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Post by tigershark on Jan 9, 2017 21:52:27 GMT -7
You're welcome Nick.
475 on the spring for my light geared up weight of 190 lbs. and designed for my conservative sporty daily rides on garbage blacktop roads. Looking forward to the improvement.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 4:29:01 GMT -7
You skinny ass!!! LOL
I think you need to get a trailer with room for two bikes, swing through Iowa and pick me up on your way down to Deals Gap to test it out. LOL
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Post by what on Jan 15, 2017 15:15:03 GMT -7
So the stock shock spring is fit to be a paper weight?
I've been reading different things from different people and was curious what the consensus on this forum is. Some folks have said they weight 240-260 in gear and have never bottomed out the rear, others claim to weigh 180lbs and bottom the rear out in every corner and on every bump on its stiffest setting...
My Street Triple R runs 12.6kg/mm (700-ish lb/in) stock in the rear which works well for me. Hard to believe Yamaha would stick such a crappy spring on the back of the FZ10.
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Post by slv on Jan 15, 2017 17:18:08 GMT -7
So the stock shock spring is fit to be a paper weight? I've been reading different things from different people and was curious what the consensus on this forum is. Some folks have said they weight 240-260 in gear and have never bottomed out the rear, others claim to weigh 180lbs and bottom the rear out in every corner and on every bump on its stiffest setting... My Street Triple R runs 12.6kg/mm (700-ish lb/in) stock in the rear which works well for me. Hard to believe Yamaha would stick such a crappy spring on the back of the FZ10. Mines not crappy at all. I'm about 225 geared up. I've not bottomed out once, and it's very compliant when I push it in the curves. I just read an article in which the R1S and R1M were tested and timed by two riders at Willow Springs, the were less than .4 seconds apart. The S has the same shock as the FZ, our spring is heavier. The M is Ohlins. Personally, I think pepople exaggerate the differences on street bikes. My suspension seems to be dialed in pretty well. |
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Post by tigershark on Jan 15, 2017 21:40:51 GMT -7
I'm upgrading to a 475lb/in shock which is stiffer than stock. A far cry from 700 ish.
The bottom line is road surfaces. Canyon carving in Cali and Tail of the Dragon are like glass compared to my roads. My typical 100 mile day rides are full of surface cracks, dips, bumps, frost boils, and crappy patch jobs, plus the irregular slab heights every 20' on our cement freeways. I set my rear sag throughout its range incrementally for consecutive 100 mile rides. I used a tie wrap on the shock piston rod reset for every ride and there was only one precise setting where it wasn't bottomed out when I got home. I weigh 190 lbs geared up. An added point is that until I used the tie wrap, I had no idea I was bottoming out, although I knew the rides were pretty rough.
Unless your roads are smooth, the shock is definitely undersprung. I'm spending $1200 on a new shock, because I'm tired of getting hammered on every ride. I have every reason to believe it will make my rides much more enjoyable and worth it in the end.
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Post by stoltecmoto on Jan 16, 2017 6:43:49 GMT -7
The stock fork springs are 0.93 kg/mm and are the same as the R1 and R1S. For general all around usage, this is a good rate for someone in the 200-220 lb range (in full riding gear). You might need more or the track.
Out back, the 470 lb/in spring is also the same as the R1 and R1S. The spring might actually be rated a bit stiffer than the R1, but stock springs typically have a wide tolerance range. So in effect, they rate out in the same ballpark. This rate is decent for someone in the 175-190 (ish) range (again, geared up).
Can't compare shock spring rates to other bikes. The rear suspension's leverage varies from design to design. As an example, my VFR800 weighs about 50 lbs more than this bike, but uses a 1000 lb/in spring. More than twice the spring rate.
If you're happy with the suspension, you luck out! For the rest of us, it's obvious when things need to change.
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Post by what on Jan 16, 2017 11:04:34 GMT -7
Thanks for the replies. I'll just have to keep it in the back of my mind I guess. I'll be around 280 with gear so a re-spring will probably be in order regardless. The bike fits my 6'6 self pretty damn well though I have to say, and the front end feels pretty good stock which is nice.
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Post by tigershark on Jan 16, 2017 11:26:59 GMT -7
You don't happen to play football do you? Perfect size.
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Post by mrhix on Feb 11, 2017 19:02:13 GMT -7
I am 175 lbs geared up and just installed some Stoltec Moto 0.85 fork springs. I have not set the sag yet, just used the settings for the stock forks. It is no longer a jackhammer riding thru the craters and mountains in the Missouri roads any more but there is a little wobble thru the bumpy corners. I will get a friend to help with sag to get the preload in the ballpark, then do some tests with comp & reb to see how much better I can get out of the stock valving.
Thanks Stoltec!
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Post by Cruizin on Feb 11, 2017 19:06:27 GMT -7
I am 175 lbs geared up and just installed some Stoltec Moto 0.85 fork springs. I have not set the sag yet, just used the settings for the stock forks. It is no longer a jackhammer riding thru the craters and mountains in the Missouri roads any more but there is a little wobble thru the bumpy corners. I will get a friend to help with sag to get the preload in the ballpark, then do some tests with comp & reb to see how much better I can get out of the stock valving. Thanks Stoltec! MrHix i love your avatar pic. |
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Post by tattoosbycale on Jun 29, 2017 13:30:06 GMT -7
Came here to say I finally got my z that i ordered in March, what took forever was Cannon Racecraft www.cannonracecraft.com/ out of Oklahoma City, made springs for me as I weigh 350#, I didnt have the suspension revalved, just resprung, and so far its amazing. Just wanted everyone to know that Cannon now has the specs available and can crank out springs! |
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Post by stoltecmoto on Jun 29, 2017 13:56:51 GMT -7
Properly springing the bike is definitely step 1!
You should have given us a call. We have the springs you needed...in stock! Nothing to wait on, no custom fees.
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Post by tattoosbycale on Jun 29, 2017 14:06:14 GMT -7
Properly springing the bike is definitely step 1! You should have given us a call. We have the springs you needed...in stock! Nothing to wait on, no custom fees. Theyve always been fair with me, plus theyre an hour away so i can go yell at them hahaha |
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Post by stoltecmoto on Jun 29, 2017 18:35:28 GMT -7
Well, that makes sense. Plus, we don't like getting yelled at...haha.
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Post by lolibater on Jul 22, 2017 16:54:50 GMT -7
I'll chime in. I'm 5'11" 140lbs. The bike felt like a rock for the past 3000 miles. I got it resprung today at Catalyst Reaction Tuning.
Front Springs: 230mm 8.5N (OEM is 220mm, 9.1N)
Rear Spring: 155mm 80N (OEM is 160mm, 85N/88N [disputed])
They also adjusted the preload, rebund and compression settings for me. Holy crap, this is what this bike was supposed to feel like! Defintely needs a brake upgrade now. I had no idea why everyone was saying the brakes sucked on the FZ10. Now I know it's because my forks weren't compressing at all lol. Good to go now!
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