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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 13:18:30 GMT -7
Hey gang, had an interesting discussion with Evitzee that I rather discuss here, for the benefit of current and future owners in my situation. First of all, why did I exclude Pitbull? For this reason: For a front and rear set, you're right at the price level of the Abba stand with the front arm (which you need to lift bike at both ends, so the equivalent of front and rear regular stands), and even as a previous Pitbull owner, I find the Abba much superior. Not only because it lifts the bike at the strongest point (main frame), and near its center of gravity (like a center stand), but because it stores much smaller as well. Now, why starting this thread then? Well, because both options cost a lot of money ($285 shipped for the Abba, and probably very close for both Pitbulls), and if I can find a good, sturdy set for a lot less, I'd prefer that route, since I'll only use them for replacing tires, lubing chain, and changing oil, and will take very good care of them, so don't need overkill here. But what I demand is absolute safety for my bike when doing those things. Finally, before proceeding to choices, I personally don't like Pitbull stand looks. I prefer something that looks modern, like the bike. So let me start with this pair, and see what you guys think: www.motodracing.com/race-stands?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgNaPi46E3gIVRrjACh3qSgUzEAQYBCABEgJnX_D_BwEI found several nice looking stands, but after reading the reviews, I scrapped them. As I said initially, and I reiterate it now, I want a good quality stand at the cheapest possible price, not a cheap stand. VERY different. Since the Pitbull or Abba costs almost $300, I find that the $150 range should afford us a very good set, and justify not having to spend double that amount for the other 2 top options. To end this first post, I saw a very nice set of aluminum stands not long ago that the front tucked into the rear, so you only needed the space of one stand for storage, but forgot to bookmark it, and can't find it. Let's see what you guys have, and opinions. Thanks. JC |
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Post by achrista on Oct 13, 2018 14:36:32 GMT -7
I think high quality stands are worth the investment. They'll last a lifetime. I've had the same pitbull stands for all 3 of my bikes, and I don't think they'll quit any time soon. I don't really care how my stands look so long as they do what they're supposed to do. It's tough to assess a set of stands without seeing them work/feeling how they deal w/ stress.
Something i found interesting from the other thread is that you all don't store the bikes lifted. I've always done that during winter to prevent flat spots on the tires as I used to leave the bikes in my parents' garage and couldn't roll them. I never had an issue or even considered that the spools would fail.
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Post by evitzee on Oct 13, 2018 14:57:16 GMT -7
People who live in climates that allow year round riding really don't need to lift their bikes to avoid flat spots as they , and I don't think modern m/c tires are as susceptible to flat spotting as tires of yore. Spool holes on our bike are only 8mm which is on the small side for spools, that's a lot of weight for them to hold continuously. I don't think they would normally fail if you stored your bike on them for the winter but Yamaha warns you to NOT sit on your bike when supported on the spools, so there must be some concern of excess weight on the spool threads.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 19:17:26 GMT -7
I made very clear I want high quality stands, but don't want freaking Pitbulls. I thought the title was clear. He he. Trying to find other high quality stands  . Thanks. And Evitzee is right; I wouldn't sit on a bike on regular stands and spools, but that's just me. Any comments on the Moto-D Race stands? Or any others you guys care to mention? Thx. |
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Post by evitzee on Oct 13, 2018 19:33:30 GMT -7
Woodcraft are top drawer, but not cheap.
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Post by revolvingrain on Oct 13, 2018 20:38:31 GMT -7
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Post by nightshade on Oct 14, 2018 7:06:47 GMT -7
I’m right there with you man. Pitbulls are rediculously overpriced. But after watching this video, though he is a bit arrogant, i decided to find some. I ended up getting my rear one for $50 and front for $80. 100% worth it for me at that price. Shop the hell out of the used market and you’ll find some steals.
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Post by evitzee on Oct 14, 2018 11:03:02 GMT -7
Can't agree with your assessment that Pitbull's are 'ridiculously overpriced', based on what?...the cheap pot-metal crap coming out of China? Quality tools designed and made in a first-world country have a built in cost for engineering, labor, warranty, etc. Considering what some of the silly knick knacks we put on our machines cost I would consider $150 for a high quality rear stand to be fair and reasonable, but everyone has their own level of what a fair price is. Anyway, the original poster says he in no way will entertain a Pitbull, mostly for its aesthetics and cost which is certainly his choice.
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Post by clayton on Oct 14, 2018 12:14:25 GMT -7
Love my Pitbull stand!   |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 12:15:26 GMT -7
As I said, Pitbull are good quality stands, and I've owned them in the past. But they're just massive, instead of well engineered IMO. I consider the Moto-Ds linked above well engineered, but that's just me. Both approaches are fine, as long as they do the job AND are sturdy enough; just a matter of personal preference, I guess. But yes, unfortunately, many stands just don't have the latter (sturdy enough). The main reason I completely eliminated Pitbulls from my consideration is I think the Abba stand is better in every regard, and they cost the same, so it'd be a no-brainer to me. Having said that, if I can spend $150 for a quality pair of stands over $300, I have no reason to spend an extra $150 without justification. Currently doing research on those Moto-Ds. So far, they look very promising, but will keep you posted. Will also look at the afforementioned Woodcraft ones, but if they're priced in the Abba territory, they'd be out of consideration as well. Have a great week gang.
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Post by theculturalattache on Oct 16, 2018 12:17:14 GMT -7
That moto_d stand looks very similar to this www.harris-performance.com/product/harris-gp-style-aluminium-box-section-rear-prong-paddock-stand-flat-pack/Which is supposed to be the dogs danglies of paddock stands and is priced accordingly. I'll be very interested if any of you guys can give a review. Abba stands are great,very stable but abit of a PITA to put on. I also have a R&G paddock stand which is pretty crap.my garage floor is uneven and it wobbles and flexes to much. The Pitbull seems to have longer leverage,so easier to put bike on. Can any of you guys confirm this? Cheers. |
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Post by evitzee on Oct 16, 2018 13:11:54 GMT -7
^^^ I'm not personally familiar with the Moto-D or the Harris but I'm skeptical of box-section aluminum construction in this type of application. Similar ones that I've seen at various cycle joints are always flimsily built. I think the Moto-D advertises a weight of 8 lbs, that's pretty skimpy. And I'm not sure a front axle lifting point is the way to go with our bikes due to the ABS components in that area, a fork lift is ok for a 'race' stand like the Moto-D if you are using a track bike which doesn't have ABS. Many street bike owners are now using front stands that lift from the lower triple tree which gives better access around the front axle for work and cleaning, and doesn't disturb the ABS components. I don't use a front stand so maybe others can chime in on which design is best for our bikes. I agree about the ABBA stands, the videos looked they were a bit fiddly to use compared to a standard stand, but looked solid when in use. A standard rear stand with spools can be easily deployed and you can pop the bike up in a few seconds for chain cleaning/lubing, and general maintenance. There are lots of options for stands, depends on what you are looking for to fit your needs.
Leverage and geometry is your friend when you are trying to lift 200+ pounds off the ground, can't say a Pitbull is easier than others because I've only used the Pitbull, all my previous bikes had center stands which used to be pretty standard but are getting rare these days. |
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Post by achrista on Oct 16, 2018 13:25:25 GMT -7
I will say a drawback to the pitbull (specific to this bike) is that the front triple stand is an extremely tight fit and you will scratch your fender if you don't cover it with a microfiber towel and use caution when putting it in or taking it out.
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Post by theculturalattache on Oct 20, 2018 11:41:26 GMT -7
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Post by thefinn on Dec 13, 2018 16:35:31 GMT -7
Honestly, while the more expensive stands propably are way more sturdy, ive never had any problems with the ~$30 a piece i bought at an autoparts store 3 years ago. Just use some common sense (dont push your bike around like crazy while on a stand, dont sit on it while on a stand etc) and youll be just fine. As for leverage, i think any 12 year old would have enough strenght to lift the bike safely onto a stand.
The stand held my bike prefecly well even when obsessivey hand polishing the tank, i dont see why anyone would put more "rocking force" into the bike on its stand
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Post by solo on Dec 14, 2018 11:15:54 GMT -7
I dont get it, and definitely not the video “testing stands”... cool you’re strong and can brake a stand applying force in a direction (outwards) that it never was constructed to withstand... 🤨.
I’ve owned several stands (incl Abba and the cheap aluminum box China stands) and you get what you pay for and you should use them accordingly to that.. it’s like buying an cruiser and do track days and complain about the bike.. I’ve used the abba on my gixxer track day bike (where I wanted to be able to work on the bike) and the cheap China stands on my road bike that just should get of the ground for winter...
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. Thanks. And Evitzee is right; I wouldn't sit on a bike on regular stands and spools, but that's just me. Any comments on the Moto-D Race stands? Or any others you guys care to mention? Thx.
