mario
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Post by mario on Apr 4, 2018 5:07:00 GMT -7
Hi all, I'm new here, from the UK. Currently waiting to get my MT-10 and looking at security. Seems to be the only place I might be able to get a chain through the frame (not wheel) is the small gap in the middle of the rear swingarm on the sprocket side as the exhaust side is covered by the...erm....exhaust. So can someone on here please measure the height of the hole in centimeters or millimeters (I know this is an American forum so most will naturally measure things in inches). As I want to get a chain ordered and want to make sure it will fit as some will no doubt be too big, so want to make sure I get the right size. Pic of the hole in the middle of the swingarm I am talking about below....
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doctorzoidberg
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Post by doctorzoidberg on Apr 4, 2018 6:29:43 GMT -7
The height of the swing arm hole is 15/16", or just under 24 mm.
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mario
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Post by mario on Apr 4, 2018 7:19:38 GMT -7
Thanks for that. Was hoping it was slightly bigger so that I could use an "anti-pinch pin" device that could just slide through from the rear, slip the chain on and lock it. However the pin itself is 24mm diameter. Might have to re-think.... Pinch pin looks like this for anyone who is interested....
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Post by doctorzoidberg on Apr 4, 2018 7:40:54 GMT -7
If the pin diameter is exactly 24mm, it may juuuuusst fit, but it would likely be a force fit and scratch up the finish on the swing arm.
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mario
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Post by mario on Apr 4, 2018 9:28:06 GMT -7
Hmmm, well I certainly don't want to damage the swing arm, even in just a cosmetic manner. The pins are advertised at 24mm, but there will always be manufacturing tolerances. It's a family run business who make / sell them that are apparently very helpful and willing to accommodate. So if I call them and ask they MAAAAY be able to find one in the batch which is on the smaller side.
However, failing that I'm honestly not sure where or how I could mount a decent sized chain to the frame. Everywhere that claims their chains are guaranteed bolt cropper proof (not just resistant) has no less than 16mm chain links. Really, for home security that is what I would be after. Out and about I might ge away with a smaller 13-14mm chain purely due to the size / weight of the larger ones not being practical.
However where on earth can you mount chains direct to the frame on these bikes? Has to be somewhere they can't just remove a wheel, slip off the chain and take the rest of the bike. It does happen over here in the UK! Not often, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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Post by evitzee on Apr 4, 2018 13:12:58 GMT -7
I just checked my dimensions and get exactly 24mm using a caliper for measurement. There will be variations because the weld bead is what is determining the opening size and that will vary from bike to bike, but there probably won't be too much variation. There is some space around the rear shock where you might be able to drop a chain through but that would be tight and a real hassle.
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Post by mario on Apr 4, 2018 15:16:43 GMT -7
Thanks for checking that. Seems like it might be a bit of a tight fit. However I also think fitting a D-lock like the one below might be an option. The lock below is sold as a motorcycle lock by the guys who make some of the best motorcycle chains in the UK. I was thinking it might be possible to put the 'D' shaped shackel through the hole in the swingarm as the shackle is 16mm diameter steel and a total of 18mm diameter with the rubber cover, then I can feed the chain behind the swingarm and connect it before putting the base of the lock on so the red base ends up resting on top of the chain guard. The lock is bolt cropper proof like the chain and would need 2 cuts with an angle grinder to free the chain if the chain is fed in from the back. What size do you think would make for the tightest fit around the swingarm / chain / chain guard? Sizes available are 130mm x 87mm or 190mm x 87mm or 260mm x 87mm. Those are the internal dimensions of the 'D' shackle, with sizes increasing length wise only. Thanks again!
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Post by evitzee on Apr 4, 2018 15:34:24 GMT -7
The smallest one you can get by with would be my choice. Probably the small size.
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Post by uknixter on Apr 4, 2018 16:56:53 GMT -7
130x87mm would work. From the inside edge of the chain guard to the widest point of the swing arm hole (front), it is about 55-60mm, so 87mm is no problem. 130mm would give you plenty of length.
FYI - it is about 180mm from the outside of the swing arm to the far side of a spoke in the wheel if you want a little extra lock up.
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Post by mario on Apr 4, 2018 22:39:36 GMT -7
That's brilliant! I did think about using it to lock the wheel also, but I'm not sure how annoying it will get having to constantly move the bike about to get the wheel spokes lined up just right,...then again, it's an extra line of defence, so might be worth it.
Last question is, does anyone know the distance from the top of the chain guard to the centre of the swingarm hole? Just because it will need to be less than 87mm in order for me to feed the 'D' part of the shackle through initially.
Many thanks for all the help so far guys, very, very much appreciated!
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Post by owle on Apr 5, 2018 0:50:41 GMT -7
Mario, i'm in the UK and looked at using that opening in the swinging arm but gave up as any chain over 16mm will not fit, i use a 22mm chain on the rear wheel and a sunken ground anchor, 16mm chain and ground anchor up front, a lock on the rear sprocket and two disc locks one alarmed on the front wheel, alarmed garage, cctv and security lighting, and a Cricket bat, i think that a layered approach to security is best, don't rely on one security device ....... and to any one who thinks that is excessive, there is a crime epidemic in the UK, and the scumbags know that the police will not prioritise property crime, they can't the are overwhelmed. Not Motorcycle related, but gives a good picture of the farce that is law enforcement at the moment. www.express.co.uk/news/uk/941205/London-news-Burglar-stabbed-Lewisham-Hither-Green-pensioner
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Post by mario on Apr 5, 2018 1:30:40 GMT -7
Thanks owle, I am not planning to rely on just 1 security item, but I have all other items lined up, just looking at the main deterrent now which is a good chain. Originally I looked at 19mm, but I seriously want to use the frame to secure it to as front & rear wheels can be removed and the rest can be taken and stripped for parts. However removing the swingarm is not really possible. So I think I will be using that swingarm hole and the D-lock I put an image of above to go through the hole and attach to a 16mm chain.
Reason for going to 16mm is that it is equally impossible to bolt crop by hand as the 19mm, the only difference with the thicker chain is that it will take an extra 5-10 seconds to cut with an angle grinder, and if they are using one of them, nothing will stop them. Not to mention, the D-lock is 16mm thick, so a 19mm chain with 16mm lock is useless, as the lock is the weak point. A 16mm chain with 16mm lock will be lighter, cheaper and the lock will be equal in strength to the chain, so why spend more money & carry more weight with a 19mm chain if the lock is the limiting factor kind of thing.
Out and about I'll have a chain, 2 disc locks and properly installed bike alarm. At home I'll have the same along with a secure garage, CCTV & looking at getting a garage alarm also.
However I just need to know the distance from the top of the chain guard to the centre of the swingarm hole now if anyone can check it for me? Just because it will need to be less than 87mm in order for me to feed the 'D' part of the shackle through.
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Post by owle on Apr 5, 2018 4:11:20 GMT -7
sorry mate, i forgot to say i removed the chain guard, the rear part in preparation to do what you intend to do, as the guard is flimsy not a safety feature it only prevents fling from the chain it is only held in place with a plastic clip and two screws you could literally pull it off with your bare hands. or remove the wheel and do it properly ..... guess which i did. 77mm is the measurement i came to with out the chain guard thats with a few mm spare.
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Post by mario on Apr 5, 2018 4:55:08 GMT -7
Thanks mate! So looks like I either need to remove the chain guard or looking at my first pic above I could maybe put one side of the 'D' shackle into the far right part of the hole in the swingarm with the other side of the shackle above the chain, but under the chain guard, just where the guard stops making contact with the swingarm. Then I could have the red base of the D-lock in the wheel and if I purchased a longer 190mm shackle I could even lock it to a spoke on the wheel. I think that would work well, as I would rather not remove the chain guard if possible. Purely because the local MOT tester insists on them being fitted even though the MOT book does not say a missing one is a failure, only a loose / insecure one should fail. I've also been pulled over for not having one, so to avoid any hassle it would be easier if I could do as I've mentioned above. What do you think? is 87mm enough space to route the 'D' shackle as I mentioned above? Going into the far right of the hole and into the gap between the chain guard & chain? Also, will the far right of the hole accommodate the 18mm shackle? as it seems to narrow at the sides. Thanks again
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Post by owle on Apr 5, 2018 6:13:06 GMT -7
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Post by mario on Apr 5, 2018 6:36:54 GMT -7
Those pics are 100% perfect mate!! Looks like the 87mm D-lock will fit as I mentioned (resting on the chain and going in the hole like your pics) without having to remove the chain guard. I think I will get the 130mm, and the good thing is the seller / maker of the D-lock will sell you just a spare 190mm shackle by itself later on if I want to use it to lock onto the wheel through the spokes. Only an extra £18 for a spare shackle. So I could use the smaller one when out and about and the bigger one at home as an added disc / wheel lock measure. Thanks very much mate! That has answered all my questions.
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Post by owle on Apr 5, 2018 7:43:33 GMT -7
Post up with some pics when you get the d-lock and chain combo in place ..... i may copy you with a d-lock, 16mm chain with loop one end to take away with me in the summer ..... the almax 22mm and lock weight is around 17kg, its to heavy to tour with.
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Post by evitzee on Apr 5, 2018 7:48:59 GMT -7
I feel somewhat guilty....my FZ sits in my garage with the key always in it, no theft crime in the rural area where I live. Sad that there are areas in 1st world countries where theft of one's property is a constant threat. But we have to do what we have to do to keep ourselves and our property safe from the crooks of the world.
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Post by mario on Apr 6, 2018 4:27:53 GMT -7
Owle, will post pics up once I get everything setup and confirm it all works well together.
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