ridelyfe
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Post by ridelyfe on Apr 18, 2021 14:00:07 GMT -7
As the title states, I've recently had my ECU flashed and while it makes more power and is significantly faster to rev out, its practically unrideable now. The flash just exacerbated the fueling throttle issue for me, even in standard.
My question is did anyone else's flash make the bike worse in this respect? Or is this a unique problem for me? Thanks for responding
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Post by sdshawn on Apr 18, 2021 17:57:11 GMT -7
Same here , I ride in mode 3 traction 2 it's has tons more power now but at a cost of even more snatchy at bottom and mid . I installed the g2 throttle tamer helped a lot the mpg went down from 38 to 27 also so I don't know if I'll keep it this way or go back to complete stock . Their is a guy that's installs the auto onboard ecu that uses all the stock set getting 155 at tire who knows I talk to the guy he seems like a real a-hole plus wants 1300 to do it . I think Yamaha did the fueling the way they did for this reason . I could see my self installing the auto ecu installing the maps or whatever myself I dont know what to do at this point . I'm getting a flat spot under hard first gear acceleration I think im caring the front wheel for to long and it cutting power. I would like to hear from some that have the auto tuner...
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Post by ridelyfe on Apr 18, 2021 19:42:36 GMT -7
Well, that is interesting. I am getting some lugging off idle in 1st before it gets rolling also. Almost like being in too high of a gear and trying to roll on from to low of a speed. Throttle tamer was going to be in the cards if I cant get a tuning solution as well.
Other thoughts? Experiences?
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Post by ridelyfe on Apr 18, 2021 19:47:26 GMT -7
Same here , I ride in mode 3 traction 2 it's has tons more power now but at a cost of even more snatchy at bottom and mid . I installed the g2 throttle tamer helped a lot the mpg went down from 38 to 27 also so I don't know if I'll keep it this way or go back to complete stock . Their is a guy that's installs the auto onboard ecu that uses all the stock set getting 155 at tire who knows I talk to the guy he seems like a real a-hole plus wants 1300 to do it . I think Yamaha did the fueling the way they did for this reason . I could see my self installing the auto ecu installing the maps or whatever myself I dont know what to do at this point . I'm getting a flat spot under hard first gear acceleration I think im caring the front wheel for to long and it cutting power. I would like to hear from some that have the auto tuner... When I keep the tire up too long in TC 2 it will cut power to keep from looping it. That feels like a flat spot for sure. TC 3 is like riding a pogo stick it'll just keep popping up and down until you run the gear out. TC 2 is the only setting that feels like you mentioned. Try those pulls in TC 1 and see if its still there
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Post by sdshawn on Apr 18, 2021 20:39:51 GMT -7
Not sure what bike you have , I have a 2020 so 3 is supost to be the tamest setting modes there and on TCS 2 I can still ride wheelies through the gears at balance point I've had to touch rear brake to keep from looping on 2. The flat spot is under hard excel just floating front tire maybe 6 inches and chirps when contact is made so I need to test it with TCS off and see what happens then.
The tammer made a big difference fir well worth the money stock or flashed IMO and not disappointed in the flash just not sure I like the side effects of it.
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Post by ridelyfe on Apr 19, 2021 5:54:00 GMT -7
Ahh yeah, I forgot about the reconfiguration of the mode/TC numbers on the MT models. I have a 2017 and TC2 will let me get awfully close to balance point by cutting the throttle slightly once its up in the air. Wierd feeling the first time I experienced it.
Good to know about the throttle tamer. Which cam profile did you choose for yours??
I found out my tuner didn't disable off acceleration fuel cut for some reason which I believe is a big part of the snatchy issue. I will see about getting it sent back to disable it.
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Post by sdshawn on Apr 19, 2021 6:50:44 GMT -7
The tammer is the standard one not sure I'll take a look and get back on that . And the cut off I think I still have I like engine breaking I think you are right on about that it's probably most of the problem with it that makes total sense.
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Post by ridelyfe on Apr 20, 2021 6:52:57 GMT -7
Thanks for the input.
Any other thoughts or experiences with their flashed bikes and throttle issues?
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Post by sdshawn on Apr 20, 2021 7:55:56 GMT -7
I think we covered most of it Im considering going back to bone stock then flash it then with exup and O2s with that configuration . I know they are lean that way so a little more fueling where it's needed in that state or again a onboard tuning if possible would do the trick .
The bike just an animal with a lot more power then I can use really carving the twistys is where I like to ride its like a dragster on a formula 1 track, I'm floating the front tire coming out of every turn wich is fun most of the time but near death scary some of the time I ride on a lot of mountain cliff roads . So I'm at a loss on what to do at this point I guess plus the mpg is getting annoying looking for gas a lot more now at 24 to 30 mpg .
So I want to put it out there has anyone flashed tune their bone stock mt10 stock exhaust and if do what did you like and not like about it . I'm thinking I'm at around 150hp to the wheel now nor sure what stock is but what can I expect?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 9:24:45 GMT -7
I'm flashed bone stock with a tune from 2WDW.
I did not notice a whole lot of difference power wise. The tune mainly made power mode B more tolerable. The throttle is still a tad twitchy but more tolerable than before.
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Post by rracerfz10 on Apr 29, 2021 10:54:55 GMT -7
2WDW has an option on their tune for decreased engine breaking which I did opt for and all the on/off throttle snatchiness is was gone on mine.
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Post by sdshawn on Apr 29, 2021 11:59:50 GMT -7
It's a give and take thing I guess can't have both I like engine braking fits my riding style it has saved me couple of time on wheelie also so with the tammer and short shifting in the twustys I'm getting used to it now also may do a gear change later . I know I'm going in the right direction with my adjustments so far ..
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Post by ridelyfe on Apr 30, 2021 5:08:59 GMT -7
2WDW has an option on their tune for decreased engine breaking which I did opt for and all the on/off throttle snatchiness is was gone on mine. I got mine tuned through Moore Mafia and he did offer the option to delete the off throttle fuel cut. He said some customers reported popping and gurgling when he deletes it so he doesn't delete it unless requested. I've been waiting on an inline resistor from AU to complete the AIS block off and it does pop with the occasional backfire already and its not that annoying so if the black off completely removes the popping and doesn't smooth out the throttle that is next on the list. The on/off throttle is dangerous leaned over on the roads around me because it completely unsettles the bike. And with the cat gone now in traffic is just sound like you don't have any throttle control too. Irritating
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 6:05:17 GMT -7
2WDW has an option on their tune for decreased engine breaking which I did opt for and all the on/off throttle snatchiness is was gone on mine. I got mine tuned through Moore Mafia and he did offer the option to delete the off throttle fuel cut. He said some customers reported popping and gurgling when he deletes it so he doesn't delete it unless requested. I've been waiting on an inline resistor from AU to complete the AIS block off and it does pop with the occasional backfire already and its not that annoying so if the black off completely removes the popping and doesn't smooth out the throttle that is next on the list. The on/off throttle is dangerous leaned over on the roads around me because it completely unsettles the bike. And with the cat gone now in traffic is just sound like you don't have any throttle control too. Irritating How do you like your tune? I watch a lot of Moore Mafia and it really looks like he takes his time and does a great job on making quality tunes.
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Post by rracerfz10 on Apr 30, 2021 6:53:04 GMT -7
My first tune from 2WDW was for a stock exhaust and the EXUP wired permanently open. My reflash was for the Yoshi 3/4 exhaust. The only way you'd get backfires with the Moore tune is if they didn't disable the AIS system in the ECU. The decell fuel cut being disabled means there is now fuel being injected whit a closed throttle so that means there's unburnt fuel making it's way into your exhaust. The AIS injects air into your exhaust with that fuel and boom, pops and backfires. The AIS is a closed system on the FZ/MT-10 where the ECU has to tell it to open. The 2WDW flash disables the AIS so you don't even really need block off plates. Call the guys out at 2WDW they have always been more than happy to answer any questions I've had.
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Post by ridelyfe on May 1, 2021 5:46:47 GMT -7
I got mine tuned through Moore Mafia and he did offer the option to delete the off throttle fuel cut. He said some customers reported popping and gurgling when he deletes it so he doesn't delete it unless requested. I've been waiting on an inline resistor from AU to complete the AIS block off and it does pop with the occasional backfire already and its not that annoying so if the black off completely removes the popping and doesn't smooth out the throttle that is next on the list. The on/off throttle is dangerous leaned over on the roads around me because it completely unsettles the bike. And with the cat gone now in traffic is just sound like you don't have any throttle control too. Irritating How do you like your tune? I watch a lot of Moore Mafia and it really looks like he takes his time and does a great job on making quality tunes. First off, Chris is a great guy and a fast boi who goes looking for power tunes that don't just smooth out the power curve but find it wherever it can be found. Unlimited reflashes too! At first all I could focus on was the throttle issue, so even the power difference was night and day, and the powerband had been opened up and smoothed out all I could focus was what I already hated about the bike. But after getting used to the snatchyness, the power curve is so deliciously seductive that is find myself slowing way down on straights just to work my way through the gear box again and again to feel it pull. I have had a couple of fast bikes and ridden alot more...I've never had a bike that will clutch up in 4th at 6500 revs! Great tune! The throttle did smooth out significantly, just not what I want in my bikes after coming off the butter that is cabled Kawi throttle action. I have a G2 coming to fix it to my preference.
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Post by ridelyfe on May 1, 2021 5:54:36 GMT -7
My first tune from 2WDW was for a stock exhaust and the EXUP wired permanently open. My reflash was for the Yoshi 3/4 exhaust. The only way you'd get backfires with the Moore tune is if they didn't disable the AIS system in the ECU. The decell fuel cut being disabled means there is now fuel being injected whit a closed throttle so that means there's unburnt fuel making it's way into your exhaust. The AIS injects air into your exhaust with that fuel and boom, pops and backfires. The AIS is a closed system on the FZ/MT-10 where the ECU has to tell it to open. The 2WDW flash disables the AIS so you don't even really need block off plates. Call the guys out at 2WDW they have always been more than happy to answer any questions I've had. Thanks for the advice. I am waiting for my inline resistor to clear customs in LA to fully block and disable my AIS then ill see where I am with popping. If it is minimal I'll send it back to Chris to disable the fuel cut to see if that fixes the extreme on/off throttle these bikes seem to have, as well as a G2 throttle tamer. If that don't fix it, I'll call 2wdw and see what they say.
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Post by rracerfz10 on May 1, 2021 6:20:04 GMT -7
The phone call is free. I'd give them a shout just to see what they say.
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