list after this post. And if you're so offended by my posts, I suggest you do the same, for the benefit of the forum. Cheers.
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Post by techsniffer on Mar 29, 2019 5:29:02 GMT -7
Not sure why you bother to give a back-handed apology then move forward with calling me thin-skinned. Maybe take less time trying to discourage people from their purchases and more time just being helpful. I've seen your pattern in your other posts, please stop. I called it like it is (even if you don't accept it). And yes, I was trying to help (gave you a specific brand/model of grips, and you have to be blind to not notice the Corbin seat being much higher than stock, as others pointed out as well). At any rate, it's impossible to argue with unreasonable people, so you're officially on my ignore list after this post. And if you're so offended by my posts, I suggest you do the same, for the benefit of the forum. Cheers. It's a shame that there are people like this on every forum. Rather than intelligent discussion they chose to be disrespectful and petty.
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Post by techsniffer on Mar 29, 2019 13:12:41 GMT -7
Wrist & palm pain: I have pain/discomfort over time if I'm putting too much pressure on the handlebars. If I use more core/legs for support, I'm able to really lighten up on my hands. Techspec (or Stompgrip) tank/side grips offer SIGNIFICANT more control for your legs to help with this. I have the same color as your bike with Techspec installed that you can see here: fz10.org/thread/2544/jrocs-ride I ordered the Techspec today, I wish they had a clear variant as I hate covering my color, but I want some more side grip and I already started to notice some micro scratches from my riding jacket and I dont want them to get worse. This week I put on the Vagabond Fender Elim, RAM mount, and the MRA windscreen installed. I think I'll get the evotech rad/oil covers next week and I'm still considering some bar risers as well.
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Post by dndfindley on Mar 29, 2019 22:11:47 GMT -7
Picked up my new 2018 MT-10 Yesterday from the dealership, I love the bike. But I have some early complaints and I hope someone might know of possible solutions that I can look into as I'm not overly family with possible solutions to my complaints. - Seat - Yet another horribly built uncomfortable stock seat, comfortable for about 10 minutes then a pain in the a... . I ordered the Corbin before I even left the dealership. I knew this would likely need to be purchased as I'm a bigger guy.
- Wrist and Palm Pain after several hours of riding - Unsure if this is something that might go away once I've acclimated to the bike, but I feel like I'm having to lean more forward than I would like and the wrist and hand discomfort will need a remedy if it doesn't go away. I was thinking something like some risers? to put the bar a little higher and maybe back a bit? I know there isn't a lot of wiggle room before the bars hit the tank but I was hoping someone here may have solved that issue for themselves. As for the hand/palm pain maybe some foam style grip covers?
- I have to tippy toe - I knew before I bought the bike that I couldn't flat foot both feet from my demo ride 8 months ago. I do not want to sacrifice how the bike handles or performance in any way, but maybe someone has a possible solution? My biggest issue isn't the normal driving and stopping, its the ability to maneuver the bike when not under power. IE I can't get enough foot grip to back my bike into my own garage due to that little lip that leads into the garage without a push or getting off the bike and pushing it backward, which is also equally awkward. Any suggestions?
Don't get me wrong, I love the bike and it's going to be with me for a while yet to come, but I need to try and find a solution for these few things, I hope someone can help.
Thanks again all!
Don't take this the wrong way but IMO you bought the wrong bike. Don't get me wrong - the FZ-10/MT-10 is a great bike. I have a 2017 FZ-10 and I love it. However you now have the bike so you have to make the best of it. As to the seat I thought it was too hard at the beginning as well. I put off buying a replacement and before you know it I found the stock seat to be comfortable. I have no plans to ever change it.
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Post by dndfindley on Mar 29, 2019 22:13:05 GMT -7
Don't take this the wrong way but IMO you bought the wrong bike. Don't get me wrong - the FZ-10/MT-10 is a great bike. I have a 2017 FZ-10 and I love it. However you now have the bike so you have to make the best of it. As to the seat I thought it was too hard at the beginning as well. I put off buying a replacement and before you know it I found the stock seat to be comfortable. I have no plans to ever change it.
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Post by techsniffer on Mar 30, 2019 9:38:34 GMT -7
Don't take this the wrong way but IMO you bought the wrong bike. Don't get me wrong - the FZ-10/MT-10 is a great bike. I have a 2017 FZ-10 and I love it. However you now have the bike so you have to make the best of it. As to the seat I thought it was too hard at the beginning as well. I put off buying a replacement and before you know it I found the stock seat to be comfortable. I have no plans to ever change it. I'm afraid I still can't understand how anyone is coming to the conclusion that I bought the wrong bike. I love the bike but I don't understand how me wanting to change a few things for my comfort means I have the wrong bike. I think it's a silly assumption to make based off some very minor issues I have, and none of them I considered deal breakers when buying the bike because I knew there are solutions out there that can easily and cheaply remedy them. By this same logic everyone that mods their bikes at all 'bought the wrong bike', and to be clear, at no point was I looking for validation on my purchase but simply sourcing potential solutions to minor comfort issues. I'm glad you find the stock seat comfortable, but you are not everyone, and there are many thousands of people out there that buy a comfort or Corbin seat to replace it because they find the stock seat to be lacking in comfort for them.
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