fastback89
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Post by fastback89 on Jun 16, 2018 17:28:18 GMT -7
Just wondering what your thoughts on mileage between oil changes? I did the first oil and filter at 300 miles, the second at 2000 miles and was planning on 3000 mile interval from here on out. Does this sound reasonable? Been using Motul 10W40 7100 and seems to shift well with this oil and doesn't use (burn) any oil at all.
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Post by achrista on Jun 16, 2018 18:49:52 GMT -7
Just wondering what your thoughts on mileage between oil changes? I did the first oil and filter at 300 miles, the second at 2000 miles and was planning on 3000 mile interval from here on out. Does this sound reasonable? Been using Motul 10W40 7100 and seems to shift well with this oil and doesn't use (burn) any oil at all. I just follow the service manual. Change at 600, 6k, and then every 6k. Every 3k seems excessive and with motul it sounds expensive. |
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Post by papawheelie on Jun 16, 2018 19:05:35 GMT -7
You’re gonna get a few different "opinions" on this. I did my first oil/filter change at 100 miles, and then followed the owner’s manual, which means doing the next oil/filter change at 600 miles (if I remember correctly), 4K, 8k, 12k, etc.
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Post by evitzee on Jun 16, 2018 22:23:24 GMT -7
Just follow the manual. First change at 600 miles (incl filter), then every 4,000 miles with full synthetic oil (Euro spec is 6,000 miles!) Too much oil hysteria lately. Yamaha engineers know more than us "experts" posting on line.
I replace the filter each time even though Yamaha says you can do it every other time.
Have put over 150,000 miles on bikes over the years following the manual and have never had any engine issues related to oil. Keep it simple.
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Post by achrista on Jun 17, 2018 11:31:22 GMT -7
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 22:36:25 GMT -7
I don't care what the manual says, but it's idiotic to not change the oil filter after an oil change. But to each his own. Oil change interval is dependent on how you use the bike. I typically do it once a year, and at either 5 or 6K miles, but I do mostly highway. With lots of short trips, I'd do it at 5K, like I do on my vehicles used that way. I'd wait until 600 initially; no need to do it earlier, but again, to each his own  . |
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Post by achrista on Jun 18, 2018 8:37:33 GMT -7
the FZ allows for a larger filter than I had on my R6, so I may skip a filter change at my next oil change. Historically I have used a cheap filter and just changed both, particularly on higher mileage cars.
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mario
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Post by mario on Jun 18, 2018 8:52:49 GMT -7
For me, first service at 600 miles, 2nd service will be at 6000 or after 1 year and after that it will be as per the manual with an oil and filter change AT LEAST once a year, even if I have not covered 6000 miles since the last time.
Oil deteriorates with age, not just milage, so its best to do it every xxx miles OR xxx timeframe, whatever comes first.
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daveinwoodland
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Post by daveinwoodland on Jun 18, 2018 10:47:31 GMT -7
If anyone is really concerned they can always send a sample in for evauluation, It's about 20.00 but you can get an idea of how long and how well your synthetic oil will be fine. I think most of you would be surprised at the outcome. New oils especially synthetic are far above and beyond the old days.
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latte
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Post by latte on Jun 18, 2018 11:03:45 GMT -7
All dino oil- 50, 300, 600, (track day)1000
Synthetic every ~2500 after.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Jun 18, 2018 13:22:53 GMT -7
I hate to come off like this but I feel this puts people at ease. I run this bike very hard, canyon carving and track only. A lot of the times in desert temperatures. So I think it's fair to say I probably ride this bike to more extremes than most do. I have zero concern with the oil change interval. I do it as per the manuals recommendation. I'll check the sight window every now and then and add oil if I need to, but I change it per schedule. Have never had any engine issues with any of my bikes owned. Although admittedly I've yet to own a bike long enough to get really high mileage on it. But I've never had a bad pan of used oil come out with shit like engine shavings or anything that's ever concerned me.
I do run Racing 4T oil, but for most that's excessive. For most you can absolutely save money with oil and changes by just following the requirements on the manual .No need to short change. No need to go crazy with Motul 300. There's people out there that are experts that will back this sentiment up .Oil and engine technology have gone farther than the old way of thinking with changing every 3000 miles.
Keep the levels right. Make sure the coolant system is optimal. Keep up on your other maintanence like spark plugs and valve adjustments and you'll be fine following the manual recommendations.
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Post by evitzee on Jun 18, 2018 14:18:53 GMT -7
^^^ Right on. No matter what kind of vehicle site you visit there are always oil threads about changing inverval, best type/brand/weight of oil and other esoteric 'facts' on the best method to lubricate your engines internals. I think it is in guys DNA; women like shoes, guys like to talk motor oil. Some of it is amusing, some is just a wasteful use of oil and $$, and once in awhile you'll see ideas and methods which might be harmful to your engine. Oil technology has advanced dramatically over the last 20 years or so with semi-synthetic and full synthetic oils giving greater protection and greatly increased periods between needed oil changes. Some cars don't have a dipstick to even check the level, they will monitor the situation and tell you when it is time to change it, often well after 10,000 miles. The old 3,000 mile rule was a marketing tool used by the oil industry to sell more oil in quickie lube joints that they often owned (particularly Pennzoil). It was pretty much nonsense back in the 80's but totally nuts today, but you'll still see signs in some of these places on the door when you leave saying 'See you in 3,000 miles'. These full synthetic oils are often in the $20/qt range meaning it is an $80-$100 outlay with the filter, not an insignificant cost. Follow the recommendations by the manufacturer with the correct type, weight and JASO MA oil and you'll be fine. And at the lowest possible hit to your wallet.
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fastback89
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Post by fastback89 on Jun 18, 2018 17:09:47 GMT -7
Thanks for all the great info, very helpful to here others advice.
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Post by dougiequick on May 28, 2024 21:22:33 GMT -7
Obviously (to me anyway) the reason to change oil more often in high powered liter bike is that the oil is not only motor oil! It is also pulverized by meshing transmission gears not to mention clutch plates slamming together and slipping apart. I guess really it depends on how much you love your engine and/or how long you keep bikes. Since I don't tend to keep em long at all one would think I would max out oil changes per manual but I just can not do it lol....my first career was as a motorcycle mechanic AND I raced motocross so I saw a lot of engines apart on the bench and witnessed an awful lot of destruction and evidence of awful wear, spun bearings seized pistons burnt shift forks smoked clutch plates....crap in nooks and crannies in cases etc etc. I may overdo it at every 2k or so but it just makes me FEEL so good to have new oil....and I swear I can tell the difference! Even in the family car (okay my wife's car get oil every 7500miles but she is SOOO gentle on a vehicle compared to moi) ...maybe it is me hallucinating that I can tell the difference but I would bet money!. ANYONE that ever bought a bike from me got a machine with over the top frequent oil changes and I bet IF/when one of my motors ever gets torn down the mechanic will see something at least cleaner than typical lol....i mean depending on how long after I sold it anyway. But other than good maintainence? I thrash the daylights out of my vehicles! Not like over redline but just hard charging up and down through the gears 90% Twisties....It could very well be that someone that rides gently but only changes oil every 6k + etc? Might probably is treating their engine better than me idk? Who even really knows I mean they are engineered to be ridden hard ....right? Oh and here is a true story my buddy had a smaller displacement Honda twin his dad made sure the bike was serviced regularly I mean the motorcycle looked new still after years of hard riding but it finally pooped out around 50k miles He wanted me to rebuild it but considering the value of the bike? That motor was just worn the hell OUT and was not worth rebuilding! I mean it was VERY reliable! a CB Honda true to its name but you can only ride the piss out of a motor so long! Metal only goes so long even with all the scheduled maintainence ....which is why track racing is so damn hard on engines and why racers change oil A LOT....its not ONLY miles on the oil it is how HARD that oil is worked! Is it more touring? commuting? Or THRASHING! lol big difference I have to think
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