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Post by techsniffer on Feb 22, 2019 22:09:14 GMT -7
I've been thinking about picking up an MT-10 for about 9 months now, and I think it might be finally time to pull the trigger on it. I'm looking at a brand new 2018 Blue/Grey (I'm not keen on the 2019 color lineup) setup and probably order a Corbin Gunfighter & Lady seat while I'm at it.
I'm coming from a 2018 Honda Rebel 500 ABS, so this will be a welcomed upgrade to a great starter bike. I was hoping I could get some feedback from owners on what their favorite thing about the MT-10 is, or your biggest complaint. I took some demo rides when Yamaha came to a local dealership this past summer and I fell in love.
Aside from the seat, I was looking at possible windscreens and the stock and few Puig's I've seen aren't very inspiring, at least not the pics they post of them. The other is probably a slip on, but I have no idea what sounds the best.... ideally I could get the sweet growl that comes from the MT-09 but I already know the stock exhaust leaves something to be desired from a sound perspective.
But anyway, I could ramble on all day about the bike I've lusted over for almost a year, give me your thoughts, your regrets, things that are just nice to know about the MT-10 from an owners perspective, hell even if you don't like the MT-10 tell me why. I want to be an educated buyer, and knowledge is everything.
By the way, the dealership I was at tonight said they could get me this 2018 MT-10 for $12,299 USD (Kansas City area) OTD, do you think this is high, low, or average?
Thanks in advance for the feedback, I hope to be around for a while to pick everyone's collective brains.
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Post by thefinn on Feb 23, 2019 2:25:02 GMT -7
Only thing I conplain about the bike is the stock suspension (need to be changed out, but cant really splash cash at a new shock, new springs and a full revalve in the forks atm). Make sure you have some extra cash standby, especially if you are a heavyer guy like me, to change out the suspendion. I have preload in the forks set on the stiffest setting and im still bottoming out when pulling a stoppie.
Other thing is that the brake feel is bot the best. Its by no means unrideable but it still feels spongey. I hear just changing the pads out will help a ton already. I havent gotten around to that yet.
Thinking if eventually doing the R1 master cylinder swap, along with fresh steel braided lines.
Otherwise, absolutley love the bike. Some people like to tame the throttle abit, but personally im in love with it, open her up a little and it feels like youre strapped to a missile.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 10:51:04 GMT -7
I'm not against jumping from a small bike to a much more powerful one, but just want to point out the obvious  . I'd fully observe the break-in period so you can become used to the bike before starting to open her up. I also highly recommend rider training, in case you have never had any, as well as reading sport-touring motorcycle books, like the excellent one by Nick Ienatsch (a red one). And remember this bike has ABS and T/C, but not the sophisticated one with an IMU (also called cornering ABS/TC), so you need to be careful with the throttle in the curves. And in the remote case you still don't know what countersteering is or does, you absolutely need a riding class before buying that bike. Just want you to be safe . Good luck. |
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Post by jroc on Feb 23, 2019 10:59:16 GMT -7
I love this bike. Absolutely love it. I purchased knowing that I was going to add quite a few mods. I've listed most of the mods that I've done here: fz10.org/thread/2544/jrocs-rideMy only complaint now would be the fuel range, but it's worth the trade off for everything else it does so well. My MT10 replaced a FZ1 set up for touring and a R1. There isn't a thing that I miss from the other 2. I think there are only 2 bikes on the market I would consider besides the MT10: 1. Tuono. It's a phenomenal ride. Rode this and the RSV. I decided against it because of worries about parts availability and was thinking Yamaha would be more reliable (Although, Yamaha has had their own issues - none that I've experienced *knocks on wood*). I even have one of the best Aprilia dealerships near me, AF1. Also, I preferred the options for touring racks/cases on the MT10, and thought performance mods on the MT10 would get me pretty close to the Tuono. 2. H2 SX SE. Never owned a Kawasaki, but this one seems pretty cool. Much more expensive than the MT. Although, I probably have almost as much money in my MT as what these sell for when discounted. Supercharger sound is awesome, but still not the heart throb sound of our CP4 or the Tuono's V4. I'd try to haggle them down some more. I paid a little over your quoted OTD more than a year ago for a 2018. Side note: I've owned GSXR750, GSXR1100, GSXR1000, CBR1000RR, RC51, SV1000, R1 (twice), FZ1, and ridden bikes from pretty much all major manufacturers. |
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Post by redgecko59 on Feb 23, 2019 16:44:03 GMT -7
Just do it, you'll love it. But, as has been said, take it easy for a while it's a big jump performance wise.
If you change out the exhaust, most common is 3/4 system, be prepared for it to be loud, most of the baffling is in the CAT.
I'd also look to get it under $12k too, especially at this time of year. In saying that price is all about what you are prepared to pay in your area, there will always be someone tell you they got a better deal.
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Post by techsniffer on Feb 23, 2019 22:07:23 GMT -7
Only thing I conplain about the bike is the stock suspension (need to be changed out, but cant really splash cash at a new shock, new springs and a full revalve in the forks atm). Make sure you have some extra cash standby, especially if you are a heavyer guy like me, to change out the suspendion. I have preload in the forks set on the stiffest setting and im still bottoming out when pulling a stoppie. Other thing is that the brake feel is bot the best. Its by no means unrideable but it still feels spongey. I hear just changing the pads out will help a ton already. I havent gotten around to that yet. I am a bigger guy and I'm sure at some point I'll change out the suspension a bit to get the ride dialed in, the brakes being a bit underwhelming is something I've read and seen in other reviews, also something I will probably change out. I'm not against jumping from a small bike to a much more powerful one, but just want to point out the obvious . I'd fully observe the break-in period so you can become used to the bike before starting to open her up. I also highly recommend rider training, in case you have never had any, as well as reading sport-touring motorcycle books, like the excellent one by Nick Ienatsch (a red one). And remember this bike has ABS and T/C, but not the sophisticated one with an IMU (also called cornering ABS/TC), so you need to be careful with the throttle in the curves. And in the remote case you still don't know what countersteering is or does, you absolutely need a riding class before buying that bike. Just want you to be safe . Good luck. I always take it easy until I have a few hundred miles at least to get a feel for the nuance of the bike and how it wants to handle and ride. I have taken the MSF course and was thinking about signing up for the advanced course this spring/summer. I love this bike. Absolutely love it. I purchased knowing that I was going to add quite a few mods. I've listed most of the mods that I've done here: fz10.org/thread/2544/jrocs-rideMy only complaint now would be the fuel range, but it's worth the trade off for everything else it does so well. My MT10 replaced a FZ1 set up for touring and a R1. There isn't a thing that I miss from the other 2. I think there are only 2 bikes on the market I would consider besides the MT10: 1. Tuono. It's a phenomenal ride. Rode this and the RSV. I decided against it because of worries about parts availability and was thinking Yamaha would be more reliable (Although, Yamaha has had their own issues - none that I've experienced *knocks on wood*). I even have one of the best Aprilia dealerships near me, AF1. Also, I preferred the options for touring racks/cases on the MT10, and thought performance mods on the MT10 would get me pretty close to the Tuono. 2. H2 SX SE. Never owned a Kawasaki, but this one seems pretty cool. Much more expensive than the MT. Although, I probably have almost as much money in my MT as what these sell for when discounted. Supercharger sound is awesome, but still not the heart throb sound of our CP4 or the Tuono's V4. I'd try to haggle them down some more. I paid a little over your quoted OTD more than a year ago for a 2018. Side note: I've owned GSXR750, GSXR1100, GSXR1000, CBR1000RR, RC51, SV1000, R1 (twice), FZ1, and ridden bikes from pretty much all major manufacturers. What are you all seeing for mpg / range per tank? I know coming from my 500 rebel I was getting about 56 MPG, which I will miss... but I'll pay more for a more enjoyable ride! Once I get in there to start putting money on the table I'll try and push them down, or see if they will throw in a few mods. But I will say MT-10's in thie area fly off the floor so I'm not sure if I'll make much headway, they will already have to reach out to another dealer to get the one I want, all they have in stock is 2019's MT-10 in grey/red. Just do it, you'll love it. But, as has been said, take it easy for a while it's a big jump performance wise. If you change out the exhaust, most common is 3/4 system, be prepared for it to be loud, most of the baffling is in the CAT. I'd also look to get it under $12k too, especially at this time of year. In saying that price is all about what you are prepared to pay in your area, there will always be someone tell you they got a better deal. I was scouring the internet last night for slip ons and how they sound. Once I get the boke broke in and get a feel for what I want then I'll probably look at a 3/4 or full exhaust swap. I think the best sounds to me so far have been the Two Brothers followed by the Akrapovik slip ons |
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Post by thefinn on Feb 23, 2019 23:04:06 GMT -7
About 33 mpg is the best youll see on this bike. As for range, youll start to get somewhat anxious to find a gas station after 120 miles.
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Post by scuba77 on Feb 24, 2019 5:53:17 GMT -7
I'll just say to you what I say when bringing it in for some work.
There's a R1 engine between your legs, watch the throttle, the bike can easily back-flip.
On another note if you are not planning on modifying your throttle, use the cruise control on rougher roads it'll keep you from inadvertently jerking the throttle. Your insurance will go up, probably by hundreds.
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Post by techsniffer on Feb 25, 2019 6:35:48 GMT -7
I'll just say to you what I say when bringing it in for some work.
There's a R1 engine between your legs, watch the throttle, the bike can easily back-flip.
On another note if you are not planning on modifying your throttle, use the cruise control on rougher roads it'll keep you from inadvertently jerking the throttle. Your insurance will go up, probably by hundreds.
The cruise control is one of the things that drew me to this bike, I like to commute to work and it will be a help on the highway. As for the insurance, I already priced it out and it's really not that bad, actually less than I expected. |
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Post by thefinn on Feb 25, 2019 7:00:37 GMT -7
The insurance is indeed surprisingly low for the bike you get. Especially when keeping in mind that this is basically an R1.
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Post by chipmonk on Feb 25, 2019 11:20:17 GMT -7
Really? The insurance on my 2018 mt 10 is more than my 2016 ninja H2. I think I pay like $110 a month on the mt and its like $80 a month on the H2.
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Post by thefinn on Feb 25, 2019 12:22:50 GMT -7
I pay 2200€ a year on my bike (fully insured, im young), while the same insurance from the same company would cost 4200€ a year for an R1.
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Post by techsniffer on Feb 25, 2019 12:44:17 GMT -7
Really? The insurance on my 2018 mt 10 is more than my 2016 ninja H2. I think I pay like $110 a month on the mt and its like $80 a month on the H2. Mine will be about $85 a month, but I bumped it up more than the defaults as well and added things like: full coverage (bike will be paid in cash and not financed), full cost replacement, roadside assistance, higher collision amounts, $100 deductible, $3000 for mods being lost or stolen/broken, and a few other things. I'm going through USAA and Progressive for my insurance here in the states. |
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Post by clayton on Feb 25, 2019 12:48:17 GMT -7
$310 a year for full coverage thru progressive for me
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Post by thefinn on Feb 25, 2019 15:02:14 GMT -7
Damn, id have though that the US would have similar rates to us Nordics, if anything higher as the nordics have such a low number of traffic accidents (per 100.000 people).
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Post by markel76 on Feb 25, 2019 19:28:11 GMT -7
I was in the same position as you in December. I was coming from a 600. I'm a relatively inexperienced rider also. But, I will say this was the BEST purchased I've made in a very long time. I am COMPLETELY satisfied with the bike! The learning curve isn't that bad. Just respect the bike's power. As for the purchase price. I purchase a new 2018 in December and the price OTD in Texas was $9,972. DO NOT pay more than 11K OTD. Enjoy
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Post by clayton on Feb 25, 2019 20:35:53 GMT -7
I was in the same position as you in December. I was coming from a 600. I'm a relatively inexperienced rider also. But, I will say this was the BEST purchased I've made in a very long time. I am COMPLETELY satisfied with the bike! The learning curve isn't that bad. Just respect the bike's power. As for the purchase price. I purchase a new 2018 in December and the price OTD in Texas was $9,972. DO NOT pay more than 11K OTD. Enjoy Wow! What dealer in Texas gave u that price? That’s awesome! |
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Post by morbo on Feb 26, 2019 19:06:03 GMT -7
$310 a year for full coverage thru progressive for me Similar for me. My policy is renewing in a few weeks and the "pay in full" price is $355 with full coverage, maxed out in all coverage amounts. But I also have discounts for multi-policy, no-claim, and multi-year. To answer OP's original question... Gas mileage by far is the biggest negative. But it's not an unknown thing. I have a 60 mile round trip commute and filling up every other day is annoying. After that, throttle choppiness can be annoying, but using Std mode is acceptable. |
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Post by face on Feb 27, 2019 8:15:58 GMT -7
Look around for better prices. I bought my gray/green 2017 brand new in october 2017 for 11.6 OTD.
I came from a suzuki gladius (650 vtwin). This thing is a much angrier beast so be easy on it for a season or two until you understand how it reacts. The bike absolutely inspires confidence however, and I feel like I’m a much better rider since I’ve gotten it.
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Post by techsniffer on Mar 17, 2019 9:24:05 GMT -7
Does anyone have any suggestions for a first mod? I want to do the exhaust but for the price of the Akrapovic Slip-On and Link Pipe it feels like I might as well spend the extra $500 for the full Akra system. The problem being I'm not sure if I want to drop $2k right away or not. I'm going to be buying a Corbin seat through the dealer for a 10% discount, and I could get the same discount on the full system as well making it about $1650. The ECU flash will be after I get some exhaust put on. I have considered doing some bar end mirrors if anyone has some good suggestions as well.
But I want your thoughts, what is the first thing you would suggest doing to the MT-10?
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. I'd fully observe the break-in period so you can become used to the bike before starting to open her up. I also highly recommend rider training, in case you have never had any, as well as reading sport-touring motorcycle books, like the excellent one by Nick Ienatsch (a red one). And remember this bike has ABS and T/C, but not the sophisticated one with an IMU (also called cornering ABS/TC), so you need to be careful with the throttle in the curves. And in the remote case you still don't know what countersteering is or does, you absolutely need a riding class before buying that bike. Just want you to be safe 
