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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 22:48:02 GMT -7
Hi gang. Would greatly appreciate your help with several questions I haven't found during my research on 2018 MT-10s:
1. Does it have cornering ABS and cornering T/C? No word anywhere. Salesman said yes (no on the MT-09. Just regular ABS), but Yamaha site doesn't say anything. That most likely means NO, but want to hear from actual owners.
2. All my previous I-4 bikes bothered me with the high-frequency vibrations, putting my hands (and sometimes feet) to sleep after an hour or less. It was extremely annoying. Hope Yamaha's crossplane crank diminishes that. And yes, that is with 'grip puppies', which is always the first mod I do. I'm also considering a 2018 Triumph Street Triple RS, which lacks cruise, but has much better brakes and suspension, and enough power for my needs.
3. What's the real world FUEL RANGE? With a paltry 4.5-gal tank, have read between 100 and 120 miles. Seems ridiculous, but just want to make sure it's not worse than that. Ha ha. Oh, and the bike needs premium fuel? Or regular is fine, or just in emergencies? Thx.
4. Also disappointed at the super short gearing. Bike tops out at 160 (rev limiter at 12K) unrestricted, meaning 80mph=6K rpm, which is stratospheric for a liter bike (no wonder of the dismal fuel economy. Ha ha). Is that the case on 2018s? Just checking. Oh, and US bikes are reportedly limited to 135 mph. True?
5. Finally, many said US bikes were detuned in 2017 to 135HP (crank), but 2018s have the same 160 as Europe. No word on Yamaha's site about HP. Which is it for 2018? Thx.
That's it for now folks. As I mentioned, I'm between this bike and the RS. It's going to be a hard decision if it doesn't have cornering ABS. The Triumph has a 4.6-gal tank, much taller gearing, and a smaller engine, so it should have a substantially higher range (don't care about fuel economy). Both have a quick shifter (only up), but the RS has the best brakes you can have on a bike (M50 calipers with the best radial Brembo MC), Ohlins at the back, and a KYB fully adjustable BPFs. All comments welcome. Many thanks.
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Post by thomascrown on May 28, 2018 15:46:01 GMT -7
1. No IMU, thus, no cornering abs. Just regular abs.
2. Vibes are there, but more twin-like. Really splits the difference between an I-4 and a twin in terms of vibes, but none of the harsh, high frequency stuff.
3. Fuel range is terrible, 120 miles if you're lucky.
4. No gearing changes for 18. Gearing is very superbike-ish. First gear is very long, and every other gear is super close ratio. A gear change feels like it drops you less than 1000 rpm. Freeway rpms are high, but at 80mph, roll on power is also stupid. Worthwhile tradeoff for me, I have a love/hate relationship with overdrive. Nice mpgs, but I don't buy literbikes to downshift several gears on the freeway.
5. Likely no changes for 2018, as the detune had to due with US noise regs. Will likely require a reflash.
Triumph is a more complete bike, and the MT-10 is more wild and flawed. If it were my last bike, I'd get the nutty one.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 18:55:16 GMT -7
Thanks a million for your help Thomas. Awesome news about the vibration; that could have been a deal-breaker. Glad to hear it's not that bad. I don't mind vibration if it doesn't put my limbs to 'sleep'. He he. I don't understand why manufacturers don't alter gearing when 'detuning' a bike. First should be shorter, and 6th = 5th, with the middle gears equally spaced, and 6th an overdrive. Not a deep overdrive, but with a powerful engine, it could be turning 75 mph at 4K rpm, rather than 6K. Not only better MPG (for a better range), but less vibration. But if vibration is not an issue even at crazy rpm, then how about a larger tank? I don't mind fuel consumption, but the range is just ridiculous. I could work around that, I guess. Will try to ride both the MT-10 and RS, and if it comes out soon, the new CB1000R. But so far, the MT-10 is at the top now  . Many thanks for your help again; greatly appreciate it. Hopefully the 2019 is around the corner, and with some changes, either IMU (lean-angle ABS/TC), longer gearing, or both. He he. Take care. |
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Post by tradmark on Jun 6, 2018 19:47:53 GMT -7
Im not sure why everyones fuel range is so low but today i rode 126 miles on highway (to and from work) at 80-100 mph and still have one bar before fuel light comes on. One way was with wind and one way into the wind. After 2wdw flash i get 135-140 with .5 gallons left routinely.
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Post by owle on Jun 6, 2018 23:48:23 GMT -7
Im not sure why everyones fuel range is so low but today i rode 126 miles on highway (to and from work) at 80-100 mph and still have one bar before fuel light comes on. One way was with wind and one way into the wind. After 2wdw flash i get 135-140 with .5 gallons left routinely. If i was getting that kind of MPG i would get it on a dyno to make sure its not running lean. But i'm like that i would want to know, as standard most bikes nowadays are on the border line of running lean due to emission regs, setting up for better performance usually does not see a gain in mpg, some people have reported better fuel economy as the motor has some miles on it , on your figures that would be 155 /160 miles give or take for the 17 litre tank full.
I would be interested to know further details of your set up, exhaust set up, air filter, bike mileage. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 9:12:52 GMT -7
I learned the real fuel range the hard way on Saturday, LOL.
My first tank I got ~150 miles so I thought that would be it.
Well on Saturday my fuel light came on and the last 1/8 was flashing. My trip indicator had 132 miles on it and I figured I had enough to get to the gas station.
Nope ran out of gas at 133 miles and I had to walk it a mile to the gas station!!!
Of course range will vary every tank based on driving conditions but I will never try to go more than 130 miles on a tank again.
BTW I use 93 octane gas with 10% ethanol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 22:48:15 GMT -7
Oh man, that was your workout for a week. Ha ha. But thank you for sharing your experience. Seems like 130 is a safe number to assume. I live at 4K' of altitude, so guess it's possible to get 150 miles per tank if not running it hard, but with the super short gearing, engine is screaming at highway speeds regardless. At least I feel good about the range definitely being better than 120, which is good. Read about reliability issues with the Triumph 675s, so will be the MT-10 when the time comes. Will probably wait for the 19s, since I have't sold my house yet, and have no use for the bike before I move. Hope the 19s come with TPMS . |
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Post by tradmark on Jun 18, 2018 22:51:41 GMT -7
Im not sure why everyones fuel range is so low but today i rode 126 miles on highway (to and from work) at 80-100 mph and still have one bar before fuel light comes on. One way was with wind and one way into the wind. After 2wdw flash i get 135-140 with .5 gallons left routinely. If i was getting that kind of MPG i would get it on a dyno to make sure its not running lean. But i'm like that i would want to know, as standard most bikes nowadays are on the border line of running lean due to emission regs, setting up for better performance usually does not see a gain in mpg, some people have reported better fuel economy as the motor has some miles on it , on your figures that would be 155 /160 miles give or take for the 17 litre tank full.
I would be interested to know further details of your set up, exhaust set up, air filter, bike mileage. Good question but i do have the standard 2wdw flash. Left cat on and just have a graves slip on. That is my mileage on highway. If im tearing it up it is obviously less. With its larger tank my vmax will get me 165 miles +\- but if i get on it a few times hard its down to 130-135 miles. Fyi my bike runs 5800 rpm at 80 mph. |
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Post by tradmark on Jun 18, 2018 22:53:04 GMT -7
Also my bike has standard gearing, pirelli angel gt tires, stock air filter and 6k miles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 23:28:03 GMT -7
Fyi my bike runs 5800 rpm at 80 mph. Thanks a lot brother. Apparently all naked bikes are geared very shortly, due to having a lot less top-end speeds. The Street Triple is even worse, so will just live with that. My other issue with such a high rpm cruising rpm is vibration is typically a lot worse higher up in the rev band, and being a liter engine, could have easily had a taller 6th, but no dice. Hopefully the crossplane mill has less high-frequency vibration than a regular I-4, that puts your hands (and somtimes feet) to sleep at those lofty cruising rpm. We'll see. He he. By the way, scratched the Triumph off the list due to many teething issues, mainly getting stranded due to a defective screen that apparently controls many important things, including the key's chip. Much rather own a simpler and more reliable bike, even if it has a dismal range . Thanks again for your help. |
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Post by Cruizin on Jun 18, 2018 23:37:16 GMT -7
Just go down and get it. Its a wicked awesome freakin bike and it looks like a transformer ready to blast cars out of it's way. Show up at the dealer, sign the shet and ride it home in your underwear, riding a wheelie and flipping people off.
GET SOME!
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Post by Cruizin on Jun 18, 2018 23:42:56 GMT -7
Hi gang. Would greatly appreciate your help with several questions I haven't found during my research on 2018 MT-10s: 1. Does it have cornering ABS and cornering T/C? No word anywhere. Salesman said yes (no on the MT-09. Just regular ABS), but Yamaha site doesn't say anything. That most likely means NO, but want to hear from actual owners. 2. All my previous I-4 bikes bothered me with the high-frequency vibrations, putting my hands (and sometimes feet) to sleep after an hour or less. It was extremely annoying. Hope Yamaha's crossplane crank diminishes that. And yes, that is with 'grip puppies', which is always the first mod I do. I'm also considering a 2018 Triumph Street Triple RS, which lacks cruise, but has much better brakes and suspension, and enough power for my needs. 3. What's the real world FUEL RANGE? With a paltry 4.5-gal tank, have read between 100 and 120 miles. Seems ridiculous, but just want to make sure it's not worse than that. Ha ha. Oh, and the bike needs premium fuel? Or regular is fine, or just in emergencies? Thx. 4. Also disappointed at the super short gearing. Bike tops out at 160 (rev limiter at 12K) unrestricted, meaning 80mph=6K rpm, which is stratospheric for a liter bike (no wonder of the dismal fuel economy. Ha ha). Is that the case on 2018s? Just checking. Oh, and US bikes are reportedly limited to 135 mph. True? 5. Finally, many said US bikes were detuned in 2017 to 135HP (crank), but 2018s have the same 160 as Europe. No word on Yamaha's site about HP. Which is it for 2018? Thx. That's it for now folks. As I mentioned, I'm between this bike and the RS. It's going to be a hard decision if it doesn't have cornering ABS. The Triumph has a 4.6-gal tank, much taller gearing, and a smaller engine, so it should have a substantially higher range (don't care about fuel economy). Both have a quick shifter (only up), but the RS has the best brakes you can have on a bike (M50 calipers with the best radial Brembo MC), Ohlins at the back, and a KYB fully adjustable BPFs. All comments welcome. Many thanks. And yes, it's limited to 133 hp in the usa. The people getting 135 hp are not properly synching their dyno's. Our vendor 2wheeldynoworks is the very best and you can mail your ecu to him, get it back same week and have 147-160 hp depending on if you also get a new exhaust, which also loses around 10 lbs which makes it even faster. They also get rid of the speed limiter and smooth out the fueling.throttle response. As far as MPG. This is not an eco touring bike. This bike is for hauling ass and taking names. it can tour, but no naked bike is good for distance. It is more comfortable than an R-1 or an R-6 though. Also, have you ever done 160 mph on a naked bike? Its not fun for long. |
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Post by tradmark on Jun 19, 2018 12:54:13 GMT -7
Fyi my bike runs 5800 rpm at 80 mph. Thanks a lot brother. Apparently all naked bikes are geared very shortly, due to having a lot less top-end speeds. The Street Triple is even worse, so will just live with that. My other issue with such a high rpm cruising rpm is vibration is typically a lot worse higher up in the rev band, and being a liter engine, could have easily had a taller 6th, but no dice. Hopefully the crossplane mill has less high-frequency vibration than a regular I-4, that puts your hands (and somtimes feet) to sleep at those lofty cruising rpm. We'll see. He he. By the way, scratched the Triumph off the list due to many teething issues, mainly getting stranded due to a defective screen that apparently controls many important things, including the key's chip. Much rather own a simpler and more reliable bike, even if it has a dismal range . Thanks again for your help. Thats one of the awesome things i love about the bike. You get a sort of v-4 throb thru the bars like a vmax under acceleration but the bike is essentially devoid of high frequency vibes. One of the most vibe free bikes ive ever ridden. In comparison the bmw s1000r had my hands numb in less than 1/2 a mile. Im a vibration bitch. Ditched a versys and a ninja 1000 due to vibes. This bike is great and quite feankly doesnt feel high strung going down the highway. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 22:32:59 GMT -7
Thats one of the awesome things i love about the bike. You get a sort of v-4 throb thru the bars like a vmax under acceleration but the bike is essentially devoid of high frequency vibes. One of the most vibe free bikes I've ever ridden. In comparison, the bmw s1000r had my hands numb in less than 1/2 a mile. This bike is great and quite feankly doesnt feel high strung going down the highway. Man, that whole sentence convinced me 100% this is the right bike for me. I had the S1000R on the back of my head, having owned many other BMWs, but I knew it'd be a mistake with all the reports of its unusually vibey engine. Plus I sat on one, and felt like a tractor. The MT-10 feels just right. I made an offer on a 2018 from the crate, but they want me to take the leftover '17 for the same price. No way. Thank you all for your great replies. Happy to join this great family soon . By the way, I don't want to make its range any worse than it is, so will leave it alone as far as tunes and such. Will only slap a Remus carbon slip-on and call it a day. Maybe braided s/s lines if I deem the brakes inferior, but doubt that. Will spend a few benjamins on cosmetic crap, starting with a comfort seat, barend Arrow CRG mirrors on rhinomoto barends, removal of all stickers, reflectors, and passenger pegs (with proper plugs), tail tidy (but before will try to adapt the OEM tailpiece without that awful extension), and a few other things. Thanks again. Will keep you posted. |
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Post by jeffinpdx on Jun 20, 2018 18:07:47 GMT -7
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 23:29:03 GMT -7
If he was local to me, and bike checked out as new, I'd definitely buy it, even though I always buy new from the crate (super anal here). He has most of the things I'd buy anyway, like the comfort seat, slip-on, pads, etc. I'd only have to add barend mirrors. Never seen that slip-on before. Looks good, and no springs. Was contemplating the Remus. My only concern would be the 'tune', since messing with the ECU is irreversible (electronic seal can never be restored). But warranty is probably almost over. He didn't mention how much left. Great deal though. Find me another in El Paso, TX. Ha ha.
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Post by jeffinpdx on Jun 21, 2018 10:28:07 GMT -7
Quitter! LOL One way ticket to Atlanta, ride it back home. There's bound to be some twisty roads between here and there, man. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 12:33:20 GMT -7
Yeah, right; 1,500+ miles mostly in 100º+ heat. No thanks. Ha ha. I'm not into long-distance riding, especially in brutal summer heat. Never did it even when I had sport-touring and touring bikes. Besides, the extra expenses basically buys me a brand new '18 here. An awesome deal for a local; not so much for me. Time to call dealer; they left me a message. Have a great day everybody.
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. Many thanks for your help again; greatly appreciate it. Hopefully the 2019 is around the corner, and with some changes, either IMU (lean-angle ABS/TC), longer gearing, or both. He he. Take care.
