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Post by clayton on Sept 20, 2018 13:31:02 GMT -7
You guys are a whiny bunch. I’m not going to disclose my source because I would like to continue to use it in the future. These colors are confirmed in writing right now for the US 2019 mt-10. I have the mt-09, and mt-09 tracer/gt colors as well as the xsr 900 colors. Seeing as this is the fz/mt 10 board I didn’t post them. The 2019 09 gt tracer is already on the yamaha website anyway. Could there be additional colors or models sure, but these will be here soon. I posted this to help anyone thinking about buying a 2019 if color matters to them. If you want blue, buy it soon. If you want black, wait a few months. I don’t have details on the gray, but my guess is it’s the same as the current one with flat gray. If you would have disclosed that in the beginning you would not of had everybody asking so many ?’s Just saying! |
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Post by speedydave on Sept 20, 2018 14:16:07 GMT -7
Sorry guys, I didn’t think color choice would be so controversial.
I got info on the new harley Milwaukee 8 before the official release and took a lot of heat for sharing it, including messages from representatives of HD corporate. I don’t want to burn my source even though it is public information if you know where to look.
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Post by evitzee on Sept 20, 2018 14:25:49 GMT -7
Those in the US are missing out. Reduced horsepower, no SP model. I can't understand the logic for such a large market. What exactly is the reduced HP? My 2017 MSO (original title from Yamaha) states 148HP, which is almost the reported 150 in Europe. I thought it had 135, for what I read here, but at least for my 2017, doesn't seem to be the case. If anything, we're missing just 2HP. As far as the SP, I also don't understand why manufacturers exclude the US with their nicest models (happens with cars too, with high-performance models). I'm fine with mine, and glad it has 148 instead of 135, and don't need any more than that, so no tunes or messing with the engine at all. Just a Graves slip-on and that's it. And many cosmetic mods, of course  . The hp listed on the manufacturer's title is not the same as the actual hp you are going to see on the street. The 148 hp figure is almost certainly the crank hp, when routed through the transmission and drive system (sprockets and chain) you'll get something like 132-135 hp at the rear wheel which is what a dynamometer test gives. You most certainly don't have 148 hp at the rear wheel in a stock setup. Sorry, no special bike that slipped through the system for you!
Why do manufacturers not import some bikes into the US? Simple: economics. It is very expensive to make a bike US compliant (especially to the California emission requirements) and to get it certified. They calculate whether it will make money. The rest of the world likes naked superbikes, but the US market is focused on the heavy weight cruiser model. Hence they figure it won't pay off for them. There have been many instances of bikers begging for certain models to be imported, the US importers comply and BOOM......those potential customers suddenly disappear. They won't be interested because of the price, color, the eventual US specs and features, accessories, other competition or a thousand other excuses. The importers are not there to get burned. Been there, done that. And right now bike sales are in a dive, they have to be careful on what they want to spend their money on as far as bikes for the US market.
I agree what other people have said about the cryptic info given about the 2019 colors. A simple statement up front saying the OP had an inside track for information would have been sufficient to put it in context instead of just rolling out that big matzoh ball. New color choices leaking out is not something a manufacturer is going to worry about. Harley Davidson is anal....they want to control everything.
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Post by clayton on Sept 20, 2018 14:36:57 GMT -7
Sorry guys, I didn’t think color choice would be so controversial. I got info on the new harley Milwaukee 8 before the official release and took a lot of heat for sharing it, including messages from representatives of HD corporate. I don’t want to burn my source even though it is public information if you know where to look. CARB California air resources Board usually list colors and weight and sometimes power of every make and model Of car truck motorcycle and Offroad vehicles made for the USA That’s public info. I forgot bout them. Here y’all go. Sure enough black one and gray one www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2019/yamaha_m0030709_998_0d8_hn.pdf |
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Post by evitzee on Sept 20, 2018 14:57:47 GMT -7
But what we don't know are the color finishes matte or gloss, and the wheel colors. Perhaps they will match the current year, or not.
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Post by peripateticmike on Sept 20, 2018 15:59:43 GMT -7
Sorry guys, I didn’t think color choice would be so controversial. You're still completely missing the point. I give up |
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Post by achrista on Sept 20, 2018 16:14:08 GMT -7
You guys are a whiny bunch. I’m not going to disclose my source because I would like to continue to use it in the future. These colors are confirmed in writing right now for the US 2019 mt-10. I have the mt-09, and mt-09 tracer/gt colors as well as the xsr 900 colors. Seeing as this is the fz/mt 10 board I didn’t post them. The 2019 09 gt tracer is already on the yamaha website anyway. Could there be additional colors or models sure, but these will be here soon. I posted this to help anyone thinking about buying a 2019 if color matters to them. If you want blue, buy it soon. If you want black, wait a few months. I don’t have details on the gray, but my guess is it’s the same as the current one with flat gray. listen up mr. speedydave. typically, if 10 or so unbiased individuals with no bone to pick with you give you the same feedback ("you are not communicating clearly") it just might be the case that you aren't communicating instead of everyone else being whiny and/or sensitive. anyway i appreciate that you tried to give everyone a heads' up and i'm interested in seeing what the next model year holds. I don't anticipate any substantial changes to the platform outside of color choices until 2020 at EARLIEST. I would love to see a plug-and-play colorized TFT for non-SP models, as one can already pursue better suspension mods than those found on the SP. Highly unlikely, but something i'd like to see. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 21:53:46 GMT -7
Evitzee, I’m talking CRANK HP man. I read many times here it had 135. Having 148, what’s in Europe? Isn’t it 150? What I’m asking is why the big deal about the US bike being detuned compared to Europe, when it’s maybe 2HP? Never said anything about wheel HP (look🤓).
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Post by aussie on Sept 21, 2018 1:11:23 GMT -7
Those in the US are missing out. Reduced horsepower, no SP model. I can't understand the logic for such a large market. What exactly is the reduced HP? My 2017 MSO (original title from Yamaha) states 148HP, which is almost the reported 150 in Europe. I thought it had 135, for what I read here, but at least for my 2017, doesn't seem to be the case. If anything, we're missing just 2HP. As far as the SP, I also don't understand why manufacturers exclude the US with their nicest models (happens with cars too, with high-performance models). I'm fine with mine, and glad it has 148 instead of 135, and don't need any more than that, so no tunes or messing with the engine at all. Just a Graves slip-on and that's it. And many cosmetic mods, of course . There are various sources online mentioning reduced HP for the US market. I have no idea of the validity of the sources but it is interesting all the different figures floating around. Personally I find mine has too much (if there is such a thing). Many motor vehicles exported to the US usually get all the fruit included on the base model (such the Pontiac GTO, which is a Holden Monaro here in Australia). It's strange move by Yamaha for sure. |
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Post by clayton on Sept 21, 2018 5:25:54 GMT -7
Evitzee, I’m talking CRANK HP man. I read many times here it had 135. Having 148, what’s in Europe? Isn’t it 150? What I’m asking is why the big deal about the US bike being detuned compared to Europe, when it’s maybe 2HP? Never said anything about wheel HP (look🤓). Rear wheel hp in Europe on a stock MT is around 147-150. There crank hp is around 165hp |
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Post by achrista on Sept 21, 2018 6:55:11 GMT -7
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Post by clayton on Sept 21, 2018 8:03:30 GMT -7
Why did the the beginning of this thread get deleted. This thread started out about the 2019 colors and it’s gone now. What’s up with that? Also this thread got turned into horsepower the bike has instead of 2019 colors. This is how the post starts out now  |
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Post by evitzee on Sept 21, 2018 8:24:55 GMT -7
Evitzee, I’m talking CRANK HP man. I read many times here it had 135. Having 148, what’s in Europe? Isn’t it 150? What I’m asking is why the big deal about the US bike being detuned compared to Europe, when it’s maybe 2HP? Never said anything about wheel HP (look🤓). Yamaha USA seldom lists hp, nor do most manufacturers. A few years ago the Japanese manufacturers got into a speed war, advertising their machines could do 300 km/hr. They finally agreed to stop that as it was getting too much scrutiny, they also dialed back the advertising of hp. If you read the FZ/MT-10 has 135 crank hp you are mistaken, Yamaha doesn't provide that number to the public. It is usually reported that US spec machines has between 132-135 rear wheel hp.
Here are three real world US spec 2017 FZ-10 machines as tested by various m/c magazines:
Cycle World: 130.1 rear wheel hp Motorcyclist: 131.1 rear wheel hp MCN: 129.5 rear wheel hp
So, in fact, we actually get a little bit less than normally talked about. Big deal.
People worry too much about the hp, when we are bopping along at 70 mph we are only putting out about 50 hp, there is a lot more on tap at the flick of the wrist. Max hp hits at about 9,500 rpm, who spends much time at those rpm's in normal riding? An extra 10 or 15 hp really means nothing on the street, at the track yes.
US spec machines are tested differently than EU machines regarding noise levels, the US has to detune the engine slightly to get in compliance. If it is important to regain that hp flash the ECU and you'll be happy.
I'm old enough to remember when the Honda CB-750 came out with a whopping 50 hp and people were wetting themselves, and it weighed over 500 lbs fully fueled. We've come a long way. 130 hp on a bike that weighs 463 lbs fully fueled is enough to keep me entertained. If you have to have more there are ways to do it.
Anyway, this thread has drifted from its original start about 2019 colors.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 10:35:49 GMT -7
Guess you don’t read my messages. I don’t give a rat’s ass about HP. That is precisely why I mentioned it. For those who care, it’s not a big deal. It’s rare for anybody to obtain the MSO, but I did, and now we know the official HP for US bikes is 148 (all motor vehicles have to list it). And somebody posted the official EU figure at 158, so it’s only 10 (and yes, RWHP can vary by more than that, since there’re variances). I was seriously considering an Aprilia Shiver with just 95 HP if this bike didn’t materialize, so stop putting words in my mouth. I was expecting 135 crank and found 148, so more than I need. Have had the most potent bikes, including a Hayabusa that got to 185, so done with that. That’s also why I went naked; can’t go too fast anyway. For the final time, my bike will stay mechanically stock, with the exception of a Graves slip-on.
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Post by evitzee on Sept 21, 2018 11:08:55 GMT -7
I read your messages, you were the one that claimed you have 148 hp, no one else. Now you claim you don't care about hp, but that is precisely why you mentioned it. Huh? You have no idea what that 148 hp refers to or how it relates to EU numbers, so it's a useless isolated number. But have fun with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 13:32:37 GMT -7
I don't care if it has 90 or 1,000. That's what you just don't get man. You keep giving me your crap to tune it, or if I'm not happy. I DON'T CARE. It's just to show that there's very little actual difference from the US to the European bikes. That's all. I'm about to ignore you, but will just assume you're having a bad day and want to pick a fight. Later.
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Post by clayton on Sept 21, 2018 13:47:33 GMT -7
This tread is suppose to be about the 2019 colors.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Sept 21, 2018 14:24:24 GMT -7
Why did the the beginning of this thread get deleted. This thread started out about the 2019 colors and it’s gone now. What’s up with that? Also this thread got turned into horsepower the bike has instead of 2019 colors. This is how the post starts out now I think OP deleted his post. I think we'll just shut down this topic in light of that and how it's just spiraled into HP bickering . |
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