3genx
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Post by 3genx on Feb 25, 2019 19:59:42 GMT -7
WARNING!!! DANGEROUS STEERING LOCK SITUATION - I have a 2019 with about 50 miles on it. There were times I noticed a little "catch" or "notch" in the steering, but I could always get the bars to turn fully in either direction, and then that little "catch or notch" feeling would disappear. That was a bit of a warning sign, which I should have taken more seriously at the time. Then one day I was about to go for a ride and started to pull out of the gararge and immediately stopped when I sensed the steering wouldn't go past center as I tried turning it from left to right. I had just under 50% of the range of motion it should've had. I shined a light around the steering column to see if I could figure what was holding it up, but I was hurried and didn't see the problem, so I tried searching the web to see if this was an issue. The only thing I found was a post on FZ10.org about a guy who went off a cliff about 2 years ago and stated that he thought the steering had locked up on him. People said he was crazy and blamed it on "fixation". I put the bike away until I had time to take another look today. I gave the bars a very hard push and felt something give way. I gave things a better look this time and found the problem hiding in plain sight! There is a loose bolt wedged in there where it doesn't belong. There is no way in hell that that bolt was set in there by me or anyone in my household. I'm 100% confident that it was loose in there, just as you see it now, when I picked it up from the dealership. This easily could have locked up on me when I was riding. Gents, go check your steering columns, and I welcome any advice you have on how you think I should handle things with Yamaha when the dealership opens tomorrow morning. Meanwhile, I'm trying to find the guy who went off the cliff on his MT-10.
 
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Post by papawheelie on Feb 25, 2019 20:08:34 GMT -7
Hi. Welcome to the forum, and thank you for sharing!
Some good photos, from a couple different angles, would be super helpful.
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3genx
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Post by 3genx on Feb 25, 2019 20:09:10 GMT -7
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Post by thefinn on Feb 26, 2019 1:24:46 GMT -7
Damn... Thats really dangerous indeed.
This could be a dealer fault, as the bike does need some bolting when its shipped brand new. I cant imagine yamaha missing such a major fault when checking for manufacturing defects in the factory.
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3genx
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Post by 3genx on Feb 26, 2019 5:53:18 GMT -7
I posted this in the MT-10 facebook group and guy from Singapore has chimed in saying he found a stray bolt in the same place. I'm trying to get more information from him. I don't know if it caused him to lock up or if it did any damage.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Feb 26, 2019 23:56:47 GMT -7
I dunno about the issue at hand, but that dude that went off that cliff was definitely in over his head. There were numerous signs that he was riding above his ability and that looked like classic target fixation.
Anyway thanks for posting. Always good to be made aware of stuff like this, no matter how rare it may be.
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Post by thefinn on Feb 27, 2019 0:49:34 GMT -7
I agree with redandblack.
If the seering would lock up mid corner, you would high or lowside as the front wheel cant balance itself out anymore. The bike would not stand itself up in such a controlled manner, if it was standing up it would be in the form of a highside.
He was riding faster than his huardian angel could fly. There was nothing wrong with the bike.
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Post by ikranmakto on Feb 27, 2019 4:13:24 GMT -7
Yep, I'm with the above ^, you can actually see in the video the point where he grabs the front brake, this will automatically make the bike stand up. From there on it was all over red rover. The fact remains that he was going in to a corner with loose debris way too hot. At that speed on a sweeping bend there is not a lot of steering required in cornering, more of pushing down on your bars. As thefinn and RedAndBlack mentioned, poor target fixation and jammed steering would not make the bike stand up. Anyways thats my two cents worth. Good news is the guy lived to ride again. |
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Post by thefinn on Feb 27, 2019 5:12:44 GMT -7
The guy actually vowed never to ride a motorcycle again (according to news sites). Might be a good thing since his reaction was to put the blame on the bike, not himself.
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Post by achrista on Feb 27, 2019 14:16:13 GMT -7
Good heads up, but I totally agree with everyone who says the two events are unrelated.
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Post by redgecko59 on Feb 27, 2019 14:57:15 GMT -7
I was thinking about this while looking at mine today. I wonder if that is the remains of the break off security bolt they use to hold the ignition?
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Post by hooli on Feb 27, 2019 21:57:04 GMT -7
I read this on the MT-10 FB forum. The OP has come to the conclusion that the bolt is from the shipping cage...it possibly fell into that area when the bike was initially uncrated by a careless mechanic.
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Post by fzsea on Mar 15, 2019 6:33:05 GMT -7
I used to let people work on my vehicles until I found some things in the engine bay of a 4runner, and no oil after a change, transfer case fill bolt missing....point being, check out your rig from time to time. It pays off, as can be seen by this thread. Scary? Yup. Uncommon? Not even close. People make mistakes, all of us included, but underpaid and sometimes under qualified people....well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 9:44:19 GMT -7
Yep, you're WAAAAAY less likely to make a mistake on your own rig  . And also way more likely to spend the time to make the job right. It's not that most techs don't know how to do the job IMO (especially the easy ones, like oil changes), but the way the system works. It's rigged against the interests of vehicle owners: everybody makes more money the quicker the job is made. Unless that changes (highly unlikely), I just don't trust any dealer. Maintaining my vehicles to me is like brushing my teeth; even if you don't like it, it has to be done for your own good, so might as well enjoy it. Or at least don't b*tch about it. Ha ha. I actually like working on my vehicles. And you know it was done right, gives you a feeling of security, plus a nice sense of accomplishment. |
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Post by 3lseeker on Apr 28, 2019 18:23:24 GMT -7
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. And also way more likely to spend the time to make the job right. It's not that most techs don't know how to do the job IMO (especially the easy ones, like oil changes), but the way the system works. It's rigged against the interests of vehicle owners: everybody makes more money the quicker the job is made. Unless that changes (highly unlikely), I just don't trust any dealer. Maintaining my vehicles to me is like brushing my teeth; even if you don't like it, it has to be done for your own good, so might as well enjoy it. Or at least don't b*tch about it. Ha ha. I actually like working on my vehicles. And you know it was done right, gives you a feeling of security, plus a nice sense of accomplishment. 
