natesnick
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Post by natesnick on Apr 8, 2022 5:44:05 GMT -7
Hello all I appreciate the help just curious if anyone else has had this issue. I start the bike in neutral and shift to first and the bike shuts off. I start in first and switch to neutral and the bike is fine. Today was a colder day in Florida too if that affects anything. It’s happened to me twice now.
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Post by weehe on Apr 8, 2022 7:40:45 GMT -7
Is the kick stand still down when you shift into first?
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Post by RedAndBlack on Apr 8, 2022 7:57:45 GMT -7
Sounds like the kickstand sensor. Might need to adjust it. They can get out of whack sometimes.
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natesnick
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Post by natesnick on Apr 8, 2022 8:40:01 GMT -7
Sounds like the kickstand sensor. Might need to adjust it. They can get out of whack sometimes. I will check that out, I appreciate it very much! Loving this bike with my new exhaust. |
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Post by mt1021 on Apr 8, 2022 23:15:58 GMT -7
Clutch switch at the clutch level.
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Post by natesnick on Apr 19, 2022 16:40:08 GMT -7
So to add on top of this the same issue happened today started in neutral, went to first and it shut off. Shut it off and restarted fine. As I was getting on the highway my bike began to jerk as if the clutch was being pulled in while full throttle and dropped. I switched gears and the bike slowly lost power and shut off. This happened a couple of times. Once I got it started I was driving in 3rd, switched to fourth the bike would bog down in a sense. I was able to get it home thank god. I have recently changed the oil, replaced the OEM levers with ASV and changed my exhaust to Akrapovic. I planned on flashing it (haven't been riding much since the exhaust switch). Any ideas?
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Post by natesnick on Apr 20, 2022 5:34:58 GMT -7
Thank you for moving this, I realized earlier it was in the wrong spot. Sorry!
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Post by mt1021 on Apr 20, 2022 9:51:00 GMT -7
One step at the time.
1- Did you check your side stand switch for proper operation? Is it acting as it supposed to to? Check manual for process.
2- Did you remove it and clean it to make sure it’s operating smoothly.
If yes to the above, check your clutch switch at the clutch level. Is the ASV lever properly pressing and depressing the switch? Do you hear the switch click when pulling the lever?
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Post by natesnick on Apr 20, 2022 13:21:05 GMT -7
I cleaned it, definitely had a build up of chain lube on it. Mine actually looks exposed. Would you mind taking a picture of yours? And I’ll look for a manual online on how to dc it
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Post by terrys on Apr 20, 2022 13:59:59 GMT -7
Certainly sounds like an intermittent sidestand switch issue; the switch will prevent starting in gear even with the clutch in, and will interrupt the ignition if the switch is activated while running in gear. Those things sound consistent with the faults you are seeing. The usual practise is for the switch to provide a pathway to ground when the stand is retracted; if the switch is dirty, or the wiring is damaged or the connector is loose, that ground path might be getting interrupted. In a pinch, you could bypass the sidestand altogether and bridge the wires in the connector, the sidestand in "up" should connect W to B and Y/B to Y/W. The diagram below is from the service manual in the switch testing section.  |
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Post by mt1021 on Apr 20, 2022 14:05:00 GMT -7
I cleaned it, definitely had a build up of chain lube on it. Mine actually looks exposed. Would you mind taking a picture of yours? And I’ll look for a manual online on how to dc it To check if it’s working properly: 1- start the bike in neutral with the kickstand down 2- pull clutch in and put it in 1st gear. The bike should stall. 3- put bike back in neutral 4- Start the bike with kick stand up 5- pull clutch in and put in gear. The bike should not stall 6- with the bike running in first gear, clutch pulled, put kickstand down while in first, bike should stall. Here is mine all dirty.   |
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Post by natesnick on Apr 20, 2022 15:14:27 GMT -7
You guys are amazing, thank you. I am not home atm but going to do this tomorrow. I’m nervous about what to do even if it is that. Replace it? Don’t want what happened to me at high speeds. Obviously pull the clutch in but if I’m in a corner or something could be bad. And not like race speeds, just highway
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Post by terrys on Apr 20, 2022 17:11:26 GMT -7
The service manual does instruct you to replace the switch if there is a fault. Looks like $43 from Partzilla. But I'd certainly start by removing the switch and cleaning any goop off it and checking that it actually switches on/off.
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Post by natesnick on Apr 21, 2022 12:55:50 GMT -7
I cleaned it, definitely had a build up of chain lube on it. Mine actually looks exposed. Would you mind taking a picture of yours? And I’ll look for a manual online on how to dc it To check if it’s working properly: 1- start the bike in neutral with the kickstand down 2- pull clutch in and put it in 1st gear. The bike should stall. 3- put bike back in neutral 4- Start the bike with kick stand up 5- pull clutch in and put in gear. The bike should not stall 6- with the bike running in first gear, clutch pulled, put kickstand down while in first, bike should stall. Here is mine all dirty. I did this, with the kickstand up the bike in neutral started when I went to first gear it shut-off immediately. Did this multiple times. Thinks it’s the kickstand sensor?? |
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Post by terrys on Apr 21, 2022 13:51:20 GMT -7
Yes you have definitely proven that the sidestand switch is faulty (or glued in the "down" open circuit position by crud). The bike is shutting off because for the ignition to keep running, the bike has to see a ground signal through either the neutral switch OR the the sidestand switch in the "up" position.  |
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Post by mt1021 on Apr 21, 2022 13:58:06 GMT -7
I did this, with the kickstand up the bike in neutral started when I went to first gear it shut-off immediately. Did this multiple times. Thinks it’s the kickstand sensor?? Stupid question and I do apologize, just want to make sure. You pulled the clutch in before putting it in gear? If that’s the case, you have found your culprit. Your sensor is: 1- malfunctioning -> clean or replace or 2- your kickstand sensor wiring is not connected properly (loose) at the sensor (replace) or at the plug (requires tracing the wire to it’s plug) and make sure it’s connected properly. |
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Post by mt1021 on Apr 21, 2022 14:07:12 GMT -7
Me personally and provided you thoroughly cleaned and lubed the kickstand switch:
1- I would cut the kickstand switch wires and wire them together leaving enough wire to solder them back.
2- If that solves it, you order a new kickstand switch.
3- Most important: DO NOT OPERATE THE BIKE IN THE ABOVE CONFIGURATION (WIRES CUT AND WIRED TOGETHER! Sorry for the Caps, it is that important. It is dangerous and unsafe, this is just for diagnostics purpose).
4- If that doesn’t solve it, your switch wires are not properly connected at least at the plug.
Or you can check the plug connection first then if that doesn’t solve it, cut and wire the switch wire together.
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Post by natesnick on Apr 21, 2022 14:16:22 GMT -7
Is this a common issue with the fz10?
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Post by natesnick on Apr 21, 2022 14:25:09 GMT -7
Yes no offense taken, I’ve got some mechanic knowledge I’m a firefighter I’ve been riding for almost 12 years now but I’ve never had this issue but I'm no mechanic. Rather air on the side of “I do not know” than I do know. Yes clutch was pulled properly each test.
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Post by terrys on Apr 21, 2022 15:31:58 GMT -7
It is the first time I've heard of this issue on the MT but honestly any switch on a bike can go bad, the sidestand switch here does look like a magnet for chain splooge. Have you tried cleaning the switch up yet? Also I wouldn't cut any wires, I believe you will be able to insert jumper wires into the harness plug to bypass the switch as a test.
I'm quite old, and bikes never used to come with a sidestand switch when I started riding; while I consider the switch is nice to have, it is not an essential safety item so long as you keep your wits about you. Having said that, in 1982 I dropped a CB250RS at the first s-bend after setting off, BECAUSE I did not retract the sidestand. So I learned my lesson, and now I ALWAYS check the stand is up. But that is just me.
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