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Post by hoon on Feb 9, 2018 18:34:39 GMT -7
Anyone done any track days? I did the past masters in NZ at Pukekohe www.passmasters.nz/track-timeBeen riding since the 80s and since I was on a 1000cc bike I was stuck in the fast group with the super bikes. The Mt10 was quicker out of the corners than the super bikes, but was left behind on the main straights. Under maximum braking the back wheel snaked around and front forks had a squirmy wobble too. The front brakes were a bit dull. Generally its a great road bike, but struggles at the track in the hard out crazy group. So i took it too a suspension specialist and he racked up the pre load a bit more to max and got rid of any sag. He told me that I need a stronger rated spring for the rear shock. Yamaha doesn't make these. But a work shop guy said a wrecker might have something compatible. The suspension guy reckons the MT10 is a good motor and frame but yamaha save money by using substandard suspension and brakes. He also recommended I change the rear shock to some quality brand like ohlins or nitron Anyone else track day'd the MT10? cheers HOON |
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Post by papawheelie on Feb 9, 2018 20:09:44 GMT -7
Great video.
There are a number of really good videos on YouTube of the FZ/MT10 at track. I wish I knew how to do what you guys do. You make it look fun and easy (whereas I would probably make it look scary and stressful. Haha). Just seeing what the bike is capable of, in the right hands, makes me proud to own and ride it.
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Post by mtneer on Feb 10, 2018 8:03:57 GMT -7
Great video. There are a number of really good videos on YouTube of the FZ/MT10 at track. I wish I knew how to do what you guys do. You make it look fun and easy (whereas I would probably make it look scary and stressful. Haha). Just seeing what the bike is capable of, in the right hands, makes me proud to own and ride it. If you want to go to the track, don't let your fear of going hold you back, most track days are structured for skill level, beginner, intermediate, and advanced, and any good organization will put you in the beginner group if you have never been on the track. As long as you have some basic skill set on a bike to ride proficiently, you should be fine, you will find more help and like minded people willing to help you improve you riding. Research the organizations near you and pick the one that has the best reputation. There are some basic machine prep requirement and you will need safety gear, one or 2 piece leathers, boots, gloves, and helmet, most sport tires will do just fine until you reach the top group. If you like it, it can be addicting, and it improves you ability and makes you a better street rider, you won't want to push as hard on a public road because you know what it takes to ride hard and the consequences if you go over the limit. |
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Post by ikranmakto on Feb 10, 2018 16:58:28 GMT -7
Hi guys I'm based in Sydney and have taken the MT10 to a few track days, I also have an R6 full track bike. Kitted up in full leathers, boots and helmet I weigh about 85 kilos, so I find the stock suspension OK on the track but not great on the road. I haven't noticed the front forks wobbling under heavy braking and I'm not sure about the rear tyre snaking as I never use the back brake for hard corner entry braking. The stock brakes can be improved with a cheap modification of fitting sintered brake pads. The FZ/MT10's flat bars make it a bit more difficult to hug the bike going into corners and the stock rear sets make for plenty of peg and toe grinding, but the low down torque is great for lifting the front wheel after you've exited a corner and get on the gas. Totally agree with the call about Yamaha keeping the cost down by fitting base level brakes and suspension, but hey you can always alter that to suit and still be dollars in front of the competition naked's. papawheelie what mtneer says is a 100% correct. There is a big difference between race days and track days, find a track that puts you into a specific group of riders of the same ability and a coach, you won't regret it, and yep it's addictive. |
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Post by hoon on Feb 10, 2018 19:24:37 GMT -7
Great video. There are a number of really good videos on YouTube of the FZ/MT10 at track. I wish I knew how to do what you guys do. You make it look fun and easy (whereas I would probably make it look scary and stressful. Haha). Just seeing what the bike is capable of, in the right hands, makes me proud to own and ride it. YEAH BRO RIDE YOUR OWN RIDE DO A TRACK DAY |
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Post by hoon on Feb 12, 2018 17:02:53 GMT -7
Hi guys I'm based in Sydney and have taken the MT10 to a few track days, I also have an R6 full track bike. Kitted up in full leathers, boots and helmet I weigh about 85 kilos, so I find the stock suspension OK on the track but not great on the road. I haven't noticed the front forks wobbling under heavy braking and I'm not sure about the rear tyre snaking as I never use the back brake for hard corner entry braking. The stock brakes can be improved with a cheap modification of fitting sintered brake pads. The FZ/MT10's flat bars make it a bit more difficult to hug the bike going into corners and the stock rear sets make for plenty of peg and toe grinding, but the low down torque is great for lifting the front wheel after you've exited a corner and get on the gas. Totally agree with the call about Yamaha keeping the cost down by fitting base level brakes and suspension, but hey you can always alter that to suit and still be dollars in front of the competition naked's. papawheelie what mtneer says is a 100% correct. There is a big difference between race days and track days, find a track that puts you into a specific group of riders of the same ability and a coach, you won't regret it, and yep it's addictive. CHEERS BRO FOR THE COMMENTS. HELPFUL. I HAVE ALREADY UPGRADED THE PADS TO BREMBO. STILL A BIT CRAP. THINKING OF UPGRADING THE RESERVOIR TO R1 AND REAR SHOCK TO OHLINS OR NITRON |
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Post by deftone on Mar 10, 2018 8:22:08 GMT -7
Just my 2 cents but I've done a few trackdays on my FZ-10 and I've been doing trackdays since '99. I ride "A" group and most of the guys I ride with are racers practicing. Same bikes, same track, same riders. We dice it up. Whatever. I know guys who just do trackdays who are as fast as the top five AFM Superbike racers. I'm not, but they are.
I have owned several track bikes with a lot of very expensive suspension work. My suspension guy (Dave Moss) said the FZ-10 suspension was spot on, no rework needed other than a few adjustments. I agree. A faster guy might notice the difference, but I don't.
IMHO the brakes are fine too, they just lack feel. New pads make all the difference. The only thing the FZ-10 really needs at the track IMHO is rear sets. The pegs drag way too easy. But they were designed to be low for comfort.
If you want a track bike, get an R1 or an R6.
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Post by ikranmakto on Mar 10, 2018 17:48:59 GMT -7
Just my 2 cents but I've done a few trackdays on my FZ-10 and I've been doing trackdays since '99. I ride "A" group and most of the guys I ride with are racers practicing. Same bikes, same track, same riders. We dice it up. Whatever. I know guys who just do trackdays who are as fast as the top five AFM Superbike racers. I'm not, but they are. I have owned several track bikes with a lot of very expensive suspension work. My suspension guy (Dave Moss) said the FZ-10 suspension was spot on, no rework needed other than a few adjustments. I agree. A faster guy might notice the difference, but I don't. IMHO the brakes are fine too, they just lack feel. New pads make all the difference. The only thing the FZ-10 really needs at the track IMHO is rear sets. The pegs drag way too easy. But they were designed to be low for comfort. If you want a track bike, get an R1 or an R6. , yep, yep and yep, that's it in a nut shell. |
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Post by stoltecmoto on Mar 11, 2018 19:37:23 GMT -7
The -10 makes for a damn good dual purpose bike right out of the box. Here's a short video from our bike last season:
I'd agree that the suspension will work pretty well on the track for most guys (assuming the spring rates are right for you). It's basically a revalved R1 setup. Better suspension on this bike pays dividends on the street.
As far as brakes and rearsets...upgrading both is a nicety. Not a necessity, but a definite improvement.
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Post by blackclu on May 22, 2018 9:55:44 GMT -7
I bought my bike in January and have tracked it 3 times since. Before I even took it to the track, I put a R1 shock on it with the proper spring, I'm 6'4" 220. The R1 shock is ride height adjustable which is very helpful to get the bike set up to turn for the track. Once I raised the back up a bit the bike turned a lot better. The fork is a pretty nice unit. As of now, my bike is bone stock for brakes, they definitely arent great, but also not terrible. I am removing the ABS and replacing the master cylinder and lines soon. Rearsets definitely help, dragging toes on the stock set is really easy. I like a lower set of bars, but that is a personal thing. I was pretty comfortable on the track, riding in A group no problem at all. Here are a few pics from my last time out.     |
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Post by latte on May 24, 2018 7:44:29 GMT -7
I bought my bike in January and have tracked it 3 times since. Before I even took it to the track, I put a R1 shock on it with the proper spring, I'm 6'4" 220. The R1 shock is ride height adjustable which is very helpful to get the bike set up to turn for the track. Once I raised the back up a bit the bike turned a lot better. The fork is a pretty nice unit. As of now, my bike is bone stock for brakes, they definitely arent great, but also not terrible. I am removing the ABS and replacing the master cylinder and lines soon. Rearsets definitely help, dragging toes on the stock set is really easy. I like a lower set of bars, but that is a personal thing. I was pretty comfortable on the track, riding in A group no problem at all. Here are a few pics from my last time out. I’ve contemplated deleting the ABS pump, what lines are you going to use since now you’d only need lines going from the MC to the calipers? Are you getting a pump delete module to get rid of any check engine or ABS lights? |
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Post by blackclu on May 24, 2018 9:32:40 GMT -7
I got the ABS delete plug from ftecu.com The module is so big and heavy that I wanted to remove it and all the stock lines are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ugly. As for new lines, I am using Core Moto. They have made me custom lines for other bikes and they are REALLY nice. I should have it all tomorrow and then put it together tomorrow. I will post it all up.
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Post by lilhulkjr93 on Jul 6, 2020 20:19:53 GMT -7
Great video. There are a number of really good videos on YouTube of the FZ/MT10 at track. I wish I knew how to do what you guys do. You make it look fun and easy (whereas I would probably make it look scary and stressful. Haha). Just seeing what the bike is capable of, in the right hands, makes me proud to own and ride it. Here's my track day! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 12:03:46 GMT -7
Just took my FZ-10 to its first track day yesterday.
It was at Motorsport Ranch in Cresson, Texas.
Bike was amazing! I've read through this thread and will probably echo what some others have already said.
I've always thought the brakes, on the street, felt mushy but on the track when having to break hard they held up just fine. Didnt really notice a lack of stopping power or serious fading.
I did notice that when I broke really hard from 100+ the back would get a little squirmy and then cause the front to wobble some too.
Suspension felt ok but I will have it set up before my next track day. I felt the front end dive a little more than I liked and also the rear pogo'd a little over rough patches.
The motor is amazing. Coming out of a corner I could pretty much pull on anyone out there. Had to be careful as even in 3rd gear the front end would go up on me.
All in all I love it on the track but if I keep doing track days on a regular basis I will look for something more dedicated.
Once I got comfortable and really started pushing the bike I was longing for lower bars especially in the corners.
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Post by vullnet on Apr 13, 2021 15:45:40 GMT -7
I wanna track it, I'm just scared of crashing it while paying it off.
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Post by sdshawn on Apr 13, 2021 19:31:56 GMT -7
I'm with you would love to run on a track but to scared what may happen like pushing it just a bit to much.
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Post by willl84 on Apr 14, 2021 3:21:55 GMT -7
I'd love to take mine as well but don't want to buy a full leather suit just to try it out lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 8:37:59 GMT -7
I'd love to take mine as well but don't want to buy a full leather suit just to try it out lol There are always an abundance of lightly used, or even single use, leather suites out there. Lots of people buy this crap brand new, go out once, and then learn that riding or track riding is not for them. I picked up a Joe Rocket leather suit only worn once for $350! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 9:14:24 GMT -7
I wanna track it, I'm just scared of crashing it while paying it off. I definitely understand your hesitation. But if you just stick to level 1, beginner, novice group then you wont really have a chance to push it that hard and will be fine. In fact every track day I've ever been to all the crashes happen at level 2,3 because level 1's are usually learning and taking it safe. |
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Post by sdshawn on Apr 14, 2021 13:35:38 GMT -7
You did not ask me but poeple go to the track to air it out ide be wheeling on every straight and turn I could hang it on. Pushing it to the limit I'm pretty sure most people ride track cuase you can't go balls without always watching fir five o. Ide be knee draging the first day .
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