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Post by RedAndBlack on Aug 12, 2019 14:28:52 GMT -7
I've talked about this on the forum in many of the topics about the Comfort Seat but here will be my official "Tech Tip" regarding it. TL;DR: You can use the larger rubber spacers under your stock seat to replace the smaller rubber spacers on the front of the comfort seat to help limit damage to the seat corners.
The stock seat is pretty bad on the Yamaha FZ/MT-10. What is equally frustrating about Yamaha, is even though they offer a much, much better OEM "Comfort Seat", it is known that these seats start to tear in the area where the seat meets the Gas Tank. Figuring what you have to shell out for this seat, it is pretty bad that this is an issue and that it develops pretty quickly on these seats.
I purchased my seat probably about a year ago. It was used (much cheaper) and was already starting to show the signs of damage in the corners of the seat that touch the tank. In my observations of installing the seat and messing around with it, I felt that the problem was being caused by too much vertical play in the seat which was causing the seat corners to constantly rub against the gas tank as you ride and the bike vibrates as you hit bumps.
I think I found an ingenious way to stop or at least slow down this damage. Like I said, I've had the seat for over a year and even though I admittedly haven't ridden as much as I normally do due to the abnormally very rainy winter we had in SoCal, I am still very aggressive with how I ride and I move around the bike a lot as I corner so I would expect that I would've seen some type of tearing on the seat corners by now. Yet, I have not seen any progression to the damage on the seat corners.
What I did was simple. If you flip over your stock seat and look at the bottom of it, you'll see there are 4 pairs of rubber spacers that hold the seat up off of the frame after you install it. The 2nd pair of the rear rubber spacers are larger then the other 3 pairs. Since my comfort seat came with an extra set of these rubber spacers (not sure if that is normal), I took this set of larger rubber spacers from my stock seat and I replaced them with the smaller rubber spacers on the comfort seat that sit closest to the gas tank (see the picture)
By doing this, it holds the seat much, much more snug against the frame and limits the up and down movement that I think causes the damage. The edges still touch the gas tank, but its that vertical movement/vibrations that I think is causing the damage.
Admittedly, the seat becomes a bit harder to put on. In fact the first time I did it, I didn't think it was going to work. It seems to be a bit easier now, but it's still a bit of a process to get the seat back onto the bike. I have additionally applied grease to the seat lips on the seat and the gas tank as well as the metal crossbar that the rubber grommets sit on. This seem to have made it a tiny bit easier to get the seat back on when I take it off, but it's still a pain. I might not have done it if say we had storage under the seat and I removed the seat often. This is a worthwhile endeavor if you plan on leaving the seat on except for maintenance.
This is what the bottom of my Comfort Seat looks like: 2 pairs of the larger rubber spacers, 2 pairs of the smaller rubber spacers.
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Post by gunnar on Sept 13, 2019 17:07:08 GMT -7
I did this mod today...thank you RedandBlack for an easy fix. Seat is tight and front corners barely touch at all. I used a rubber cement to hold them in, when I took the seat off, one of the small bumpers was lying in the subframe behind the tank.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Sept 14, 2019 21:00:52 GMT -7
I did this mod today...thank you RedandBlack for an easy fix. Seat is tight and front corners barely touch at all. I used a rubber cement to hold them in, when I took the seat off, one of the small bumpers was lying in the subframe behind the tank. I think I had the same issue but I apparently didn't push the bumpers in enough.
Either way, hope it works for you like it seems to be working for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 13:04:54 GMT -7
I know this post is a bit dated. The problem with the MT10 comfort seat is the material they use to cover it, is basically crap. The fix for me was , where it is damaged from the ends poking through the material, round them of a little and re-cover the seat with a good quality vinyl. I had both MT10 comfort seats re-covered in a basket weave breathable fabric by this guy custommotorcycleseats.com.au/![]()  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 12:21:49 GMT -7
I actually like the comfort seat material a lot. The problem is the fit. If you don't do anything to avoid the vertical seat movement, you'd eat thru any seat material IMO. My seat still looks like new in and out, looks great, and feels great too.
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Post by mrcdharwood on Jul 12, 2020 0:06:18 GMT -7
The OP is great idea and find. Before I saw this had already sorted my stock seat by recovering it and while the cover was off trimmed down and rounded the points at the corners.  |
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Post by parthz8 on May 15, 2021 8:54:31 GMT -7
Hi RedAndBlack- As per instructions, I installed both taller rubber spacer from old seat to comfort seat on front most slot of comfort seat, but i am not able to latch/lock comfort seat in place (as shown in below picture)... Than i removed small rubber spacer from Old Seat and installed them on front most slot of comfort seat instead of taller spacer (as shown in below second picture). With smaller rubber spacer, i was able to latch/lock comfort seat in place. Still i can see spot where seat is touch or in contact with tank (as shown in below third and fourth picture). Will this work and avoid damage to Comfort Seat? Can you shed more light or give information how you were able to fit comfort seat with taller rubber spacers on front most slot of comfort seat and still able to latch/lock the seat? (If smaller rubber spacer on front slot is of no use...)     |
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Post by RedAndBlack on May 18, 2021 8:11:41 GMT -7
Hey bud, sorry for the slow response. It was a MASSIVE pain in the ass to get the comfort seat on for the first time. You have to like tilt the front of the seat forward to catch the "lips" while ensuring the rubber grommets are on top of the crossbar they rest on, while trying to make sure the latches towards the rear of the seat catch. It is not easy, and was pretty hard to do that first time I attempted it. I just about gave up and figured it wouldn't work but I eventually did get it. I don't know if I wound up bending the metal lip up from the force I used or the rubber grommets just needed to spend some time compressed but it seems to be a bit easier now. Every now and then I'll have an issue getting the seat back on since I'll pull my battery when I don't ride for long periods and I'll leave the seat off. I have applied grease to both the lips (on the seat and on the bike) as well as on that metal cross plate that rubber grommets sit on and that usually helps if I have a tough time reinstalling the seat. And yes it's normal that the seat will still touch the tank/tank cover. It is my theory that it is not the touching that causes the tearing. It is the play in the seat that allows the edges to move up and down the tank/tank cover which is what causes the wear. By putting in the larger rubber grommet, you eliminate the up/down play in the seat and the seat just rests against the tank instead of constantly rubbing up and down on it. This is definitely a worthwhile endeavor if you're somebody that leaves the seat on all the time as I have had absolutely no additional wearing on the seat. But was not easy to accomplish. Hopefully it works out. Let me know if I didn't explain anything right. |
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Post by parthz8 on May 18, 2021 13:53:40 GMT -7
Hey bud, sorry for the slow response. It was a MASSIVE pain in the ass to get the comfort seat on for the first time. You have to like tilt the front of the seat forward to catch the "lips" while ensuring the rubber grommets are on top of the crossbar they rest on, while trying to make sure the latches towards the rear of the seat catch. It is not easy, and was pretty hard to do that first time I attempted it. I just about gave up and figured it wouldn't work but I eventually did get it. I don't know if I wound up bending the metal lip up from the force I used or the rubber grommets just needed to spend some time compressed but it seems to be a bit easier now. Every now and then I'll have an issue getting the seat back on since I'll pull my battery when I don't ride for long periods and I'll leave the seat off. I have applied grease to both the lips (on the seat and on the bike) as well as on that metal cross plate that rubber grommets sit on and that usually helps if I have a tough time reinstalling the seat. And yes it's normal that the seat will still touch the tank/tank cover. It is my theory that it is not the touching that causes the tearing. It is the play in the seat that allows the edges to move up and down the tank/tank cover which is what causes the wear. By putting in the larger rubber grommet, you eliminate the up/down play in the seat and the seat just rests against the tank instead of constantly rubbing up and down on it. This is definitely a worthwhile endeavor if you're somebody that leaves the seat on all the time as I have had absolutely no additional wearing on the seat. But was not easy to accomplish. Hopefully it works out. Let me know if I didn't explain anything right. Sir, thanks! I got it (very good explanation). For now i am monitoring the seat with smaller rubber grommet installed on Comfort Seat. I will change them out again to taller ones once i finish with R1M tuning project....(Summer is soon in Middle East, Bikes will be parked in garage for couple of months anyways...  ) |
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