audiblepop94
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Post by audiblepop94 on Aug 7, 2017 19:27:23 GMT -7
Out of curiosity, how would you guys describe the amount of pressure you are using to activate the quick shift sensor?
I ask because I expected it to be much less pressure than I am having to use for my QS to activate and cut ignition. I'd say it feels like a very solid push with the toe, about double that of a normal shift with the clutch in.. does that sound correct?
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Post by evitzee on Aug 7, 2017 20:21:39 GMT -7
I detected no real change in the shift characteristics after I installed the QS, it felt the same as the stock setup except I didn't need to use the clutch. Have you adjusted the lengths of the shift rod and switch according to the instructions? It is possible if the shift lever is in a slightly different position than the stock setup your foot may think there is a difference in the shift effort.
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Post by audiblepop94 on Aug 8, 2017 5:11:54 GMT -7
I detected no real change in the shift characteristics after I installed the QS, it felt the same as the stock setup except I didn't need to use the clutch. Have you adjusted the lengths of the shift rod and switch according to the instructions? It is possible if the shift lever is in a slightly different position than the stock setup your foot may think there is a difference in the shift effort. I have it set up the same angles as before, almost exactly 90 degrees top and bottom.. Hopefully I don't have a faulty sensor with engagement issues |
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Post by landmark518 on Aug 8, 2017 6:52:52 GMT -7
After installing my QS I definitely noticed that it required more force on change gears. About twice as much as you mentioned but it doesn't es bother me at all. I am getting my annual service done this week and will have the shop check to make sure the measurements are in spec. I measured as best as I could when I installed it but just want to double check.
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Post by audiblepop94 on Aug 8, 2017 6:59:14 GMT -7
After installing my QS I definitely noticed that it required more force on change gears. About twice as much as you mentioned but it does bother me at all. I am getting my annual service done this week and will have the shop check to make sure the measurements are in spec. I measured as best as I could when I installed it but just want to double check. Good to hear, I'm not alone. Maybe it's normal, I'm hoping more people will input here |
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Post by audiblepop94 on Oct 12, 2017 10:46:33 GMT -7
After installing my QS I definitely noticed that it required more force on change gears. About twice as much as you mentioned but it doesn't es bother me at all. I am getting my annual service done this week and will have the shop check to make sure the measurements are in spec. I measured as best as I could when I installed it but just want to double check. I was doing a little homework earlier and it seems there is a common problem with gytr quick shifter sensors going bad after a few thousand miles.. and sometimes much sooner. I read on several different '15+ R1 forums that some quick shifter sensors end up requiring more and more pressure to activate, and in some cases failing to work at all. My QS is getting harder to activate and I will be taking it to the dealer to see if I can get it replaced through them or Yamaha... I have checked all points of the shift linkage and everything is functioning correctly, narrowing it down to the sensor. I don't like the thought of bending a shift fork because of a failing quick shifter. |
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Post by roninser on Oct 12, 2017 14:50:53 GMT -7
Just chiming in on hard shifting in general....I have a couple threads in the past where I posted my issues, in short very hard shifting, requiring much much more effort than I thought necessary. Knowing bikes pretty well having spent many years working in the industry and running a service dept. I had several things that I feared may be issues. Many FZ owners reported hard shifting however and that it improved drastically with mileage. I run the GYTR shifter too, and now with almost 10k on the bike it FINALLY shifts almost as well as most japanese branded transmissions I expect. I run Amsoil, keep a vigilant eye on chain tension and lube, and have messed with all the easily tweaked variables left and right. Sounds like my issues are unrelated to yours however if you only started experiencing after you installed the shifter. Like what has been said, the angles are important, in my research I did find one person who had issues due to one of the heim/ball joints not being lubed. So bad in fact he was unable to engage some gears.
Best of luck!
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Post by audiblepop94 on Oct 12, 2017 18:04:06 GMT -7
Just chiming in on hard shifting in general....I have a couple threads in the past where I posted my issues, in short very hard shifting, requiring much much more effort than I thought necessary. Knowing bikes pretty well having spent many years working in the industry and running a service dept. I had several things that I feared may be issues. Many FZ owners reported hard shifting however and that it improved drastically with mileage. I run the GYTR shifter too, and now with almost 10k on the bike it FINALLY shifts almost as well as most japanese branded transmissions I expect. I run Amsoil, keep a vigilant eye on chain tension and lube, and have messed with all the easily tweaked variables left and right. Sounds like my issues are unrelated to yours however if you only started experiencing after you installed the shifter. Like what has been said, the angles are important, in my research I did find one person who had issues due to one of the heim/ball joints not being lubed. So bad in fact he was unable to engage some gears. Best of luck! The insight is appreciated! I've looked into every possible culprit and everything linkage wise, and chain tension is correct, and everything functions properly except using the QS to shift. The issue has been ongoing since I installed the QS and seems to be getting worse and worse. When I put the stock shift rod on tomorrow I'll compare standard feel and relay the findings to this thread, although the tranny shifts perfectly fine while clutching, so there should be no difference. I also need to note that the ignition cut feel has changed day to day while using the QS. One day the throttle cut will be abrupt and slide right through to the next gear, and the next day the ignition cut will be delayed and the gear change will be very jerky and out of timing with the gear change. This does not seem to change during a ride, only day to day. I only use the QS in B mode during moderate to hard acceleration because it doesn't seem to like the slower throttle response in standard mode. I agree the 10 has by far the most finicky transmission I have ever felt on a bike.. I've noticed the transmission getting knotchy and more hard shifting at the shift lever as the bike has broken in over this first 3500 miles (referring to standard clutch shifting). I certainly hope it smooths out. And I used to think my R6 tranny was bad?? |
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Post by evitzee on Oct 12, 2017 18:23:55 GMT -7
"The insight is appreciated! I've looked into every possible culprit and everything linkage wise, and chain tension is correct, and everything functions properly except using the QS to shift. The issue has been ongoing since I installed the QS and seems to be getting worse and worse. When I put the stock shift rod on tomorrow I'll compare standard feel and relay the findings to this thread, although the tranny shifts perfectly fine while clutching, so there should be no difference.
I also need to note that the ignition cut feel has changed day to day while using the QS. One day the throttle cut will be abrupt and slide right through to the next gear, and the next day the ignition cut will be delayed and the gear change will be very jerky and out of timing with the gear change. This does not seem to change during a ride, only day to day. I only use the QS in B mode during moderate to hard acceleration because it doesn't seem to like the slower throttle response in standard mode.
I agree the 10 has by far the most finicky transmission I have ever felt on a bike.. I've noticed the transmission getting knotchy and more hard shifting at the shift lever as the bike has broken in over this first 3500 miles (referring to standard clutch shifting). I certainly hope it smooths out. And I used to think my R6 tranny was bad??"
I've owned a YZF-600R, FJR 1300, FZ6, FZ1 and an FZ-10 and without a doubt the FZ-10 is the best shifting tranny of the bunch. Action is very crisp, easy to find neutral, and the QS shifter works perfectly for me and I've got just about 3,500 miles on the clock. I don't remember reading any test reports in the mags or online that didn't have very positive feelings on the transmission. The QS does not like slow or steady speed shifting, but as long as the bike is accelerating the QS works fine for me. Something doesn't sound right with the issues you are having. You could have a bum switch or a bad connection where it plugs into the system.
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Post by landmark518 on Oct 13, 2017 8:26:04 GMT -7
I have to say that the shifting has become much smoother over time. It is most definitely not getting worst in my case but I will continue to monitor the situation for the long term.
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Post by roninser on Oct 13, 2017 16:02:42 GMT -7
I am the second owner of this 10, so idk about how it was before 3k miles. My guess is much the same, seemed to get worse and worse for a couple thousand miles and has been getting better and better. I mark it to the better oil, more break in time, and the QS. Audible, sounds like you def have a bad solenoid. Either that or the QS isn't always registering to the ecu in some way The fact that the ignition cut varies tells me it has to be electical. If you havent check the connector, also installing your old linkeage will help alot as you said in diagnosing it. Another easy test is with the bike on but not running toss a test light or multimeter on the back of the plug, operate the shifter and see if its consistently working as in sending signal. It's only a 3 wire plug, although I don't know the schematic off the top of my head as to which wire to check for signal. good luck man!
Oh and maybe try going through the setup process again on the ecu. I resume your QS shows on the dash?
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Post by audiblepop94 on Oct 15, 2017 15:50:33 GMT -7
I am the second owner of this 10, so idk about how it was before 3k miles. My guess is much the same, seemed to get worse and worse for a couple thousand miles and has been getting better and better. I mark it to the better oil, more break in time, and the QS. Audible, sounds like you def have a bad solenoid. Either that or the QS isn't always registering to the ecu in some way The fact that the ignition cut varies tells me it has to be electical. If you havent check the connector, also installing your old linkeage will help alot as you said in diagnosing it. Another easy test is with the bike on but not running toss a test light or multimeter on the back of the plug, operate the shifter and see if its consistently working as in sending signal. It's only a 3 wire plug, although I don't know the schematic off the top of my head as to which wire to check for signal. good luck man! Oh and maybe try going through the setup process again on the ecu. I resume your QS shows on the dash? The bike shifts perfectly normal with standard linkage as I assumed it would. I'm just going to go ahead and run the QS to the dealers and see what I can get done with it.. I have to assume at this point it's the same issue others have had since 2015 with the R1's. Ronin, I've re-flashed the ECU a few times recently with no affect on the QS issues, QS dash indication has always been present. The plug seems fine, sealed and tight. As a comms tech I should have have thought to pull out a multi meter by now and mess around with it.. good idea. I'll definitely try that when time allows |
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Post by roninser on Oct 16, 2017 9:29:56 GMT -7
Cool deal Audible...hope the dealer or multimeter bring you some joy. With the history you found on previous QS's, i'd bet youre headed in the right direction.
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