legacykingdom
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Post by legacykingdom on Mar 21, 2023 7:35:20 GMT -7
I have tried searching and everything I have found has said it is not possible without pulling a fuse for the abs motor or something of the sorts. I mainly ask due to the fact that I have seen two reviews online where they say they managed to turn it off. One is very vague saying "he managed to beat the abs" if my memory is correct, and the other said that he has no idea what he did to turn it off. Sorry if this has been touched on previously
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Post by parthz8 on Mar 21, 2023 8:48:23 GMT -7
From system, ABS cannot be turned off. Its default ON. You can physically eliminate ABS Module, but you need kinda of plug to avoid ECU alarm. Re-route the brake lines so that after ABS removal, front and rear brake are direct from there resp. master cylinders. many riders incl. track racers dont recommend this though..
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Post by willl84 on Mar 21, 2023 11:38:51 GMT -7
I have tried searching and everything I have found has said it is not possible without pulling a fuse for the abs motor or something of the sorts. I mainly ask due to the fact that I have seen two reviews online where they say they managed to turn it off. One is very vague saying "he managed to beat the abs" if my memory is correct, and the other said that he has no idea what he did to turn it off. Sorry if this has been touched on previously Like parthz8 said, no you cannot turn it off. You can buy ABS-delete brake line kits though but I wouldn't recommend it. My ABS has already saved my ass.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Mar 22, 2023 6:49:42 GMT -7
FTECU makes an ABS delete module that you can add to the bike to make it switchable. Also, there is two fuses for ABS. I believe pulling one of them might get the desired result but don't trust me, I've never tried it. This may trigger a Check Engine Light you won't be able to get rid of without having a reader and the connection plug. But I know pulling the fuse works on other bikes. www.manualslib.com/manual/1287441/Yamaha-Mt-10.html?page=93#manual
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squiresca
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Post by squiresca on Apr 12, 2023 6:05:21 GMT -7
Why would you want to? I can see if this is a race or track only bike, but having ABS on the street is a legit benefit. I know for a fact that on at least 3 occasions, having ABS saved me from a trip to the ER or the morgue...
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Post by mt10orc on Apr 12, 2023 7:49:13 GMT -7
Why would you want to? I can see if this is a race or track only bike, but having ABS on the street is a legit benefit. I know for a fact that on at least 3 occasions, having ABS saved me from a trip to the ER or the morgue... Totally agree. It has saved my ass more than once in the last few years. Don’t know how I survived the many years without it.
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Post by willl84 on Apr 13, 2023 3:43:16 GMT -7
Why would you want to? I can see if this is a race or track only bike, but having ABS on the street is a legit benefit. I know for a fact that on at least 3 occasions, having ABS saved me from a trip to the ER or the morgue... Totally agree. It has saved my ass more than once in the last few years. Don’t know how I survived the many years without it. Same here. My only gripe is the rear ABS kicks in a lot sooner than I would expect.
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Post by squiresca on Apr 13, 2023 7:35:07 GMT -7
Totally agree. It has saved my ass more than once in the last few years. Don’t know how I survived the many years without it. Same here. My only gripe is the rear ABS kicks in a lot sooner than I would expect. You use the rear brake? I use mine to hold me on an incline at stop lights and that's about it. I rarely use it on street or track... I am always on the front, unless its a panic stop
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Post by mt10orc on Apr 13, 2023 7:51:03 GMT -7
Same here. My only gripe is the rear ABS kicks in a lot sooner than I would expect. You use the rear brake? I use mine to hold me on an incline at stop lights and that's about it. I rarely use it on street or track... I am always on the front, unless its a panic stop. I use it all the time. It’s part of my braking routine. Not sure why you wouldn’t? I don’t do track so no comment to that, but on the street my braking is a combo of both front/rear. Use is in corners if I want to sluff off speed if I’m too hot in the corner like it better than using the front as I can keep my line. Been using it this way for the 45 years I’ve been riding. Never dumped or laid my bike down due to braking, except in the dirt on my old 250 Elsinore back in the 80’s. But dirt bike riding is nothing like tarmac riding.
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Post by squiresca on Apr 13, 2023 8:01:45 GMT -7
You use the rear brake? I use mine to hold me on an incline at stop lights and that's about it. I rarely use it on street or track... I am always on the front, unless its a panic stop. I use it all the time. It’s part of my braking routine. Not sure why you wouldn’t? I don’t do track so no comment to that, but on the street my braking is a combo of both front/rear. Use is in corners if I want to sluff off speed if I’m too hot in the corner like it better than using the front as I can keep my line. Been using it this way for the 45 years I’ve been riding. Never dumped or laid my bike down due to braking, except in the dirt on my old 250 Elsinore back in the 80’s. But dirt bike riding is nothing like tarmac riding. ------------------------------------------ Because 90% of the braking is done up front. Also, you shouldn't be braking hard into the turn... Set your speed going into the corner, tip it in, light trail braking to the apex if needed and then power out... If you are hitting the brakes harder well into the turn because you came in too hot, it happens, but it should be the exception rather than the norm, is all... There are uses for the back brake to help settle the chassis and stuff... But I am just not using it all that much. We spend most of our time up in the mtns running close to a track day pace on twisty roads and I don't know that myself or anyone in the group uses the read brakes much. I will ask my cohorts and see what they say...
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Post by mt10orc on Apr 13, 2023 8:38:19 GMT -7
I use it all the time. It’s part of my braking routine. Not sure why you wouldn’t? I don’t do track so no comment to that, but on the street my braking is a combo of both front/rear. Use is in corners if I want to sluff off speed if I’m too hot in the corner like it better than using the front as I can keep my line. Been using it this way for the 45 years I’ve been riding. Never dumped or laid my bike down due to braking, except in the dirt on my old 250 Elsinore back in the 80’s. But dirt bike riding is nothing like tarmac riding. ------------------------------------------ Because 90% of the braking is done up front. Also, you shouldn't be braking hard into the turn... Set your speed going into the corner, tip it in, light trail braking to the apex if needed and then power out... If you are hitting the brakes harder well into the turn because you came in too hot, it happens, but it should be the exception rather than the norm, is all... There are uses for the back brake to help settle the chassis and stuff... But I am just not using it all that much. We spend most of our time up in the mtns running close to a track day pace on twisty roads and I don't know that myself or anyone in the group uses the read brakes much. I will ask my cohorts and see what they say... I understand what u are saying as I’ve been at this for just a bit. Just letting you know I use the rear brake for more than just gravel roads and holding my bike on a hill. Remember this isn’t debate or who is right. just letting u know some of us do it differently. When I’m ripping it the ratio is 70/30 front to rear when braking, to the best of my ability. I do have to say having ABS let’s you get closer to the edge of your ability. Nothing makes u pucker more than loosing traction. Done that a time or two over the years. Knock on wood nothing bad happened due to it. So glad the new tech makes riding safer for us hooligans.
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Post by willl84 on Apr 13, 2023 10:48:03 GMT -7
Same here. My only gripe is the rear ABS kicks in a lot sooner than I would expect. You use the rear brake? I use mine to hold me on an incline at stop lights and that's about it. I rarely use it on street or track... I am always on the front, unless its a panic stop Yep. You're supposed to use them both together. Most of the time for commuting though the engine braking takes care of most of the slowing.
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Post by squiresca on Apr 13, 2023 10:50:09 GMT -7
I rarely commute, and even around town, I just use the fronts... So much stopping power there that I haven't needed much else...
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Post by squiresca on Apr 13, 2023 10:50:26 GMT -7
Yeah man... I chuckle when I see riders downplaying ABS and traction... It's like, we have been riding a long time and seen the evolution of tech. We remember crap brakes and bias ply tires, rubber band suspension, etc...
The new stuff is amazing. I can't imagine not having it, now that I have used it, seen what it can do and trust it. These companies spend millions on R&D and test riders and getting data from MotoGP and WSBK teams, etc... They pour all that into these systems.
Look at today's literbikes. They would contend with MotoGP bikes from not all that long ago... The reason they can sell them to muppets like us, are those safety systems... lol
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Post by bmwd40 on Apr 13, 2023 11:19:30 GMT -7
I rarely commute, and even around town, I just use the fronts... So much stopping power there that I haven't needed much else... Coming from 2 strokes, I hate engine braking. Had 2WDW take as much out as possible. On my track bike I turn the idle up to help midigate engine braking. Not to mention too much engine braking is not good for cylinder wear.
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Post by squiresca on Apr 13, 2023 11:30:03 GMT -7
Yeah but at least with the newest gen(22+), we have EBM... so I can adjust how much engine braking I want(to a degree)... My 2018 Tuono V4 1100rr and 2022 R1 had that as well. Which is cool...
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Post by RedAndBlack on Apr 14, 2023 7:51:03 GMT -7
Just to add my two cents, I stopped using the rear brake at the track when I started going to the track. Still used it on the street. About a year or so into my track career, I put myself into a bad situation with a buddy and had to get hard on the brakes. I used both breaks out of the natural panic response and surely enough, locked up the rear. I ended up scrubbing off a good amount of speed fishtailing the fuck out of the bike before the bike finally threw me off and I highsided. I wasn't injured and bike didn't suffer much damage but the lesson was learned there. You will revert back to what you do daily and how you train. So I basically swore off the rear brake on any type of fast riding. Yes there's anecdotes that using the rear brake will get you to stop slightly sooner, but in my opinion, almost all of us will lock the rear tire up in a emergency braking situation and all but the truly top elite motorcycle riders can manage that locking up of the rear to bring the bike to a safe stop. Even with ABS, most of the weight will transfer to the front, ABS will kick in on the rear and be a distracting, violent pulsating that I've yet to find manages the rear brake and tire on any bike I've ridden.
But you could ignore my advice above and rely on ABS and be fine. And then obviously you can reach such a skill level that you reintroduce the rear brake into your aggressive motorcycle riding to slide the rear into corners. So don't take this anti-rear brake PSA as gospel. We are a product of our experiences.
On the electronics side, use them all and use them to at least their middle range selection. If you are riding correctly, it should be a rare occurrence that ABS or TCS kicks in. They are not there to interfere with your everyday riding and if you are riding correctly and don't have them on the most intrusive setting, you should not have any encounter with them. They are there to save your ass when you get into a situation where environmental or exterior forces impact the situation beyond your riding ability. And when environmental forces like rain, bad roads, etc introduce themselves, you should turn these aids on to their top level. I remember years ago there was a statistic that 30 % of motorcycle fatalities could be reduced with standardized ABS on all motorcycles. You can't argue with a one-third reduction rate of motorcycle fatalities.
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Post by squiresca on Apr 15, 2023 6:04:19 GMT -7
Just to add my two cents, I stopped using the rear brake at the track when I started going to the track. Still used it on the street. About a year or so into my track career, I put myself into a bad situation with a buddy and had to get hard on the brakes. I used both breaks out of the natural panic response and surely enough, locked up the rear. I ended up scrubbing off a good amount of speed fishtailing the fuck out of the bike before the bike finally threw me off and I highsided. I wasn't injured and bike didn't suffer much damage but the lesson was learned there. You will revert back to what you do daily and how you train. So I basically swore off the rear brake on any type of fast riding. Yes there's anecdotes that using the rear brake will get you to stop slightly sooner, but in my opinion, almost all of us will lock the rear tire up in a emergency braking situation and all but the truly top elite motorcycle riders can manage that locking up of the rear to bring the bike to a safe stop. Even with ABS, most of the weight will transfer to the front, ABS will kick in on the rear and be a distracting, violent pulsating that I've yet to find manages the rear brake and tire on any bike I've ridden. But you could ignore my advice above and rely on ABS and be fine. And then obviously you can reach such a skill level that you reintroduce the rear brake into your aggressive motorcycle riding to slide the rear into corners. So don't take this anti-rear brake PSA as gospel. We are a product of our experiences. On the electronics side, use them all and use them to at least their middle range selection. If you are riding correctly, it should be a rare occurrence that ABS or TCS kicks in. They are not there to interfere with your everyday riding and if you are riding correctly and don't have them on the most intrusive setting, you should not have any encounter with them. They are there to save your ass when you get into a situation where environmental or exterior forces impact the situation beyond your riding ability. And when environmental forces like rain, bad roads, etc introduce themselves, you should turn these aids on to their top level. I remember years ago there was a statistic that 30 % of motorcycle fatalities could be reduced with standardized ABS on all motorcycles. You can't argue with a one-third reduction rate of motorcycle fatalities. Totally agree. Once you get used to really using the front brakes most of the time, it just makes sense. The rear isn't a good way to stop you, and if you aren't doing it right, it can lead to issues. Not saying it never has a use, but most fast riders that I know, rarely use much rear brake...
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