knut
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Post by knut on Feb 17, 2022 20:05:19 GMT -7
While I am still counting on a new 2022 MT-10, nothing has been written in gold as of yet. My fallback position would be the several 2021's within a 100 miles of me for a $1000.00 less.
It's a 2019, looks like an Acro and decat, with only 1204 miles selling on consignment. Price is high at $12,600, considering a new 2021 is $12,998. Even with the mods, which I don't trust all that much since I didn't install them. I sent an email asking if the pipe and other mods have been tuned/flashed for the bikeHaving lots of bikes and sailboats, my sense is that you never get what you put into them. And how does a 2019 only have 1204 miles?
Anyway, I've been out of the loop for a while and would appreciate any feedback. Thanks
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Post by willl84 on Feb 18, 2022 5:24:33 GMT -7
I see a bunch of mods on that bike - the Akra can (not sure who made that link pipe as the Akra is Ti not black, unless they had it ceramic coated or something) it's got a windshield and I also spy the R1 master cylinder swap with the black stainless lines. I also see frame sliders, possibly an autoblipper (not the factory QS that came on the MT) which also means it's probably got an ECU flash as well. I also spy front Brembo calipers. Tank grips, undertail and presumably an integrated taillight as I don't see rear signals. Also bar-end mirrors.
That's well worth $12,600 IMO. Also only 1200 miles it's basically new. I'd consider selling my bike and getting tha tone instead lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2022 7:12:22 GMT -7
Lots of people buy bikes and dont ride them at all.
Heck I bought a 10 year old Harley with 800 miles on it and in brand new condition!!!
All I had to do was replace the fuel pump and fuel line because the stupid ethanol had rotted them out.
Harley dealer mechanic was like "You got a brand new bike at half price, nice find!"
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knut
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Post by knut on Feb 18, 2022 12:17:47 GMT -7
Lots of people buy bikes and dont ride them at all. Heck I bought a 10 year old Harley with 800 miles on it and in brand new condition!!! All I had to do was replace the fuel pump and fuel line because the stupid ethanol had rotted them out. Harley dealer mechanic was like "You got a brand new bike at half price, nice find!" Thanks for spotting all of those mods, I sure didn't catch them all. They keep calling me and coming down in price. Considering that it's on consignment and would negate all of the other associated costs with a new bike, would this be a good buy and a good reason to buy rather than the new bike IYHO? I prefer the looks of the new bike and can just afford it without selling blood. This bike would save me $4000.00 or so and it looks pretty clean. Thanks for your input.
Then again, I sound like a wuss having any difficulty in choosing which expensive bike to buy. Such first world, elderly, white privileged, middle class problems I really do sound like a prick. Thanks again
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Post by knut on Feb 18, 2022 18:11:51 GMT -7
Lots of people buy bikes and dont ride them at all. Heck I bought a 10 year old Harley with 800 miles on it and in brand new condition!!! All I had to do was replace the fuel pump and fuel line because the stupid ethanol had rotted them out. Harley dealer mechanic was like "You got a brand new bike at half price, nice find!" |
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Post by knut on Feb 18, 2022 20:09:36 GMT -7
Apparently the kid who bought the bike and had it fixed up was a dirt bike rider/racer who thought that he could handle the bike. According to the bike shop, it scared the heck out of him and his entire family so he sold it with so few miles on it. I'm looking at it tomorrow and taking it for a spin.
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Post by chmt on Feb 19, 2022 17:07:02 GMT -7
FYI, looks like translogic autoblipper and the calipers are not stock.
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Post by willl84 on Feb 19, 2022 19:33:38 GMT -7
FYI, looks like translogic autoblipper and the calipers are not stock. Along with the list of other things I mentioned lol |
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Post by RedAndBlack on Feb 21, 2022 11:11:06 GMT -7
I know things are weird right now with shortages but I personally wouldn't buy a used bike that has more than a few hundred miles without a decent discount from a new bike. But I know things are weird right now and you could save money on stupid shit like freight fee and taxes if the previous owner hooks you up on the sale costlisted on the title or bill of sale.
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Post by knut on Feb 21, 2022 20:40:31 GMT -7
I know things are weird right now with shortages but I personally wouldn't buy a used bike that has more than a few hundred miles without a decent discount from a new bike. But I know things are weird right now and you could save money on stupid shit like freight fee and taxes if the previous owner hooks you up on the sale costlisted on the title or bill of sale. Yeah, I kind of feel the same. This bike does have virtually everything done to it that I would have done, but I prefer doing the work myself. Also, the story seems kind of nuts to me. Young guy buys the bike then spends a lot of money and time in getting it just right and now is too scared to ride it? I could see the bike being too powerful from the get go and scaring the kid, but after so much money spent and only 1200 miles on it...
That being said, it was fun to ride, nimble and fast. Just not ZX14R fast. I could have raised the bars on the ZX more and made it more comfortable, but then there is all of that body work in the way. If I can program my brain to accept being on a smaller and less powerful machine I could make it work. And I do want to start hitting the track some more.
All of a sudden, I've been hit by two different dealers who have new 2021 MT-10"s for ?11,999.00. Now that is tempting... Is the 2022 MT $2000.00 better than the 2021. Or is the lure of buying the latest and greatest stronger than my wallet?
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Post by RedAndBlack on Feb 21, 2022 21:34:36 GMT -7
I wouldn't say it's better, it's just what is the price between new and slightly used that you get the peace of mind knowing you did the break in yourself and it's never been wrecked, laid down, beaten on.
Like I bought my FZ used but it was from an older guy that his brother works for Yamaha. He rode it back and forth onto a military base and that's it. Seemed right. Barely had 400 miles on it. Bought it for $10k plus saved money on the taxes cause he did a lower title price. So we were talking about probably a difference of $3k or more.
But this was years ago. The used market is more competitive because of the shortages on new bikes. So I'm not sure how well my experience translates.
It's a hard thing to give advice on. That's for sure.
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Post by willl84 on Feb 22, 2022 5:53:26 GMT -7
I know things are weird right now with shortages but I personally wouldn't buy a used bike that has more than a few hundred miles without a decent discount from a new bike. But I know things are weird right now and you could save money on stupid shit like freight fee and taxes if the previous owner hooks you up on the sale costlisted on the title or bill of sale. Yeah, I kind of feel the same. This bike does have virtually everything done to it that I would have done, but I prefer doing the work myself. Also, the story seems kind of nuts to me. Young guy buys the bike then spends a lot of money and time in getting it just right and now is too scared to ride it? I could see the bike being too powerful from the get go and scaring the kid, but after so much money spent and only 1200 miles on it...
That being said, it was fun to ride, nimble and fast. Just not ZX14R fast. I could have raised the bars on the ZX more and made it more comfortable, but then there is all of that body work in the way. If I can program my brain to accept being on a smaller and less powerful machine I could make it work. And I do want to start hitting the track some more.
All of a sudden, I've been hit by two different dealers who have new 2021 MT-10"s for ?11,999.00. Now that is tempting... Is the 2022 MT $2000.00 better than the 2021. Or is the lure of buying the latest and greatest stronger than my wallet?
The 2022 has a bunch of minor tweaks engine-wise but the body is VERY different. I personally hate the new styling which suchs because they finally brought the SP here to the US and I was all ready to trade my 2019 for a 2022 SP but it's too damn ugly for me lol |
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Post by RedAndBlack on Feb 22, 2022 14:33:49 GMT -7
I want that SP so bad, not my favorite look either but I want it. But I dunno if I'm ready to spend almost $20k OTD. Usually I could give it some time and work on my dealer contacts to get a cheaper price, but this market is just so crazy and dealers are tacking surcharges onto bikes because of the shortage.
Went into the dealer 2 weeks ago to pick up some parts and this pretty large dealer which has 3 different rooms of bikes, was down to only 1 room of bikes.
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Post by kyle on Feb 22, 2022 15:22:15 GMT -7
I think I'm biased towards the 2022 because I never got to ride/spend time with the prior years.
But I think in terms of electronics, the 2022 is really packing a lot of new goodies that the -2021 didn't have. Engine braking management, separate wheelie/traction control, TFT dash, up/down quickshifter. Hope I got all that right.
However, I will agree that the -2021 looks better. I wasn't a huge fan of the 2022 when they first showed it off, but it's growing on me since I'm hoping it'll be in my garage in May. Honestly though right now it sucks how much extra I'll pay, if I just wait a year or two I'm sure I could save at least 1-2k.... Oh well.
Right now my dream is to turn it into a tourer, with Givi luggage; but this will take time for the 2022 Givi adapters to come out I think. (not sure honestly)
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Post by knut on Feb 22, 2022 22:35:38 GMT -7
Yeah, the 22 has some interesting new goodies. I'm waiting to hear back from the 2019 and the new 2021 for $11,999. I'm trying to get out of the frame of mind of needing the 22 and being practical. $2000.00 can do a lot of things for a new bike. If I can get a warranty added to the 2019 from the dealer, that might put me over the edge. Then again, I'm supposed to hear sometime this week from 3 different dealers if they will be able to order a new 22.
The MT-10 has much more torque than the 14, and is much lighter and more nimble. And I love the riding position. And it's just a tad slower to 100mph cause it wants to wheelie vs the 14 just going fast much easier. The main advantage of the 14 is that it goes over 200mph, but how often do you go that fast, and it's comfortable on the freeway cruising at 75 all day long. Looking forward to riding the MT more.
Thanks for all of the tips and suggestions.
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Post by willl84 on Feb 23, 2022 4:55:50 GMT -7
The MT doesn't have anywhere near more torque than your ZX14 lol. The MT is like 80-ish. The ZX14 is either 104 or 113 depending on the generation according to Wikipedia. The MT is way lighter and has a shorter wheelbase though so it probably feels like more.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 7:17:45 GMT -7
If you can get a new 21 $2k cheaper than a new 22 I'd go for it.
That $2k would be very useful for things like:
Cat removal
ECU flash
Better brake/clutch levers
Windscreen
More comfortable seat
Better brake pads
TIRES!!!!!!
Touring bags (if you wanna tour)
Clip ons (if you wanna track ride more on the serious side)
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Post by knut on Feb 23, 2022 13:21:10 GMT -7
The MT doesn't have anywhere near more torque than your ZX14 lol. The MT is like 80-ish. The ZX14 is either 104 or 113 depending on the generation according to Wikipedia. The MT is way lighter and has a shorter wheelbase though so it probably feels like more. Yeah, just seat of the pants feel. The torque curve is much different and when combined with the gearing feels entirely different. My Zx had 119 torque and 208 HP. The ZX doesn't get going until 4000 rpm. After that it's gone with the dawn. ZX feels smoother while the MT seems more abrupt, but the ZX is a much larger motor and heavier. I've only ridden 2 MT's so I am a newby in that area. Love the power of the ZX, just don't need 208 hp and the need for speed as I once did. Also, as comforatble as I made it with lower pegs and raised handlebars, just not how I want to ride these days.
One thing that always cracked me up, and I did this with virtually every bike, was no matter how fast and powerful it was, the first thing I did was try and make it even faster. Even with a beast like the ZX. Though I did tone it down and went with just making the motor as efficient as possible, which fortunately usually makes it faster and better for the motor overall.
Where it got strange, was after I got my Sportster 1200 Custom, I tuned it and made it a much better bike, but I never had any pretenses that it would be anything different than what it was. On the Sportster forums, there are many owners who spend thousands of dollars trying to make the bike much faster and handle like a sportbike, when any 600 UJM would leave them in the dust
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Post by knut on Feb 23, 2022 15:22:08 GMT -7
The MT doesn't have anywhere near more torque than your ZX14 lol. The MT is like 80-ish. The ZX14 is either 104 or 113 depending on the generation according to Wikipedia. The MT is way lighter and has a shorter wheelbase though so it probably feels like more. Yeah, just seat of the pants. The torque curve is much different and when combined with the gearing feels much different. For sure, pure numbers my last ZX had 208 hp and 119 torque. Heavier and smoother. Now a friend is tossing in a 2022 Hayabusa into the mix for a song. Hooligan bike vs another big sport tourer. Not as fast as the ZX, but different. Need to ride more MT's. |
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