vullnet
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Post by vullnet on Oct 16, 2020 20:53:00 GMT -7
Have about 700mi on my new mt10, Looking into exhaust options. dealer I bought it from does full apra exhaust setups, but I'm still deciding on whether or not if I go slipon/decat, decat only, or full sytem. I'd like to tune it over the winter so I need to figure out before I get the tune. Any advice is appreciated!
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Post by willl84 on Oct 17, 2020 11:02:27 GMT -7
Unless you're going for max HP or just want the look you don't need a full system. A slip on and decat pipe will bring it alive, just make sure to get the Servo Buddy so you don't get any ECU errors from not having an exhaust servo motor and definitely get a flash as well.
I put a Hindle 3/4 on mine and it sounds fantastic. No flash yet but it needs it bad - the flat spots from nto having the exhaust valve are annoying AF. Planning on doing the 2WDW ECU flash this winter
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Post by vullnet on Oct 18, 2020 14:12:58 GMT -7
Unless you're going for max HP or just want the look you don't need a full system. A slip on and decat pipe will bring it alive, just make sure to get the Servo Buddy so you don't get any ECU errors from not having an exhaust servo motor and definitely get a flash as well. I put a Hindle 3/4 on mine and it sounds fantastic. No flash yet but it needs it bad - the flat spots from nto having the exhaust valve are annoying AF. Planning on doing the 2WDW ECU flash this winter I'd like to get max HP, I'd probably need a quote first though on the full system. Slipon + decat would bring me to about $1000 if I go Aprakovic, then another $300 or so for the 2WDW flash. |
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Post by willl84 on Oct 19, 2020 4:17:20 GMT -7
I'd go with the Graves EVER system personally. It keeps the exhaust valve so the low end stays torquey
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Post by vullnet on Oct 19, 2020 14:53:41 GMT -7
I'd go with the Graves EVER system personally. It keeps the exhaust valve so the low end stays torquey After doing the math, apra full kit is out of the question. definitely just decatting and slip on. apra slip on + apra decat runs about the same price as the graves, at about 1300 each. I was looking into scorpion decats but can't find any in stock, but revzilla has the apra Ti one for 600$. If I get a tune and decat first without a slip on, do I need to worry about retuning it for the slip on? |
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Post by si on Oct 19, 2020 22:32:30 GMT -7
Best gains will be had from tuning with mods complete
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Post by willl84 on Oct 20, 2020 6:05:08 GMT -7
I'd go with the Graves EVER system personally. It keeps the exhaust valve so the low end stays torquey After doing the math, apra full kit is out of the question. definitely just decatting and slip on. apra slip on + apra decat runs about the same price as the graves, at about 1300 each. I was looking into scorpion decats but can't find any in stock, but revzilla has the apra Ti one for 600$. If I get a tune and decat first without a slip on, do I need to worry about retuning it for the slip on? Your best bet is to get a tune. I've had a Hindle with decat on mine since it had 40 miles on it and the fuelign is really lean. I'll be getting the 2WDW ECU tune along with a G2 throttle tamer this winter to sort it out |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 7:12:59 GMT -7
Personally if you remove the cat any exhaust is going to be stupid loud.
I found the sound perfect by just removing the muffler and adding a black powder coated tip for $15.
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Post by evitzee on Oct 23, 2020 15:47:04 GMT -7
Just remember, sound muffling is almost all done in the cat box and not in the 'muffler'. Many people think they need a full 3/4 system decat and they are disappointed that the bike is annoyingly loud. Some people like the loundness, many don't, and almost all neighbors or bystanders won't like it. Decide what you are really looking for and go from there. More power is fine, but you will actually run faster by being a better rider. Take a course or two, it will be more cost effective in the long run.
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Post by vullnet on Oct 25, 2020 13:58:43 GMT -7
Just remember, sound muffling is almost all done in the cat box and not in the 'muffler'. Many people think they need a full 3/4 system decat and they are disappointed that the bike is annoyingly loud. Some people like the loundness, many don't, and almost all neighbors or bystanders won't like it. Decide what you are really looking for and go from there. More power is fine, but you will actually run faster by being a better rider. Take a course or two, it will be more cost effective in the long run. Think I'm just going to decat it and work from there for now. if I want it louder I'll add a slip on. |
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Post by vullnet on Dec 5, 2020 13:40:35 GMT -7
After doing the math, apra full kit is out of the question. definitely just decatting and slip on. apra slip on + apra decat runs about the same price as the graves, at about 1300 each. I was looking into scorpion decats but can't find any in stock, but revzilla has the apra Ti one for 600$. If I get a tune and decat first without a slip on, do I need to worry about retuning it for the slip on? Your best bet is to get a tune. I've had a Hindle with decat on mine since it had 40 miles on it and the fuelign is really lean. I'll be getting the 2WDW ECU tune along with a G2 throttle tamer this winter to sort it out Ended up ordering a leovince decat, debating getting a graves exhaust. Bought the tune, but got into in accident so bikes still in the shop. You think the slipon was worth it? |
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Post by willl84 on Dec 6, 2020 5:27:24 GMT -7
Your best bet is to get a tune. I've had a Hindle with decat on mine since it had 40 miles on it and the fuelign is really lean. I'll be getting the 2WDW ECU tune along with a G2 throttle tamer this winter to sort it out Ended up ordering a leovince decat, debating getting a graves exhaust. Bought the tune, but got into in accident so bikes still in the shop. You think the slipon was worth it? The decat is pretty loud, not gonna lie but it sound so good. I don't see the point of a slip-on that uses the stock cat as the stock muffler is just a straight-through baffle like anything aftermarket. At that point you're paying for the name and looks more than anything. Sending my ECU out for a flash this week. Got a good amount of snow yesterday so I think the season is done finally lol |
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Post by vullnet on Dec 6, 2020 17:26:29 GMT -7
Ended up ordering a leovince decat, debating getting a graves exhaust. Bought the tune, but got into in accident so bikes still in the shop. You think the slipon was worth it? The decat is pretty loud, not gonna lie but it sound so good. I don't see the point of a slip-on that uses the stock cat as the stock muffler is just a straight-through baffle like anything aftermarket. At that point you're paying for the name and looks more than anything. Sending my ECU out for a flash this week. Got a good amount of snow yesterday so I think the season is done finally lol Yea probably just gonna stick with the decat then, and in the future maybe I'll just do a full exhaust upgrade if I really wanted to. Got some nice clutch levers from ASV ordered, bikes at the shop so I might just have the guy do it lol. |
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Post by willl84 on Dec 6, 2020 17:41:27 GMT -7
The decat is pretty loud, not gonna lie but it sound so good. I don't see the point of a slip-on that uses the stock cat as the stock muffler is just a straight-through baffle like anything aftermarket. At that point you're paying for the name and looks more than anything. Sending my ECU out for a flash this week. Got a good amount of snow yesterday so I think the season is done finally lol Yea probably just gonna stick with the decat then, and in the future maybe I'll just do a full exhaust upgrade if I really wanted to. Got some nice clutch levers from ASV ordered, bikes at the shop so I might just have the guy do it lol. I've heard of issues with the clutch switches (one switch with two switches inside) with aftermarket levers and sometimes it causes issues with cruise control not working because the switches aren't hit right. Some have modified the levers and others got some kind of upgraded switch tab that goes on the other itself. You'll probably be fine but if your cc doesn't work after that's why |
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Post by vullnet on Dec 6, 2020 18:07:36 GMT -7
Yea probably just gonna stick with the decat then, and in the future maybe I'll just do a full exhaust upgrade if I really wanted to. Got some nice clutch levers from ASV ordered, bikes at the shop so I might just have the guy do it lol. I've heard of issues with the clutch switches (one switch with two switches inside) with aftermarket levers and sometimes it causes issues with cruise control not working because the switches aren't hit right. Some have modified the levers and others got some kind of upgraded switch tab that goes on the other itself. You'll probably be fine but if your cc doesn't work after that's why Good to know. Is there any reason it would interfere? Are the clutch and cruise system linked together? |
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Post by vk on Dec 6, 2020 19:23:23 GMT -7
The asv levers are good to go now. Some of earlier ones weren't quite right but they have resolved it. I got them, real easy to install yourself. There is a older thread that addresses it. You will be good.
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Post by willl84 on Dec 7, 2020 7:55:18 GMT -7
I've heard of issues with the clutch switches (one switch with two switches inside) with aftermarket levers and sometimes it causes issues with cruise control not working because the switches aren't hit right. Some have modified the levers and others got some kind of upgraded switch tab that goes on the other itself. You'll probably be fine but if your cc doesn't work after that's why Good to know. Is there any reason it would interfere? Are the clutch and cruise system linked together? Yes, some levers didn't push the pin in far enough to activate the clutch switch and as such the cruise wouldn't work because the bike thinks the clutch is pulled in. But like VK said they seem to have fixed that problem now 👍 |
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Post by vullnet on Dec 15, 2020 15:58:40 GMT -7
Good to know. Is there any reason it would interfere? Are the clutch and cruise system linked together? Yes, some levers didn't push the pin in far enough to activate the clutch switch and as such the cruise wouldn't work because the bike thinks the clutch is pulled in. But like VK said they seem to have fixed that problem now 👍 Do you need to plug those 2 holes? I took out my ecu and tried squeezing in the decat but there were 500 million bolts so I'm saving it for another day. |
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Post by willl84 on Dec 16, 2020 5:10:27 GMT -7
Yes, some levers didn't push the pin in far enough to activate the clutch switch and as such the cruise wouldn't work because the bike thinks the clutch is pulled in. But like VK said they seem to have fixed that problem now 👍 Do you need to plug those 2 holes? I took out my ecu and tried squeezing in the decat but there were 500 million bolts so I'm saving it for another day. If you don't install the OEM O2 sensors (if you're getting your ECU flashed then you have to at least unplug them) into the decat pipe then yes you need to plug the holes. My Hindle decat pipe came with three O2 sensor fittings - two small ones for stock and a larger one for the wide band sensors that come with auto-tune kits. It also came with threaded plugs for all three holes if you don't use any of them. I installed the factory O2 sensors as my ECU wasn't flashed yet (bike was brand new - only put 40 miles on with the stock exhaust) but I made sure to save the plugs in my toolbox in case I needed them which now I do. I'll get those removed (ordered blanking connectors yesterday for the wiring harness side of the O2 sensors) and I've got some other things to install too - Graves PAIR block-off plates and a few other little things. |
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Post by vullnet on Dec 18, 2020 5:19:55 GMT -7
Do you need to plug those 2 holes? I took out my ecu and tried squeezing in the decat but there were 500 million bolts so I'm saving it for another day. If you don't install the OEM O2 sensors (if you're getting your ECU flashed then you have to at least unplug them) into the decat pipe then yes you need to plug the holes. My Hindle decat pipe came with three O2 sensor fittings - two small ones for stock and a larger one for the wide band sensors that come with auto-tune kits. It also came with threaded plugs for all three holes if you don't use any of them. I installed the factory O2 sensors as my ECU wasn't flashed yet (bike was brand new - only put 40 miles on with the stock exhaust) but I made sure to save the plugs in my toolbox in case I needed them which now I do. I'll get those removed (ordered blanking connectors yesterday for the wiring harness side of the O2 sensors) and I've got some other things to install too - Graves PAIR block-off plates and a few other little things. Did you end up getting your ecu flashed ? |
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