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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 23:07:47 GMT -7
Hi gang. Dealer said he's expecting 2019 MT-10s at any time, but doesn't have any details. Yamaha's site has no info either. Hasn't sold my house yet, so don't have use for a bike yet. Dealer said same discount for the only '17 left (forget it), an '18, or a '19, so rather buy the newest. Didn't realize these bikes don't have TPMS, so hoping Yamaha adds that for 2019, like they added a QS for 2018. But hope they retain black, since I don't like any of their 'metrosexual' colors. Ha ha. No offense folks, but at 56, I'm past flashy colors . Thx.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Jun 13, 2018 23:39:07 GMT -7
QS was available on the 2017. I havent heard any news about the 2019 but I would love to see the SP get released in the states.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 11:37:10 GMT -7
I know QS was available as an accessory here (standard in Europe), but I meant included as standard equipment in 2018. Hopefully TPMS was also standard in Europe, and could be made standard here for 2019 . We'll find out soon enough.
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Post by ikranmakto on Jun 14, 2018 23:27:50 GMT -7
QS was available on the 2017. I havent heard any news about the 2019 but I would love to see the SP get released in the states. So what is the reasoning behind Yamaha not releasing a SP model in the States, does anyone know? I was seriously looking at trading in my standard 2017 MT10 for the 2017 SP. (for some reason the USA also dates their bike a year ahead) The run out model on the 2017 SP is the same price as the standard 2018 MT10 which has just been released here in Australia, there is definitely no difference between 2017 & 2018 SP or standard models.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Jun 15, 2018 8:06:44 GMT -7
My guess is we haven't embraced bikes like the FZ10 as track bikes yet. Why get an SP when you can get an R1 if you need those extra track goodies. The US motorcycle market is in a weird place right now.
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Post by evitzee on Jun 15, 2018 12:26:54 GMT -7
Most bikes for the following year are introduced at the AIMExpo which is held in mid-October, this year in Las Vegas. Sometimes information on carryover models is released beforehand, but not always. I wouldn't look for the color palette for the 2019 MY to be known for a few months. Sometimes a model will be released early (the 2017 FZ-10 in the USA was one), but usually the new ones go on sale at the dealers around November.
TPMS for bikes is something you don't really see in the US, if it's on Euro bikes it is a nanny state thing. Whether or not it would come to the US would be on a case by case basis as to whether it is cheap enough to introduce. I doubt you'll see it unless it becomes mandatory, like rear view cameras on cars. Chipped key bikes are the norm in Europe but they are not on US bound bikes. Part of this is the cost issue, part is the public doesn't want them. Bikes are thought out very carefully to hit a specific price target and market, if they can save $5 by not including a helmet lock, or $20 by omitting a centerstand, and if they believe the public won't care the item gets left off. I doubt most riders are in much of a lather for TPMS. It would be nice to glance down and see what the pressure is in the tires but if you pick up a nail you are still going to get stranded on the side of the road. A repair kit and a way to put wind in the tire (compressor or CO2 cartridges) is a must have on any bike, it's the first thing that gets packed in my tank bag. Right now I have both. The last two nails I picked up were discovered in the garage, but the plug kit still came in handy.
The reason the SP model has not been introduced in the US is that Yamaha USA doesn't believe there is sufficient market for this kind of bike. It's expensive to bring a new model to the market. The -10's haven't exactly been flying out the door, they are an expensive machine and many guys can't quite stretch the budget (and insurance) to get one, adding a few more thousand dollars for an SP model really restricts the target audience. Motorcycle sales are in a tailspin in the US, many older riders are aging out and younger people aren't taking up the sport. Whether it is H-D, or the various Euro bikes and Japanese machines, there is too much supply and not enough customers. Everyone is trying to turn this around but it takes time. You may or may not see the SP in the US, personally I doubt we will with the state of the business.
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Post by narcissus on Jun 15, 2018 21:18:43 GMT -7
I still can't understand how there could be no market for an SP model in the states but there is enough of a market here in Australia, considering the Aus market is miniscule compared to the US.
I've just bought a new SP model for less ride away than a standard 18 model. Absolutely love the SP colour scheme, suspension and dash. Don't think I've ever been so happy with a bike in 30 years of riding.
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Post by ikranmakto on Jun 16, 2018 1:35:17 GMT -7
I still can't understand how there could be no market for an SP model in the states but there is enough of a market here in Australia, considering the Aus market is miniscule compared to the US. I've just bought a new SP model for less ride away than a standard 18 model. Absolutely love the SP colour scheme, suspension and dash. Don't think I've ever been so happy with a bike in 30 years of riding. Yeah that's what baffles me as well narcissus, We live in a country virtually the size of the USA but with a population less than Texas. Australia pays far more for cars compared to the US, but motorcycles prices are on par. There are very few MT10's being used over here as track bikes, with the flat bars they simply do not perform as well as a sports bike like an R1 or R6 on track, my track times on an R6 are faster than the MT10. The MT10 is designed for the road riding, I personally wouldn't use half the electronics supplied with the SP model but that superior suspension set up IMO is well worth the extra money.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 22:49:17 GMT -7
It would be nice to glance down and see what the pressure is in the tires but if you pick up a nail you are still going to get stranded on the side of the road. Of course man. You don't seem to understand the main reason for TPMS. It's SAFETY. If you don't notice pressure loss, and you happen to be riding in the twisties, rather than getting stranded 'on the side of the road', you might end up stamped on the side of a mountain (left curve), as an ornament on an oncoming vehicle (right curve), or wrapped in a tree down a cliff (left curve). THAT's why I want TPMS on my bikes . Yes, reading the individual pressures is nice, but knowing when you're losing pressure is the real benefit. You can pull over before the tire is deflated... and at your own convenience. Oh, and that would also save your tire (just like in a car); if you catch it fully deflated, it's most likely ruined (and dangerous). And yes, a tire-repair kit is a must. I personally use the Stop'nGo, which never goes bad. And carry both CO2 cartridges and a high-capacity bicycle pump. It's rare to have a flat on a bike when you're careful where you tread, and I've only had one, so TPMS is not a deal-breaker, but a nice feature to have. That's all.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Jun 18, 2018 13:18:41 GMT -7
Who else has TPMS on any vehicle they own? I've had nothing but problems with it on any car I've used. Seems to be common issue. On my current car, my remote start won't work when my TPMS faults. I don't know if I'd want it on a bike and the RPMs we put on the tires.
I could be the exception though. Maybe others it works fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 18:11:48 GMT -7
It's a matter of preference, I guess. I've never had any TPMS issues, cars or bikes. The newer systems are even more reliable and sophisticated. The only downside is they all use non-replaceable batteries, so they eventually go bad. Life is supposed to be around 7 years. I've never kept a vehicle nearly that long to need new ones, but down the line, they'd need new sensors for sure. The good news is bikes go thru tires way quicker than cars, so they can be timed with a tire change. Finally, I guess bike manufacturers could do what Audi (and other VW group cars) are doing, and eliminate the wheel sensors. They determine if a tire is deflated with the wheel speed/ABS sensors. Yeah, ABS is needed, but most bikes have them by now. Same thing with TBW (throttle by wire) and cruise control; very easy to add when already equipped with them. It's just an extra piece of mind. My last 4 or 5 bikes had TPMS, but I still always checked/adjusted tire pressure before EVERY ride. And always are very vigilant where I tread, and so far just 1 flat in all my biking 'career'. Hope it stays that way. He he.
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Post by evitzee on Jun 18, 2018 21:51:13 GMT -7
I have a 2006 Lexus IS (build date 2/06) and the original TPMS sensors are still going strong. Last week I had to get new tires and debated whether to change out the sensors (not cheap) and decided not to. I figure I'll only have the car another 18 months or so so if they go out before then I'll get a flashing light on the dash which I can ignore. Only had one flat in the 12 years I have had the car and that was an instant blowout when I hit a massive pothole in OK, tire was flat in about 3 seconds. I knew the tire was shot before the TPMS light came on so no help from TPMS in that instance.
I've had about 4 bike punctures in the last dozen years. Two were small nails I found when inspecting the tire after a ride, no real loss of pressure and I rode the bike 22 miles to the dealer for a new tire. Another one happened two miles from home after a ride when I pulled into a Chevron station, I must have picked up a drywall screw at the curb and by the time I got to the pump the tire was flat. These sport tires get sticky and if you run over something it will stick to the tire, usually it will get flicked away but not always. Another time I found a two inch screw in my rear tire when I pulled the bike off the center stand in my garage, picked up very close to home because the hole was pretty big and it would have gone flat in a hurry. For this reason I don't think a TPMS system is really worth much either on a car or bike. The reason they were introduced was to remind people to check their tire pressures once in awhile (most people never do). They might be useful for that purpose, but to warn you that you have a nail or puncture in a tire I don't think they are that helpful. I'm not clamoring for it on a bike, but everybody has their preference.
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