willthethrill
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Post by willthethrill on Jun 8, 2020 15:11:34 GMT -7
So went to jump on my bike before work to find the rear tire flat. 700 miles on it and a little shard of metal (the size of an industrial staple) had punctured it just to the right of the center.
My question is: what would be the best all around tire for commuting with the occasional weekend rides through twisties? I don’t wanna have to replace it every 700 miles because of peoples trash on the roads, and really don’t want to change them out when I want to go for the occasional joyride. I’m so out of date on tires and just got back into riding so any help is appreciated. Thanks!!
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Post by madmagpul on Jun 8, 2020 18:33:15 GMT -7
My go to has been the Michelin Pilot 5's, absolutely great feel, great wet weather performance and pretty good grip considering how well it does the first two. I cant speak 100% to their tread life because I got a nail in my tire also at about 3,000 miles. But id say they could get at least 8,000 miles, and I end up probably do a 50/50 mix of street/canyon carving. As to the strength side of the question I'm not sure what would be best in that category.
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Post by willthethrill on Jun 8, 2020 18:38:11 GMT -7
My go to has been the Michelin Pilot 5's, absolutely great feel, great wet weather performance and pretty good grip considering how well it does the first two. I cant speak 100% to their tread life because I got a nail in my tire also at about 3,000 miles. But id say they could get at least 8,000 miles, and I end up probably do a 50/50 mix of street/canyon carving. As to the strength side of the question I'm not sure what would be best in that category. Those are definitely one of the few I’ve been looking at, on my fz1, I always ran diablos, so I have been looking pretty heavy at the angel Gt 2’s. If only it were as easy as patch and go like car tires, huh? LOL
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Post by pc1978 on Jun 8, 2020 19:15:02 GMT -7
I’m going to be in the same boat soon. My bike came with Conti Sport Attacks (original version) and I’ve liked them and the rear is about $125. Getting about 2k out of a rear, 2nd rear is about done and looks like I can put one more on before the front needs changed. I’m leaning toward the Road 5, to get more mileage out of my tires and try it out. I had the Angel GT and the GTII on my previous bike KTM SDGT. They were both more than enough grip for me for the street. I got about 4k-4.5k out of the rears, but 105 ft-lb (claimed at the crank) and I’m not light on the throttle. I was doing a mix of commuting and backroad spirited riding, so my center did wear out first. From what I’ve read (but never tried the Road 5) is that the Road 5 may last a bit longer than the Angels, but the turn in is a bit quicker on the Angels (steeper profile). The one thing you may want to do some reading on with the GTII is the center rain grooves. When I accelerated hard the front did shimmy a bit, nothing that scared me but was annoying. Only on hard acceleration though, not during normal acceleration or constant appends. But there are reports of not feeling planted/stable on roads with rain grooves, as the grooves in the tire and the road grooves cause the front to not hold a straight line. If I was to go back to the Pirellis I would probably get the GT instead of the II for this reason, and its better priced since it’s an older iteration. They also still make the Angel ST (which I’ve had before) but it is a single compound rear and not nearly as confidence inspiring as the newer GT versions when leaned/cornering. I’ve also heard good things about the Conti Road Attack 3, so I may consider them also. Decisions, decisions. Pic is of a Angel GT just shy of 4k miles.
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Post by khanartist on Jun 8, 2020 21:34:02 GMT -7
michelin road 5.
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Post by willthethrill on Jun 9, 2020 0:49:11 GMT -7
I’m going to be in the same boat soon. My bike came with Conti Sport Attacks (original version) and I’ve liked them and the rear is about $125. Getting about 2k out of a rear, 2nd rear is about done and looks like I can put one more on before the front needs changed. I’m leaning toward the Road 5, to get more mileage out of my tires and try it out. I had the Angel GT and the GTII on my previous bike KTM SDGT. They were both more than enough grip for me for the street. I got about 4k-4.5k out of the rears, but 105 ft-lb (claimed at the crank) and I’m not light on the throttle. I was doing a mix of commuting and backroad spirited riding, so my center did wear out first. From what I’ve read (but never tried the Road 5) is that the Road 5 may last a bit longer than the Angels, but the turn in is a bit quicker on the Angels (steeper profile). The one thing you may want to do some reading on with the GTII is the center rain grooves. When I accelerated hard the front did shimmy a bit, nothing that scared me but was annoying. Only on hard acceleration though, not during normal acceleration or constant appends. But there are reports of not feeling planted/stable on roads with rain grooves, as the grooves in the tire and the road grooves cause the front to not hold a straight line. If I was to go back to the Pirellis I would probably get the GT instead of the II for this reason, and its better priced since it’s an older iteration. They also still make the Angel ST (which I’ve had before) but it is a single compound rear and not nearly as confidence inspiring as the newer GT versions when leaned/cornering. I’ve also heard good things about the Conti Road Attack 3, so I may consider them also. Decisions, decisions. Pic is of a Angel GT just shy of 4k miles. Thanks for the input!! These decisions are almost as tough as life decisions!! 😂 😂 The roads I run on notorious for tar snakes, but don’t have rain grooves. I’d say it’s because they are all asphalt around here. Thanks for the pic!! To me 4,000 miles sounds pretty fair especially with 105 foot lbs of torque!! The Road 5 seems to be the front runner, but surprised I haven’t hear anything about the diablo 3’s or Avon’s. Granted the post was made not long ago. 😂
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Post by jsutherman on Jun 9, 2020 6:22:09 GMT -7
I’m going to be in the same boat soon. My bike came with Conti Sport Attacks (original version) and I’ve liked them and the rear is about $125. Getting about 2k out of a rear, 2nd rear is about done and looks like I can put one more on before the front needs changed. I’m leaning toward the Road 5, to get more mileage out of my tires and try it out. I had the Angel GT and the GTII on my previous bike KTM SDGT. They were both more than enough grip for me for the street. I got about 4k-4.5k out of the rears, but 105 ft-lb (claimed at the crank) and I’m not light on the throttle. I was doing a mix of commuting and backroad spirited riding, so my center did wear out first. From what I’ve read (but never tried the Road 5) is that the Road 5 may last a bit longer than the Angels, but the turn in is a bit quicker on the Angels (steeper profile). The one thing you may want to do some reading on with the GTII is the center rain grooves. When I accelerated hard the front did shimmy a bit, nothing that scared me but was annoying. Only on hard acceleration though, not during normal acceleration or constant appends. But there are reports of not feeling planted/stable on roads with rain grooves, as the grooves in the tire and the road grooves cause the front to not hold a straight line. If I was to go back to the Pirellis I would probably get the GT instead of the II for this reason, and its better priced since it’s an older iteration. They also still make the Angel ST (which I’ve had before) but it is a single compound rear and not nearly as confidence inspiring as the newer GT versions when leaned/cornering. I’ve also heard good things about the Conti Road Attack 3, so I may consider them also. Decisions, decisions. Pic is of a Angel GT just shy of 4k miles. How did you like the SDGT. I am considering getting a new bike in the next 1-2 years and have been looking at the KTM line....SDGT and SD Adventure S in particular.
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Post by pc1978 on Jun 9, 2020 11:23:22 GMT -7
How did you like the SDGT. I am considering getting a new bike in the next 1-2 years and have been looking at the KTM line....SDGT and SD Adventure S in particular. I really loved that bike. I love the MT-10 also. IMO the MT-10 is hands down the best value (bang for the buck) in the super naked category. I had my SDGT for about a year, put 11k miles on it. Had a seemingly minor accident, but insurance totaled it. I was hoping to buy it back at auction and repair it if it went for cheap enough, but someone paid what I thought was a ridiculous amount. I could have repaired it for around $1200 in parts, and it would have only had a few minor cosmetic blemishes left. My SDGT was stock, except for a slip-on. And my MT-10 has a mid-pipe, ECU flash, QS+/-, and +2 rear sprocket. So my MT-10 is probably at least 50 lbs lighter than my SDGT and more powerful than a stock MT. With that in mind: The SDGT did pull harder from 5k-8k rpm, but below that my MT does, and above that they feel evenly matched. If you really put them through the paces on curvy roads, the MT does handle better, probably because it is basically on an R1 chassis. I can take the same corners on roads I know with more speed, stability and confidence on the MT. The SDGT is not a bad handling bike, just not quite as good as the MT. However the 2020 SDR had major improvements made to the frame and suspension and all the reviews say it is much better handling in a track atmosphere than the previous Gen. It also appears they have squeezed significantly more power out of the engine. They only claim about 3 more HP, but there are several videos out of dyno runs and it appears that stock vs stock the new gen is around 15 more HP and 10 more ft-lb to the rear wheel than the Gen 2. The rumor is (based on spy shots) that the 2021 SDGT will be getting the same improvements as the new SDR. After my accident I wanted a pure naked bike and wanted to pay cash. For the price I paid for my heavily/nicely modded MT-10 with 3500 miles, I probably could have only gotten a Gen 1 SDR with significantly more miles. I’ll probably want something new in a couple years also, just because. And of the current bikes on the market I was thinking the 2020 SDR would be the one. However, my wife really liked riding with me on the SDGT. But she can’t stand riding on the MT, even with a comfort seat, Air Hawk cushion, and Tracer pegs. So the SDGT would likely be my choice over the SDR as long as it gets the same improvements. But there is one other bike that has me intrigued if I go the sport touring route. The Kawasaki H2 SX. It does weigh more than the SDGT. The 2019 got electronic suspension and Brembo Stylemas, and I’ve seen them new on cycle trader for $16-17k. What has me really interested though is the Brocks performance exhaust and tune. He has a YouTube video of one with his mods putting down 250 HP to the rear wheel (and over 100 ft-lb) on pump gas. That has to be absolutely insane on a sport touring bike that you can ride in comfort. If you haven’t checked out the KTM forum, it is a great forum. Lots of helpful people and the Super Duke section is pretty active. There have been several threads over the past year of people considering the SDR and SDGT that have lots of responses that you might find useful information. www.ktmforums.com/forums/super-duke.194/
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Post by jsutherman on Jun 9, 2020 11:55:51 GMT -7
How did you like the SDGT. I am considering getting a new bike in the next 1-2 years and have been looking at the KTM line....SDGT and SD Adventure S in particular. I really loved that bike. I love the MT-10 also. IMO the MT-10 is hands down the best value (bang for the buck) in the super naked category. I had my SDGT for about a year, put 11k miles on it. Had a seemingly minor accident, but insurance totaled it. I was hoping to buy it back at auction and repair it if it went for cheap enough, but someone paid what I thought was a ridiculous amount. I could have repaired it for around $1200 in parts, and it would have only had a few minor cosmetic blemishes left. My SDGT was stock, except for a slip-on. And my MT-10 has a mid-pipe, ECU flash, QS+/-, and +2 rear sprocket. So my MT-10 is probably at least 50 lbs lighter than my SDGT and more powerful than a stock MT. With that in mind: The SDGT did pull harder from 5k-8k rpm, but below that my MT does, and above that they feel evenly matched. If you really put them through the paces on curvy roads, the MT does handle better, probably because it is basically on an R1 chassis. I can take the same corners on roads I know with more speed, stability and confidence on the MT. The SDGT is not a bad handling bike, just not quite as good as the MT. However the 2020 SDR had major improvements made to the frame and suspension and all the reviews say it is much better handling in a track atmosphere than the previous Gen. It also appears they have squeezed significantly more power out of the engine. They only claim about 3 more HP, but there are several videos out of dyno runs and it appears that stock vs stock the new gen is around 15 more HP and 10 more ft-lb to the rear wheel than the Gen 2. The rumor is (based on spy shots) that the 2021 SDGT will be getting the same improvements as the new SDR. After my accident I wanted a pure naked bike and wanted to pay cash. For the price I paid for my heavily/nicely modded MT-10 with 3500 miles, I probably could have only gotten a Gen 1 SDR with significantly more miles. I’ll probably want something new in a couple years also, just because. And of the current bikes on the market I was thinking the 2020 SDR would be the one. However, my wife really liked riding with me on the SDGT. But she can’t stand riding on the MT, even with a comfort seat, Air Hawk cushion, and Tracer pegs. So the SDGT would likely be my choice over the SDR as long as it gets the same improvements. But there is one other bike that has me intrigued if I go the sport touring route. The Kawasaki H2 SX. It does weigh more than the SDGT. The 2019 got electronic suspension and Brembo Stylemas, and I’ve seen them new on cycle trader for $16-17k. What has me really interested though is the Brocks performance exhaust and tune. He has a YouTube video of one with his mods putting down 250 HP to the rear wheel (and over 100 ft-lb) on pump gas. That has to be absolutely insane on a sport touring bike that you can ride in comfort. If you haven’t checked out the KTM forum, it is a great forum. Lots of helpful people and the Super Duke section is pretty active. There have been several threads over the past year of people considering the SDR and SDGT that have lots of responses that you might find useful information. www.ktmforums.com/forums/super-duke.194/This was a good read. The only....only reason for me selling the FZ other than racking up the miles and selling it while it has value is for my lady. She doesn't complain so far even on the stock seat (just purchased and waiting to receive a comfort seat) but I know she would hate it on a longer ride. I love the FZ. I've got a buddy with a 14 or 15 KTM SD and it is a monster but I preferred the FZ's ergos so I bought it in a crate while it was shipping from the dealer. If I could afford a H2SX I would snag one but that price is steep. I would rather go back to a Hayabusa and bag it. I am probably gonna hit a demo day for a dealer or two in the future and find out what the new SD range feels like. If I am not impressed, the Triumph 1200 adventure line is my next stop. Or.... I spend 7k on a used Honda cruiser and reserve that for my 2-up riding.
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Post by authentic17 on Jun 9, 2020 12:02:07 GMT -7
I have a set of the previously mentioned Angel ST single compound tires.
I do long weekend mountain rides (50-75mph leaned over to the edge of the rear tire) and commute ( 50 miles daily in a straight line) during the week.
1.5 months later, just crossed 4k miles and have about 40% tread left on the rear which is not as round as new anymore but has not squared off at all yet.
The front is barely worn. I accelerate hard all the time, otherwise id have more tread left on the rear. I'm trying the Michelin Road 5's next to give them a shot.
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Post by willthethrill on Jun 9, 2020 14:56:12 GMT -7
I have a set of the previously mentioned Angel ST single compound tires. I do long weekend mountain rides (50-75mph leaned over to the edge of the rear tire) and commute ( 50 miles daily in a straight line) during the week. 1.5 months later, just crossed 4k miles and have about 40% tread left on the rear which is not as round as new anymore but has not squared off at all yet. The front is barely worn. I accelerate hard all the time, otherwise id have more tread left on the rear. I'm trying the Michelin Road 5's next to give them a shot. Just talked to Cycle gear and found out the have them angel II gt a spec on stock so don’t have to wait if I go with that. They said they could order in a road 5 gt and get there in 3-5 business days. Not sure I can wait that long so I am gonna spend the afternoon debating with myself. Lol!!
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Post by authentic17 on Jun 9, 2020 15:42:36 GMT -7
I have a set of the previously mentioned Angel ST single compound tires. I do long weekend mountain rides (50-75mph leaned over to the edge of the rear tire) and commute ( 50 miles daily in a straight line) during the week. 1.5 months later, just crossed 4k miles and have about 40% tread left on the rear which is not as round as new anymore but has not squared off at all yet. The front is barely worn. I accelerate hard all the time, otherwise id have more tread left on the rear. I'm trying the Michelin Road 5's next to give them a shot. Just talked to Cycle gear and found out the have them angel II gt a spec on stock so don’t have to wait if I go with that. They said they could order in a road 5 gt and get there in 3-5 business days. Not sure I can wait that long so I am gonna spend the afternoon debating with myself. Lol!! I think its easier to wait for the tires you want to arrive than wait for the tires you bought to wear out so you can get the ones you actually wanted. Its up to you, but they're all good tires regardless. I got the ST's on amazon for 226$ dated 2018.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 17:50:09 GMT -7
You can hardly do better than Road5s, so I'd give them a try. They're probably better than any other sport-touring tire in every category, especially dry grip. It's amazing how good they perform. Once you try them, doubt you'd go back to anything else . Good luck. Now, after seeing a photo of an Angel GT above, I feel like eating chicken strips tonight. Ha ha. Be safe, gang.
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Post by pc1978 on Jun 10, 2020 18:46:50 GMT -7
I have a set of the previously mentioned Angel ST single compound tires. I do long weekend mountain rides (50-75mph leaned over to the edge of the rear tire) and commute ( 50 miles daily in a straight line) during the week. 1.5 months later, just crossed 4k miles and have about 40% tread left on the rear which is not as round as new anymore but has not squared off at all yet. The front is barely worn. I accelerate hard all the time, otherwise id have more tread left on the rear. I'm trying the Michelin Road 5's next to give them a shot. Just talked to Cycle gear and found out the have them angel II gt a spec on stock so don’t have to wait if I go with that. They said they could order in a road 5 gt and get there in 3-5 business days. Not sure I can wait that long so I am gonna spend the afternoon debating with myself. Lol!! Any particular reason you’re going for the heavy bike versions of each. i have heard you get more miles out of them when using with heavy bikes, stiffer carcass/sidewall to better support the weight. But not sure how that plays out when using on lighter bikes. And/or if would make a lighter bike feel less compliant on rougher surfaces with the stiffer sidewalls. i think I may have decided on a different tire altogether. Spent some time last night and today, looking at options, wide range from Road 5 and Angel GT(or II) to Q3+, Diablo Rosso 3 and Rosso Corse 2. When looking on Cycle Gear I saw a combo deal on the Bridgestone S22’s. $270 for both front and rear. Only $25 more than just a Road 5 rear, and $145 less than a Road 5 set. www.cyclegear.com/tires/bridgestone-battlax-hypersport-s22-comboThe S22’s seem to be getting favorable reviews for sporty street tires since their release last year. 2 compound front, 3 compound rear (5 zones). At that price it should cover some of the difference that the Road 5’s would gain in tire life, with the added benefit of additional grip. I usually buy my tires from Cycle Gear because they have $25 install on tires bought from them. Mine has also price matched for me (even though their policy states they don’t for tires). Gonna go by tomorrow and see if the store will sell the package deal price from their stock. If not I’ll just order them online and have them shipped to the store for install.
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Post by willthethrill on Jun 10, 2020 20:14:20 GMT -7
Just talked to Cycle gear and found out the have them angel II gt a spec on stock so don’t have to wait if I go with that. They said they could order in a road 5 gt and get there in 3-5 business days. Not sure I can wait that long so I am gonna spend the afternoon debating with myself. Lol!! Any particular reason you’re going for the heavy bike versions of each. i have heard you get more miles out of them when using with heavy bikes, stiffer carcass/sidewall to better support the weight. But not sure how that plays out when using on lighter bikes. And/or if would make a lighter bike feel less compliant on rougher surfaces with the stiffer sidewalls. i think I may have decided on a different tire altogether. Spent some time last night and today, looking at options, wide range from Road 5 and Angel GT(or II) to Q3+, Diablo Rosso 3 and Rosso Corse 2. When looking on Cycle Gear I saw a combo deal on the Bridgestone S22’s. $270 for both front and rear. Only $25 more than just a Road 5 rear, and $145 less than a Road 5 set. www.cyclegear.com/tires/bridgestone-battlax-hypersport-s22-comboThe S22’s seem to be getting favorable reviews for sporty street tires since their release last year. 2 compound front, 3 compound rear (5 zones). At that price it should cover some of the difference that the Road 5’s would gain in tire life, with the added benefit of additional grip. I usually buy my tires from Cycle Gear because they have $25 install on tires bought from them. Mine has also price matched for me (even though their policy states they don’t for tires). Gonna go by tomorrow and see if the store will sell the package deal price from their stock. If not I’ll just order them online and have them shipped to the store for install. Main reasoning for going with a tire of a heavier bike is because I’m the size of two riders put together. Hahaha! 6’5’’ and 280 lbs, so I was thinking weight that much, it may be better to get a tire designed for a heavier bike. Now as for the Road 5, is everyone referring to the road 5 or 5 gt? That may be a dumb question. I was thinking it showed the angle gt II as a triple compound as well, but after looking at so many of them, it’s starting to run together.
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Post by willthethrill on Jun 10, 2020 20:19:12 GMT -7
You can hardly do better than Road5s, so I'd give them a try. They're probably better than any other sport-touring tire in every category, especially dry grip. It's amazing how good they perform. Once you try them, doubt you'd go back to anything else . Good luck. Now, after seeing a photo of an Angel GT above, I feel like eating chicken strips tonight. Ha ha. Be safe, gang. Now you’ve got me second guessing my decision 😂😂😂 I know I have yet to see a negative review on the road 5s. I kinda asked in general in the reply I wrote before this one, but see you using Road 5 gts? Not sure if when people refer to road 5s they are talking specifically about the gt oe not. Thanks!!
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Post by willthethrill on Jun 10, 2020 20:22:27 GMT -7
Just talked to Cycle gear and found out the have them angel II gt a spec on stock so don’t have to wait if I go with that. They said they could order in a road 5 gt and get there in 3-5 business days. Not sure I can wait that long so I am gonna spend the afternoon debating with myself. Lol!! I think its easier to wait for the tires you want to arrive than wait for the tires you bought to wear out so you can get the ones you actually wanted. Its up to you, but they're all good tires regardless. I got the ST's on amazon for 226$ dated 2018. Oh I agree for sure, had it been a shinko drag tire, I would have no problem at all waiting. But considering it is one that I have been debating over, the lack of wait time makes it more enticing. 😂😆
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Post by glmt10 on Jun 10, 2020 20:30:12 GMT -7
I just installed a set of Michelin Road 5 tires on my MT-10. My stock tires were toast at just under 2000 miles. I'll have to report back later on how well they do, but if the set on my Versys 1000 are any indication, I think they'll last many miles. I installed them on my V1K just before a trip from CA to Colorado and back with the Mrs. After ~3100 miles, they hardly showed any signs of wear and were brilliant for the entire ride.
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Post by willthethrill on Jun 11, 2020 0:58:55 GMT -7
I just installed a set of Michelin Road 5 tires on my MT-10. My stock tires were toast at just under 2000 miles. I'll have to report back later on how well they do, but if the set on my Versys 1000 are any indication, I think they'll last many miles. I installed them on my V1K just before a trip from CA to Colorado and back with the Mrs. After ~3100 miles, they hardly showed any signs of wear and were brilliant for the entire ride. Wow 2 up and 3100 miles and no huge signs of wear! That’s impressive!! Look forward to your review on em!!
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