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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 18:31:43 GMT -7
I ride with a Ducati V4 so been up in the triple digits quite often and the MT10 is rock stable. I can say for sure it’s good to 155 and that’s fast enough on a naked bike.
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fastfed
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Post by fastfed on Oct 31, 2019 7:07:48 GMT -7
bike is not very stable, sorry the short wheel base, the up right position, its NOT a stable bike by design.
At least not compared to some other bikes, thats for sure
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 12:53:39 GMT -7
If the bike is not stable, then it'd be unstable. And the FZ/MT-10 is not unstable at all. But yes, it's obviously not as stable as a hypersport bike, capable of a lot higher speeds, but stable nonetheless. Also true is a short wheelbase is inherently less stable at speed than a longer one, but that's why Yamaha fitted our bikes with an electronic steering damper. For the limited speed of our bikes are capable of (compared to hypersports), the bike is as stable as it needs to be IMO . I MUCH rather have the agile short wheelbase we have for the twisties, than a longer one for a more stable top speed, when most of us might not even venture that high even once, since that's not the purpose of a naked bike. But to each his own, of course .
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Post by itsjeezus18 on Nov 5, 2019 12:24:36 GMT -7
Anyways, you asked for some aftermarket ones because you obviously feel that it isn't very stable for you.
I have also looked into swapping mine out for personal preference and can tell you that Ohlins and HyperPro make some for our ride. cheers
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Post by fishforfun2 on Apr 16, 2020 13:55:10 GMT -7
I had a shimmy on mine that I couldn't get rid of,tried tire alignment,balance tires, but it was my front tire that was the problem. I changed front tire (Shinko) and its good now.
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Post by wodger63 on Apr 16, 2020 15:37:21 GMT -7
I had a shimmy on mine that I couldn't get rid of,tried tire alignment,balance tires, but it was my front tire that was the problem. I changed front tire (Shinko) and its good now. So you're saying you replaced it with a Shinko, or you replaced the Shinko?
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Post by thefinn on May 1, 2020 0:30:24 GMT -7
Im 6'1, 230 pounds and had small issues with that before i set up my suspension correctly.
Been doing 140 mph runs and never had a problem with speed wobbles since.
The bike is set up for japaneese starving child weights from the factory, if you havent had them tuned im pretty sure thats your problem, along with death grip ofcause. If you look close on Moto GP riders hands when they are hitting the apex you can see that the hands are barely holding on to the handle bar. Grip the tank with your legs and let the front wheel do its own corrections.
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Post by rracerfz10 on May 5, 2020 23:27:16 GMT -7
Yeah I didn’t even think to look there. But, maybe i need to stiffen it? Or tune it to my weight? 6’0 I’m 235lbs That’s pretty hefty. I’m 6’2” and weigh the same. Have you done any suspension setup and respring? This is huge. If you have a soft rear and a stiff front you’ll really feel unstable at speed. The preload on my rear shock was turned almost all the way soft and it made the bike a mess everywhere. At speed in the corners low speed maneuvers. Here’s what I’ve noticed. Say you’re crushing at 100mpd and give the bars a quick wiggle the whole bike wobbles. Is that what you’re talking about? I think that this particular issue is a result of the shorter wheelbase the FZ/MT-10 has compared to the R1. The steering geometry is the same as the R1 right? Well you shorten the wheelbase by an incr that’ll make a massive difference in front end stability. The larger rear sprocket is to blame for that. Keep the same length chain and go down two teeth on the rear sprocket and you’ll be at the R1 wheelbase. I’m going to call my mechanic tomorrow and ask him to order me what he needs to to the job. My bike only has 1,700miles on it so I may be able to get away with just changing the rear sprocket worst case both of them. The chain will be fine. Now before you jump me I’ve been riding all sorts of sport bikes for over 20 years. Worked parts at Hap’s cycle sales in Florida for 3 years and sold bikes at Rossiter’s HD for two years. There was a 7 year period where I didn’t own a car and all I had were bikes. So I’m fairly certain I can reuse this chain.
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Post by pc1978 on May 6, 2020 9:14:00 GMT -7
Mine has a 45 tooth rear sprocket, however when the previous owner put on the new sprocket he also put on a new EK 3D chain, so I’m not exactly sure the length compared to the stock set-up/wheelbase. I also have an R1 rear shock and the suspension is set-up fairly stiff. I’m 6’2” around 200 lbs.
I find it to be very similar in high speed stability to my previous KTM SDGT. I generally am in the 130’s every ride and regularly 140+. Seems pretty stable and doesn’t cause me any concern. But I don’t stay at those speeds for extended time. Generally blast up to speed on back road straights, then slow back down at the next corner.
The only thing I notice is when really getting on the throttle (and at higher speeds) I focus on not putting too much pressure on the handle bar with my throttle hand. I wouldn’t call it a wobble, but pressure on the handlebar from the throttle hand does cause slight steering input.
I also recently went from 32/36 tire pressures to 34/38, and the steering does seem to be a bit more precise /controlled at those tire pressures.
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Post by blueblur on May 7, 2020 15:25:20 GMT -7
Double check that your suspension settings are the same on both forks. Other than tire pressure and geometry, this could very well be your problem. I had a bike that came from the factory with mis-matching fork settings and it took me a while to figure out the problem. When everything is set up properly you shouldn't have any issues.
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Post by dkim213 on May 7, 2020 15:56:22 GMT -7
Double check that your suspension settings are the same on both forks. Other than tire pressure and geometry, this could very well be your problem. I had a bike that came from the factory with mis-matching fork settings and it took me a while to figure out the problem. When everything is set up properly you shouldn't have any issues. Yeah, you should make it the same on both legs, but I’m not sure if it’ll cause a huge issue. I might be wrong here. I say that because GP Suspension told me you could run mismatched spring rates in the front (1.0 and 1.1 for 1.05 equiv). There are also dampers set up with adjustable damping on separate legs (comp on one and rebound on another).
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Post by rracerfz10 on May 11, 2020 0:16:40 GMT -7
Spring rates I can understand but if the oil is flowing at vastly different rates through the passages in the forks I can see that causing at issue.
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Post by dkim213 on May 11, 2020 15:00:21 GMT -7
Spring rates I can understand but if the oil is flowing at vastly different rates through the passages in the forks I can see that causing at issue. If different spring rates are okay, why would different damping rates cause an issue? There are forks out there with damping adjustments on separate legs.
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Post by rracerfz10 on May 11, 2020 21:37:16 GMT -7
Those are defined that way. Ok try this. Turn your compression and rebound all the open on one leg and all the way closed on the other and go for a ride.
The forks that only have one adjustable leg those adjustments are laughable. I’ve worked in the industry at two different dealerships for a combined 10 years almost and I’ve been riding and in the motorcycling life for over 22 years. I’ve owned and worked on Honda Triumph Suzuki Yamaha Buell bikes. I know I’m just another guy on the Internet so believe what you want. If you took 10 min to research or even think logically about your question I doubt you would’ve asked it.
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Post by dkim213 on May 12, 2020 9:14:13 GMT -7
Those are defined that way. Ok try this. Turn your compression and rebound all the open on one leg and all the way closed on the other and go for a ride. The forks that only have one adjustable leg those adjustments are laughable. I’ve worked in the industry at two different dealerships for a combined 10 years almost and I’ve been riding and in the motorcycling life for over 22 years. I’ve owned and worked on Honda Triumph Suzuki Yamaha Buell bikes. I know I’m just another guy on the Internet so believe what you want. If you took 10 min to research or even think logically about your question I doubt you would’ve asked it. I’m not trying to get into some sort of pissing match with you. I’m just saying that dissimilar damping adjustments aren’t gonna be the end of the world unless those settings offer poor rebound or compression damping. It seems like you have extensive knowledge on motorcycles. Doesn’t the ktech and ohlins cartridge offerings do separate damping adjusters on each leg?
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Post by rracerfz10 on May 13, 2020 17:17:52 GMT -7
That I’m not sure about. I don’t claim to know everything it just makes sense in a fork set designed to be set up the same in each leg having wildly different settings would cause problems. Comparing that to forks that are designed to be tuned independently is apples and oranges.
Back on topic. Set your sag and makes sure you still have static sag front and rear. Meaning press hard and fast down on the seat holding the bike upright not on the side stand. The lift the rear of the bike. It should be able to be lifted some. If not you have too much preload and need a stiffer spring. Same goes for the front. On YouTube Dave Moss and Motojutsu have good videos on this stuff.
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Post by dkim213 on May 13, 2020 17:25:08 GMT -7
I use Dave Moss’s procedure. It’s good stuff
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