micke
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Post by micke on May 16, 2021 8:52:37 GMT -7
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Post by hooli on May 16, 2021 23:43:07 GMT -7
High-quality Chinesium.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 6:29:43 GMT -7
For the price I'd try it in a heartbeat.
Its just a mid pipe no great engineering feat needed.
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Post by sdshawn on May 17, 2021 19:25:48 GMT -7
Ide try and if you like it buy the real deal . I've bought the real deal many times not liking and wasting alot of money on trial and error .
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Post by redlinez on May 18, 2021 6:35:41 GMT -7
Upgraded exhaust parts are priced insanely to begin with. Not that many years ago, it was kind of affordable. Now $600 for a 2.5 foot section of titanium pipe? ? Worse case it's really cheap metal and turns green.
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Post by RedAndBlack on May 18, 2021 8:01:43 GMT -7
These types of chinesium parts are often just modeled after legit exhausts. Basically intellectual property theft. There is no quality control done. They never get the bike and fit it. They never put it on a bike and ride around. And they use substandard metals and materials.
Be prepared to have fitament issues, stripped bolts/screws, metal doing unexpected things like warping or changing weird colors.
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Post by mclovin on May 18, 2021 18:03:50 GMT -7
I don't put Any Chinese parts (that I know is Chinese) except for superficial parts like a helmet lock. I've seen too many metallurgical failures with Chinese stuff. I saw a guy return 2 aluminum Harbor Freight floor jacks that just broke in half when he tried to jack up a car. I don't need a failure like that on a 160 HP motorcycle. That being said, I wouldn't worry about a Chinese exhaust except that it may fall apart pretty quickly. At the same time, I don't see the value in $1000 - $1500 exhaust either. I've had Delkovic systems on my current and previous bikes and they've held up well, fit well and performed well and both were under $500. I was in a local sport bike shop that had about 75 bikes on the floor and virtually every major exhaust system was represented. I just didn't see vastly superior quality over mine. Most tuners will tell you that your not going to see any major HP gains regardless of what the manufacturers claim and in fact, without a flash you'll see a HP loss. I think what you really get is a lighter bike that sounds zoomy.
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Post by sdshawn on May 18, 2021 18:41:46 GMT -7
My bike came with the delkevic 8 in carbon decat that sounded great but with decat man these bikes get really loud. I couldn't take it so I took it off went back to the stock cat . I did order a couple of china cans I made and adapter so I could fit them both and wow they both sound great so far the best sound to my ears so far deep and throaty.
I had to do the same thing with mirrors I bought a few sets until I find what I like then buy the real deal. China mirrors are junk first set broke first day so with that said I would not buy anything that's mechanical or moves .
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Post by willl84 on May 19, 2021 3:39:55 GMT -7
My bike came with the delkevic 8 in carbon decat that sounded great but with decat man these bikes get really loud. I couldn't take it so I took it off went back to the stock cat . I did order a couple of china cans I made and adapter so I could fit them both and wow they both sound great so far the best sound to my ears so far deep and throaty. I had to do the same thing with mirrors I bought a few sets until I find what I like then buy the real deal. China mirrors are junk first set broke first day so with that said I would not buy anything that's mechanical or moves . Yea even my Hindle decat is a bit too loud. It comes down to everyone making short little silencers for the MT-10 because longer ones would look silly on it. Graves is the only one that makes a decent length silencer from what I've seen. I bought the quiet insert from Hindle to put in and man what a difference. It's so much better and still sounds awesome. I'll be getting some videos with my GoPro soon with it in and with it out.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 6:54:16 GMT -7
IMO a lot this aftermarket exhaust stuff is just waste of money.
The exhaust system on the bike is already designed to be light weight and performant. The only place you can actually gain HP is through the mid pipe. Yamaha is required by law to put on catalytic converters and valve the exhaust to meet emissions standards.
Different mufflers and headers are a total waste of money unless you care about "bling".
Buy a cheap mid pipe, tune it, and save your money for other more useful parts.
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Post by redlinez on May 19, 2021 8:50:56 GMT -7
What about the R1M header? I do agree with the cheap metal not being a good idea, but $600 is crazy for a mid pipe. Leo Vince is probably the best option that is reasonable. When I was a kid in the early 80's we used to joke about the flea market pocket knives being Pa-kee-stan steel.......
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Post by willl84 on May 19, 2021 8:57:17 GMT -7
What about the R1M header? I do agree with the cheap metal not being a good idea, but $600 is crazy for a mid pipe. Leo Vince is probably the best option that is reasonable. When I was a kid in the early 80's we used to joke about the flea market pocket knives being Pa-kee-stan steel....... The R1M header won't do you anything performance-wise. It's just made from Ti instead of SS so it'll look much better on a naked bike
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Post by sdshawn on May 19, 2021 17:45:14 GMT -7
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Post by sdshawn on May 19, 2021 17:45:54 GMT -7
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Post by sdshawn on May 19, 2021 17:53:01 GMT -7
So the bottom was 38 and top was 59 so not bad to get a little more sound the stock , and they both sound amazing just about perfect in dbs that's what I was going for. Waiting on aluminum adapter to clean it up the both not to loud on the bottom but now I can hear them beside just yge wind on top sounds like a Nascar.
If I can figure out to ad a sound clip I will.
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Post by redlinez on May 20, 2021 12:20:26 GMT -7
What about the R1M header? I do agree with the cheap metal not being a good idea, but $600 is crazy for a mid pipe. Leo Vince is probably the best option that is reasonable. When I was a kid in the early 80's we used to joke about the flea market pocket knives being Pa-kee-stan steel....... The R1M header won't do you anything performance-wise. It's just made from Ti instead of SS so it'll look much better on a naked bike Thanks for saving me from looking for one. Sounds like I have all the performance power wise I need until I go get a Chris Moore tune.
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Post by RedAndBlack on May 20, 2021 22:34:04 GMT -7
What about the R1M header? I do agree with the cheap metal not being a good idea, but $600 is crazy for a mid pipe. Leo Vince is probably the best option that is reasonable. When I was a kid in the early 80's we used to joke about the flea market pocket knives being Pa-kee-stan steel....... The R1M header won't do you anything performance-wise. It's just made from Ti instead of SS so it'll look much better on a naked bike That's actually not true. Theres been a comparison done on the internals of the two pipes and the R1M titanium pipe is much more smooth on the inside, whereas the MT pipe has jagged edges where the pipes meet. There would therefore be more turbulent flow in the MT pipe. I'm not sure exactly how much power or performance this adds, but it must add something if the engineers took the time the design the R1M pipes to better specifications.
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Post by willl84 on May 21, 2021 3:30:18 GMT -7
The R1M header won't do you anything performance-wise. It's just made from Ti instead of SS so it'll look much better on a naked bike That's actually not true. Theres been a comparison done on the internals of the two pipes and the R1M titanium pipe is much more smooth on the inside, whereas the MT pipe has jagged edges where the pipes meet. There would therefore be more turbulent flow in the MT pipe. I'm not sure exactly how much power or performance this adds, but it must add something if the engineers took the time the design the R1M pipes to better specifications. I think that just has more to do with titanium welds being much smaller and smoother than comparable stainless welds when it comes to exhaust. I'm sure there's a miniscule gain but it'd be well within the margin of error on dyno runs and you'd never notice it
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 7:03:19 GMT -7
That's actually not true. Theres been a comparison done on the internals of the two pipes and the R1M titanium pipe is much more smooth on the inside, whereas the MT pipe has jagged edges where the pipes meet. There would therefore be more turbulent flow in the MT pipe. I'm not sure exactly how much power or performance this adds, but it must add something if the engineers took the time the design the R1M pipes to better specifications. I think that just has more to do with titanium welds being much smaller and smoother than comparable stainless welds when it comes to exhaust. I'm sure there's a miniscule gain but it'd be well within the margin of error on dyno runs and you'd never notice it New headers for bikes is all about bling and does pretty much jack diddly for performance. I've seen them add 1-2 hp on the dyno MAX. But if you like spending $1k+ on them, do what floats your boat!
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Post by willl84 on May 21, 2021 8:48:14 GMT -7
I think that just has more to do with titanium welds being much smaller and smoother than comparable stainless welds when it comes to exhaust. I'm sure there's a miniscule gain but it'd be well within the margin of error on dyno runs and you'd never notice it New headers for bikes is all about bling and does pretty much jack diddly for performance. I've seen them add 1-2 hp on the dyno MAX. But if you like spending $1k+ on them, do what floats your boat! Depends on the bike though. The TLR had a big crimp in one pipe for chain clearance (assuming people won't maintain their chains and it'll get loose and rub) and a pretzel-like pipe routing near the swinger that was also restrictive. Going from a set of bolt-ons to a full system was a real gain. I had mine dynoed at 123HP at the wheel with just Yoshi bolt-ons. Ran it again after swapping to a full Yosh system and it gained 6HP before I had the PC3 dyno tuned. Dyno tuning gained another 5. But on this bike where it's a simple 4-2 setup the difference will be so small it's not worth it other than that sweet Ti bling (which looks great on these bikes I might add)
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