slangblades
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Post by slangblades on Jun 20, 2020 1:46:05 GMT -7
I was wondering how long i should let the engine warm up before riding. It is around 85 degrees here in california. I know it can be bad to let a motorcycle engine idle too long, so was curious if you guys warm yours up and for how long is a good amount of time if you do?
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lizerdking
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Post by lizerdking on Jun 20, 2020 6:23:46 GMT -7
With synthetic oil a couple minutes is more than enough to get the innards coated. These bikes have a cooling system in them, they can idle all day if you choose.
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Post by evitzee on Jun 20, 2020 8:02:19 GMT -7
Hit start, put it in gear and go. You usually have a little ways to go from your driveway or parking spot to any clear, higher speed road and by that time oil is circulating and is warming up. No need to let it idle before riding and don't sit there and blip the throttle either.
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slangblades
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Post by slangblades on Jun 20, 2020 19:50:53 GMT -7
I had been letting it warm up for like 3-5 minutes before riding. But its only KIND OF cold in the mornings. Hot the rest of the day here. So, this bike is okay idling in say? drive through? Yes i went to starbucks on my bike. That was dumb because they didnt have cup holders so i had to come back in a car lol. I had been turning off the engine during these times so as to not overheat the motorcycle(NEVER in traffic).
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jsutherman
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Post by jsutherman on Jun 22, 2020 7:44:29 GMT -7
I usually wait to start to throttle the bike at 140 degrees for oil temperature. Takes just a couple of minutes. I start the bike, zip up my jacket, clean the shield on my helmet and don it, start my Sena, pick a song, then hop on and ride. If it isn't at 140 by then, I have a good size indoor garage and parking structure that I just idle out with no throttle.
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Post by dkim213 on Jun 22, 2020 8:33:48 GMT -7
I hop on the bike after all my stuff is on, fire it up, and ride away. By the time I hit the freeway, I do whatever.
I don’t let mine idle very long because it’s loud.
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Post by hooli on Jun 22, 2020 12:04:34 GMT -7
They can idle all day if you choose. No, they can't.
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Post by rracerfz10 on Jun 22, 2020 17:22:33 GMT -7
Coolant and oil do not warm up at the same rate at all. Oil takes much longer. I have a Focus ST and a Cobb Accessport that shows me a lot of info about the engine. Coolant temp oil temp AFR boost pressure charged air temp etc. Even on a hot day where it’s 90* outside my coolant will be at 190* in just a couple of minutes but the oil is still around 100*.
The oil getting to temp is way more important before you start hammering the engine because the oil is thinner until it reaches operating temperature. What I do is let the bike warm up to about 150-160 on the temp gauge then take it easy for about 5-10 minutes of in town riding. On a warm day that’s plenty. Now if it’s like 40* outside it’ can take 15 minutes or more.
Engine oil is designed to get thicker as it heats up that’s what the 10w40 means. It’s 10 weight or there about when cold so it can still flow but increases viscosity to 40 weight at operating temperature which is generally around 120* or more.
Hope this helps.
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lotust251
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Post by lotust251 on Jun 25, 2020 5:06:17 GMT -7
about 10 seconds then by the time im 2 blocks away never raving past 3k rpm she's up to 130-140*
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Post by natnaz13 on Jun 25, 2020 8:57:05 GMT -7
I don't know why no one mentioned that while the bike is warming up it will be a good time to check over the bike from headlight to taillight and it usually takes about 2 minutes . To me it's better to find out if there is a problem with the bike be it at home than on the road.
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Post by thefinn on Jun 26, 2020 1:23:39 GMT -7
My usual routine is to start the bike up, put on my jacket (if not already on), put in my earplugs, helmet on, connect my inercom with my phone for music and finally gloves on. That lets the engine get up to temp. Doesnt take more than a minute or two.
As mentioned before, it takes longer for the engine to actually get into complete operating temperatures.
It takes some 30 seconds for the oil to recoat the engine in "fresh" oil, but its not ideal temperatures. How long it tales for the oil to heat i do not know.
Then there is the problem of heat expansion. The engine doesnt get heated perfectly evenly (the bottom of the cylinder heats slower than the piston and top of the cylinder for example), so that can lead to blowby in the long run. So take it easy the first maybe 10-15 minutes before you let it rip.
TL:DR Startup -- ~2mins -- easy going -- 8-13 mins -- full power.
In cold climates it takes longer ofcause. Wouldnt know how long it takes though
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Post by RedAndBlack on Jun 28, 2020 15:29:41 GMT -7
In regular weather, almost immediately. Modern engines are designed for immediate use. The Oil pump will immediately start to circulate oil and with the relatively small and compact motorcycle engines, it will only be a few seconds for the oil to circulate. You should go easy on the engine for the first 2 minutes as the oil heats up and the viscosity gets better with higher oil temp.
In colder weather, you may want to wait a little longer, as oil viscosity will be poorer.
AT MOST in regular weather, I'd say 15 seconds. With a good 2 minutes before you start hammering on it.
But if you occasionally start it up and take off in normal weather, nothing to loose sleep over.
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Post by khanartist on Jun 30, 2020 22:01:45 GMT -7
typically i like to see my temps on the odo reach 115-20 before i roll away. it doesnt take long. maybe 30 seconds at most? in summer weather, fire it up and ride, its already hot and ready lol.
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Post by jacoby on Jul 1, 2020 9:02:37 GMT -7
They can idle all day if you choose. No, they can't. Yes they can I wait for the temp gauge to change from “low” to a temp reading then it’s good to go. Shouldn’t take more than a minute. Within a couple minutes after that oil temp is fine to hammer on it. If you start it and immediately head off it’s gonna run like ass because the fueling is still super rich. You atleast need to wait for the idle to settle down.
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Post by hooli on Jul 5, 2020 15:04:09 GMT -7
Yes they can I wait for the temp gauge to change from “low” to a temp reading then it’s good to go. Shouldn’t take more than a minute. Within a couple minutes after that oil temp is fine to hammer on it. If you start it and immediately head off it’s gonna run like ass because the fueling is still super rich. You atleast need to wait for the idle to settle down. I was addressing the statement that "They can idle all day if you choose." A motorcycle is designed to move, not sit in one spot and idle "all day long." That's a recipe for overheating, since a bike's cooling system does not have the capacity that a car does. I do agree that it takes a minimum of warm-up time; if I start my bike from cold, by the time I pull on my helmet and tug on my gloves, that thermostat is open and engine oil is warmed up enough to accept moderate throttle.
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Post by rracerfz10 on Jul 5, 2020 16:30:46 GMT -7
I don’t know what temp it opens up at but I doubt it’s lower than 180*
No bikes can not idle all day. These have a high performance engine with a 12/1 compression ratio and a 1,200rpm idle. That’s a bad idea to let one of these, or any bike sit idling for more than absolutely necessary.
Anyone here into drag racing? There’s a tactic used by scunmy people especially in illicit drag racing called “burning down” basically how it works is you take your time staging causing your opponent to be sitting idling longer and either getting them to over heat or run like crap.
Picture a turbo car vs a nitrous car. The turbo, especially if it’s a huge engine is going to build tons of heat and cool way slower vs the nitrous since as soon as you hit the spray it cools the cylinders almost instantly.
Naturally aspirated, turbo, and supercharged vehicles hate heat and heat soak quickly. That can cause knock really easily even at idle.
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jacoby
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Post by jacoby on Jul 5, 2020 17:55:12 GMT -7
Yes they can I wait for the temp gauge to change from “low” to a temp reading then it’s good to go. Shouldn’t take more than a minute. Within a couple minutes after that oil temp is fine to hammer on it. If you start it and immediately head off it’s gonna run like ass because the fueling is still super rich. You atleast need to wait for the idle to settle down. I was addressing the statement that "They can idle all day if you choose." I know and that’s what I replied to
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jacoby
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Post by jacoby on Jul 5, 2020 17:56:37 GMT -7
I don’t know what temp it opens up at but I doubt it’s lower than 180* No bikes can not idle all day. These have a high performance engine with a 12/1 compression ratio and a 1,200rpm idle. That’s a bad idea to let one of these, or any bike sit idling for more than absolutely necessary. Anyone here into drag racing? There’s a tactic used by scunmy people especially in illicit drag racing called “burning down” basically how it works is you take your time staging causing your opponent to be sitting idling longer and either getting them to over heat or run like crap. Picture a turbo car vs a nitrous car. The turbo, especially if it’s a huge engine is going to build tons of heat and cool way slower vs the nitrous since as soon as you hit the spray it cools the cylinders almost instantly. Naturally aspirated, turbo, and supercharged vehicles hate heat and heat soak quickly. That can cause knock really easily even at idle. 🤦♂️
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Post by rracerfz10 on Jul 5, 2020 18:07:10 GMT -7
A well reasoned throughly thought out response. 🙄
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Post by rsh on Jul 11, 2020 12:00:42 GMT -7
I typically let the temperature reach 142 degrees before taking off, doesnt take long to warm up.
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