slangblades
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Post by slangblades on May 21, 2021 1:03:24 GMT -7
So I have decided that I want to get an exhaust for my bike. This exhaust . I want to do the cat delete as well. Would the process be to first attach the mid pipe and exhaust first, and then get the ecu flashed?
Also, I have heard it lowers your mpg when you install a new exhaust or get an ecu flash. Is there a way to avoid this? I dont care about extra HorsePower I just like the way it would look and sound. Is it possible to get the look without lowering the mpg? Is an ecu flash necessary when you install a new exhaust? and what other recommendations or requirements do you guys suggest before actually putting a new mid pipe and exhaust?
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Post by willl84 on May 21, 2021 3:42:15 GMT -7
You don't NEED to flash the ECU when you put a cat delete on but it really helps. I put my exhaust on with only 40 miles on the bike and put another ~1500 on it before I got the ECU flashed with zero problems. The bikes run lean as it is for emissions and getting rid of the restrictive cat doesn't do it any favors. You do notice the flat spot in the torque curve between 5k and 6k RPM more without the cat though which is something an ECU flash takes care of. You'll need to either leave the exhaust servo connected or get a servo buddy dummy plug to keep from throwing a CEL. Doing the flash didn't drop the MPG by anything crazy. I use the Fuelly Acar app to track mileage and pre-flash I was anywhere between 27.1-28.6 MPG. Post flash I've been 26.2-28.4 MPG but it also greatly depends on how you ride it. Keep the revs low and it's not bad. Get it ripping in the RPM range though and she's a thirsty beast. Here's my MPG history from when the bike was brand new: www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/yamaha/mt-10/2019/willl84/1024567 |
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slangblades
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Post by slangblades on May 23, 2021 22:51:11 GMT -7
Alright thank you for the information. Does a dyno tune come into play anywhere to do this?
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Post by willl84 on May 24, 2021 3:59:55 GMT -7
Alright thank you for the information. Does a dyno tune come into play anywhere to do this? If you're getting the ECU flashed generally no. People like Moore Mafia and 2WDW have already dyno tuned the bike and they're just uploading their mapping to your ECU. Usually the only time you need dyno tuning is if you get a Power Commander as those typically need to be properly mapped for your bike. |
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Post by hooli on May 24, 2021 7:10:35 GMT -7
Alright thank you for the information. Does a dyno tune come into play anywhere to do this? Usually the only time you need dyno tuning is if you get a Power Commander as those typically need to be properly mapped for your bike. A dyno tune is advantageous regardless if you have a piggyback tuner (DynoJet, Bazzaz, etc.) or an ecu flash. I've had bikes on the dyno that have had DynoJet and Bazzaz, and also ecu's flashed with Woolich and FTEcu tuning suites. |
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Post by mclovin on May 24, 2021 9:55:56 GMT -7
Usually the only time you need dyno tuning is if you get a Power Commander as those typically need to be properly mapped for your bike. A dyno tune is advantageous regardless if you have a piggyback tuner (DynoJet, Bazzaz, etc.) or an ecu flash. I've had bikes on the dyno that have had DynoJet and Bazzaz, and also ecu's flashed with Woolich and FTEcu tuning suites. I use Vcyclenut and he does Yamahas and he's developed and tweeked his maps over years now. I think there are at least a few guys that operate like this. They've worked it all out. I can't see a reason for a dyno tune or a piggyback tuner. |
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Post by sdshawn on May 24, 2021 18:40:35 GMT -7
Ok so my 10 cent maybe 20 with inflation is that if you can find a local tuner for your bike that you can trust is the way to go . For one thing a tuner far away may not have the same inviroment that you ride your bike in along with little changes you may want to make doesn't become a issue with everything involved with that.
It would be nice to have it on the Dino when I'm there to recreate the problems I you have and to customize it right infront of you..
My bike is a freaking rocket ship but sometimes it falls on its self that maybe can be explained
Or not be explained unless you do it in person. No fault to the tuner just not perfect to my needs or the bike. So with that said I'm looking for a socal tuner withing a 100 miles of riverside of my house that can dial me in thanks for the input.
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slangblades
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Post by slangblades on May 25, 2021 0:46:19 GMT -7
Ok so my 10 cent maybe 20 with inflation is that if you can find a local tuner for your bike that you can trust is the way to go . For one thing a tuner far away may not have the same inviroment that you ride your bike in along with little changes you may want to make doesn't become a issue with everything involved with that. It would be nice to have it on the Dino when I'm there to recreate the problems I you have and to customize it right infront of you.. My bike is a freaking rocket ship but sometimes it falls on its self that maybe can be explained Or not be explained unless you do it in person. No fault to the tuner just not perfect to my needs or the bike. So with that said I'm looking for a socal tuner withing a 100 miles of riverside of my house that can dial me in thanks for the input. Hey Im in Rialto, Pretty close to riverside, we should ride one of these days |
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Post by slangblades on May 25, 2021 1:05:56 GMT -7
Alright thank you for the information. Does a dyno tune come into play anywhere to do this? If you're getting the ECU flashed generally no. People like Moore Mafia and 2WDW have already dyno tuned the bike and they're just uploading their mapping to your ECU. Usually the only time you need dyno tuning is if you get a Power Commander as those typically need to be properly mapped for your bike. From the youtube research ive done, it seems an ECU flash is superior to a dyno tune and is also a requirement in order for the bike to correctly mix fuel and air after an exhaust change. Atleast according to Revzilla. And like you said, If not done it leaves the bike with a flat spot. Is a power commander a third option? so ECU flash first and foremost, and then a Dyno tune or a Power Commander? I want to put on an exhaust and for the bike to run the same or better than it currently does. I would like to remove the speed limiter, and maybe mess with other things like the amount of engine braking. Not sure which of the three options accomplishes all of this |
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Post by clayton on May 25, 2021 5:29:28 GMT -7
Just get the ecu flash from 2wdw along with the ftecu active tune and your all set! It will constantly tune the motor no matter where your at fir temp and elevation!
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Post by willl84 on May 25, 2021 7:43:09 GMT -7
Just get the ecu flash from 2wdw along with the ftecu active tune and your all set! It will constantly tune the motor no matter where your at fir temp and elevation! From what I saw you can't use the active tune with the 2WDW flash. Same reason they require you to disconnect your factory O2 sensors with the flash. |
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Post by clayton on May 25, 2021 7:58:05 GMT -7
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Post by sdshawn on May 25, 2021 10:34:22 GMT -7
Ok so my 10 cent maybe 20 with inflation is that if you can find a local tuner for your bike that you can trust is the way to go . For one thing a tuner far away may not have the same inviroment that you ride your bike in along with little changes you may want to make doesn't become a issue with everything involved with that. It would be nice to have it on the Dino when I'm there to recreate the problems I you have and to customize it right infront of you.. My bike is a freaking rocket ship but sometimes it falls on its self that maybe can be explained Or not be explained unless you do it in person. No fault to the tuner just not perfect to my needs or the bike. So with that said I'm looking for a socal tuner withing a 100 miles of riverside of my house that can dial me in thanks for the input. Hey Im in Rialto, Pretty close to riverside, we should ride one of these days Hell yeah bro I've been trying to find 10 owners in my area to go for ride.. Ill pm you my number see what we can get going |
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Post by sdshawn on May 25, 2021 10:54:05 GMT -7
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Post by clayton on May 25, 2021 11:20:21 GMT -7
I think 🤔 you can but you have to drill a bigger hole and have a bung welded in to accommodate the larger o2 sensor. I’m running a yoshi 3/4 exhaust which comes with the larger hole for the wide and sensor. |
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Post by clayton on May 25, 2021 11:31:07 GMT -7
I think 🤔 you can but you have to drill a bigger hole and have a bung welded in to accommodate the larger o2 sensor. I’m running a yoshi 3/4 exhaust which comes with the larger hole for the wide and sensor. |
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Post by willl84 on May 25, 2021 11:32:38 GMT -7
I think 🤔 you can but you have to drill a bigger hole and have a bung welded in to accommodate the larger o2 sensor. I’m running a yoshi 3/4 exhaust which comes with the larger hole for the wide and sensor. My Hindle 3/4 came with the larger bung as well |
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Post by willl84 on May 25, 2021 11:34:10 GMT -7
Not sure if I want to get that or the autoblipper first now lol. |
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Post by clayton on May 25, 2021 11:34:28 GMT -7
I think 🤔 you can but you have to drill a bigger hole and have a bung welded in to accommodate the larger o2 sensor. I’m running a yoshi 3/4 exhaust which comes with the larger hole for the wide and sensor. My Hindle 3/4 came with the larger bung as well Yours is setup for the active tune then. You would just have to have the ecu flashed for the active tune |
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Post by willl84 on May 25, 2021 17:26:44 GMT -7
My Hindle 3/4 came with the larger bung as well Yours is setup for the active tune then. You would just have to have the ecu flashed for the active tune Maybe i'll save up and get the AT and the autoblipper this winter. Send the ECU in once to get it flashed for both items |
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