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Post by mtate on Apr 29, 2019 12:53:35 GMT -7
Looking at visiting the tail of the dragon sometime in June, maybe late May and I'm just wondering if anyone ever has any problems with cops in the area. Are the cops fairly lenient towards motorcyclist? I honestly never run a plate and was wondering if I should put it on before I visit to avoid any unwanted confrontation with authorities.
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Post by 3lseeker on Apr 29, 2019 15:09:04 GMT -7
I don't know how lenient the cops are, but I do know that TN and NC HWY Patrol take turns patrolling the Dragon. Because of the fatalities there every year, I would think they give out a lot of tickets, especially if you don't have a plate! It is also heavily congested in the Summer months. I would suggest going on weekdays in the morning to avoid everyone. I live close by, but very rarely ride past Foothills Parkway to avoid the traffic. Lookup the "Devils Triangle" in Petros, TN around the Brushy Mountain Prison, it is very similar riding to the Dragon and much less traffic.
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Post by achrista on Apr 29, 2019 18:19:04 GMT -7
If you haven't been before, also check out the cherohala. It's much faster, longer, more scenic, and imo much more enjoyable than the dragon. It might be part of the triangle cited above.
I didn't see cops when I went last year (Monday midday) but it was way too crowded for me to enjoy it.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Apr 29, 2019 21:40:15 GMT -7
I imagine it's not much different than our scenic roads out here. There's typically no leniency towards riders, even from bike cops. In fact, with the amount of fatalities and severe injuries they have to witness almost on a weekly basis on some of these roads, they develop a grudge against riders that ride wrecklessly.
I imagine though, never have ridden the road, you'd probably be taking it easier than normal and wouldn't be the target of most cops on such a high traffic road.
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Post by mtneer on Apr 30, 2019 1:55:57 GMT -7
I have never been there but, weekends are when it is patrolled heavily, going midweek is the best option to avoid a large police presence, I would make sure my bike is legal before going, it is a great road according to folks who have ridden it, it was pure nirvana before it got famous from Internet hype. There will be lots of riders of varying skill levels on it, watch for cars and bike going left of center, also there is no cell service there so if you crash, it takes awhile for help, According to folks who are local and frequent another forum there are many great roads in the area with less traffic and police presence. Remember you’re on the street and not a racetrack, ride with some reserve for the unexpected.
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Post by mtate on Apr 30, 2019 4:26:43 GMT -7
I appreciate the responses, I most definitely would take it pretty easy considering I have never been to the tail but I do like a spirited ride. I'm still wanting to visit sometime soon just to say I've been through it, but I'm also looking at other rides that are only a few hours away from me. Cherohala is definitely a place that is on my list achrista. I'll have to look into the Devil's Triangle though, thanks 3lseeker.
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Post by tier1 on Apr 30, 2019 12:16:53 GMT -7
Im looking to take my first trip to the dragon around that timeframe as well. Just waiting on a good weather report really, they are calling for a good amount of rain over the next few weeks.
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Post by jjjjjjay on May 2, 2019 3:57:38 GMT -7
Great topic. Dragon has to be experienced! It ties my brain in knots, sometimes in good ways... Havent gone often enough, but able to learn and appreciate the road a bit. A lot of distractions everywhere, plenty of risks, and one glorious road. From racers to long lines of slow moving bikes and cars... And for this topic, seems like possibly more police presence these days. It used to be that more or less they seemed to sit in higher speed spots... Which could be scouted and noted. But recently feels like they roam more.... Doesnt seem fair...haha! Anyway
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Post by clayton on May 2, 2019 5:41:26 GMT -7
Last July I rode the dragon and there was a patrol car parked in a driveway bout half way down. My guess He must have been shooting the radar and then would radio to his partner that was on a bmw patrol bike up ahead to give him heads up. So be careful!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 14:36:08 GMT -7
I wanted to some day visit the 'dragon', but doesn't sound like it'd be safe (for both body/bike and license) nor fun anymore. I don't ride like a madman, but I ride for the twisties, so although safely, I'd certainly be breaking the speed limit on the curves. And if slower traffic were to hamper my efforts, being RVs or bicycles, like you're reportedly bound to find even on weekday mornings, it'd be a total waste of time and money. And I live well over 2K miles away, so guess will never go there. Ha ha. Plenty of awesome roads much closer to home. Need to hit CO again, and UT for the first time on a bike as well. Northern NM has some awesome roads I'd like to hit again, en route to CO. Having said that, a cousin from Miami invited me later this year to his house in Traverse City, MI, where there're reportedly great roads as well. The only reason I'm going is he has a very nicely set-up SV650 waiting for me, so I'd just fly up there. And before the east coast, I'd hit the west coast first, so might never make it to the dragon. Ha ha.
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Post by superspirit on May 2, 2019 14:55:53 GMT -7
I wanted to some day visit the 'dragon', but doesn't sound like it'd be safe (for both body/bike and license) nor fun anymore. I don't ride like a madman, but I ride for the twisties, so although safely, I'd certainly be breaking the speed limit on the curves. And if slower traffic were to hamper my efforts, being RVs or bicycles, like you're reportedly bound to find even on weekday mornings, it'd be a total waste of time and money. And I live well over 2K miles away, so guess will never go there. Ha ha. Plenty of awesome roads much closer to home. Need to hit CO again, and UT for the first time on a bike as well. Northern NM has some awesome roads I'd like to hit again, en route to CO. Having said that, a cousin from Miami invited me later this year to his house in Traverse City, MI, where there're reportedly great roads as well. The only reason I'm going is he has a very nicely set-up SV650 waiting for me, so I'd just fly up there. And before the east coast, I'd hit the west coast first, so might never make it to the dragon. Ha ha. You've got some really good twisties pretty close to you over in Cloudcroft, NM. Those are some of my favorites in this area. Maybe we should meet up and ride over there. I too will never make it to the tail off the dragon. My back would never let me ride that far again.
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Post by dndfindley on May 9, 2019 20:36:16 GMT -7
Last July I rode the dragon and there was a patrol car parked in a driveway bout half way down. My guess He must have been shooting the radar and then would radio to his partner that was on a bmw patrol bike up ahead to give him heads up. So be careful! I don't know where you were riding but it wasn't the Dragon because there are no "driveways" on the Dragon, not for a residence at least. There are no homes there.
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Post by dndfindley on May 9, 2019 21:00:37 GMT -7
Looking at visiting the tail of the dragon sometime in June, maybe late May and I'm just wondering if anyone ever has any problems with cops in the area. Are the cops fairly lenient towards motorcyclist? I honestly never run a plate and was wondering if I should put it on before I visit to avoid any unwanted confrontation with authorities. I live about 30 minutes from the base of the Dragon which is Tabcat Bridge on the Tennessee side. BTW most of the Dragon is in Tennessee. Only a mile or so is in North Carolina which is also where Deal's Gap is located. I ride it often. People will tell you it's all hype and that the road is no big deal. Don't listen to them. The Dragon will lull you into thinking it is just another twisty road. It's not. It got it's reputation from the many accidents that happen there. It averages about 2 deaths a year with many more injuries. That being said don't let that keep you away. It is an experience that you should do a few times. Simply take it easy; do NOT sightsee; keep your eyes on the road at ALL times; when rounding very sharp blind curves (there are a lot of them) do NOT look at oncoming traffic. Ride at your own pace. Do not feel pressured to keep up with the bike in front of you or to go faster because someone is on your tail. Anytime faster traffic comes up behind you whether it be a bike or a car look for one of the many paved pull off areas and when you feel you can safely do so - pull over and allow the traffic to pass. As to law enforcement - there are no times to expect them as they set up at random times. Weekends during the summer they can be expected. However just a couple of weeks ago I rode up mid morning on a Saturday which was sunny and warm and I didn't see a single cop. The Blount County Sheriff's Dept will sometimes give you a warning but not always. A Tennessee State Trooper will not. They are not friendly and are intent on padding their resumes and adding revenue to the state's coffer's. Just my humble opinion. Look for oncoming riders to give you the "head tap" which is a warning that cops are ahead. Be sure to do it yourself if you see Johnny Law. It will save someone a ticket. Most sport and sport touring riders will do this for you but the cruiser guys, Harley's mostly, usually will not. There are exceptions of course. Once at Deal's Gap stop in and take a break. Get a cold drink and walk around. You will see bikes from all over the nation and you will meet many interesting people - some from other countries. The Dragon is mecca for motorcyclists. Once you have finished your break at the Gap there are many other areas and roads to explore. The Cherohala Skyway is for sure one of them and it is not that far from Deal's Gap.
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Post by clayton on May 13, 2019 8:33:47 GMT -7
Last July I rode the dragon and there was a patrol car parked in a driveway bout half way down. My guess He must have been shooting the radar and then would radio to his partner that was on a bmw patrol bike up ahead to give him heads up. So be careful! I don't know where you were riding but it wasn't the Dragon because there are no "driveways" on the Dragon, not for a residence at least. There are no homes there. Yes it was on the dragon and no there are no houses on the dragon. I’ve riding it many of times over the last 4 years. When you leave deals gap there was a cop car backed into a spot a couple miles down on the left side of the road.
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Post by dndfindley on May 13, 2019 19:44:30 GMT -7
I don't know where you were riding but it wasn't the Dragon because there are no "driveways" on the Dragon, not for a residence at least. There are no homes there. Yes it was on the dragon and no there are no houses on the dragon. I’ve riding it many of times over the last 4 years. When you leave deals gap there was a cop car backed into a spot a couple miles down on the left side of the road. I know I'm getting kind of technical here but for there to be a driveway there must be something there that needs a driveway. There are numerous paved pull off's along the Dragon and there is a gravel road that comes in from Cade's Cove in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park (Parson's Branch) but it is one way from the park only and has signs to that effect. No doubt you saw a cop set up off the side of the roadway running radar, but he was not in a "driveway." I know - I should not even have replied since this is such a minor issue but that's just me.
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Post by guitarian on Jun 3, 2019 4:21:09 GMT -7
You will see bikes from all over the nation and you will meet many interesting people - some from other countries. The Dragon is mecca for motorcyclists. Once you have finished your break at the Gap there are many other areas and roads to explore. The Cherohala Skyway is for sure one of them and it is not that far from Deal's Gap. Be sure to head to Fontana on 28. You will enjoy that ride. It intersects conveniently with 129 at Deals Gap. You're welcome.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 17:46:09 GMT -7
Hey gang, a cousin from Miamii with several bikes and a trailer invited me to go to that area, so it looks like I might make it after all. Ha ha. I'll fly to Miami and we'll drive to Deals Gap/Asheville (2 days each way), and ride that area from Mon (Sep 16) to Thursday (Sep 19). If somebody familiar with that area has nothing better to do and want to help , I'd like suggestions of a 'central' place to stay where it's safe (and has the space) for trailer and tow vehicle, and which roads to hit on those 4 days. Asheville is only close to the Blue Ridge Parkway (not mentioned here yet), so maybe the Deals Gap Resort makes more sense... unless there was a central place with good food around. The most recommended places I found are: Blue Ridge Parkway, Deal's gap/the dragon, Cherohala Skyway, plus these 3 unknown to me: Black Mountain Rag to Chimney Rock, The DiamondBack, and Copperhead Loop. Don't know if we'd be able to ride them all in 4 days, or if something better can substitute some of those. I'm open to suggestions which roads you (who know the area) would ride those 4 days, whether they're mentioned above or not (I just found them on the internet). Since we both want to stay in just one location, it'd limit how much we can ride, but feel free to suggest staying locations too . And as far as riding, it's hard to state mileage without knowing the place, but we don't want to push it too much, so maybe 250 miles a day max. Thx.
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Post by clayton on Jun 13, 2019 20:19:34 GMT -7
Hey gang, a cousin from Miamii with several bikes and a trailer invited me to go to that area, so it looks like I might make it after all. Ha ha. I'll fly to Miami and we'll drive to Deals Gap/Asheville (2 days each way), and ride that area from Mon (Sep 16) to Thursday (Sep 19). If somebody familiar with that area has nothing better to do and want to help , I'd like suggestions of a 'central' place to stay where it's safe (and has the space) for trailer and tow vehicle, and which roads to hit on those 4 days. Asheville is only close to the Blue Ridge Parkway (not mentioned here yet), so maybe the Deals Gap Resort makes more sense... unless there was a central place with good food around. The most recommended places I found are: Blue Ridge Parkway, Deal's gap/the dragon, Cherohala Skyway, plus these 3 unknown to me: Black Mountain Rag to Chimney Rock, The DiamondBack, and Copperhead Loop. Don't know if we'd be able to ride them all in 4 days, or if something better can substitute some of those. I'm open to suggestions which roads you (who know the area) would ride those 4 days, whether they're mentioned above or not (I just found them on the internet). Since we both want to stay in just one location, it'd limit how much we can ride, but feel free to suggest staying locations too . And as far as riding, it's hard to state mileage without knowing the place, but we don't want to push it too much, so maybe 250 miles a day max. Thx. I recommend staying in Maggie Valley N.C. I have been staying at the best western and riding there the last week of July the past 4 years. 4000 miles of mapped out motorcycle rides from Maggie Valley? My friend put together www.maggievalleyrides.com/index.html Check it out! He has all the rides mapped out already for you. You can print out the maps or download them to your phone or gps. All rides start and end back in Maggie Valley
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 22:45:37 GMT -7
Hey Dayton, thanks a million for that help. Will scrutinize that site tomorrow, but looks awesome, and exactly the cenral location we were looking for. But there're a lot more rides than we can cover in 4 days. We could maybe stretch it to 5, until Friday, depending how we feel staminawise. So which ones would you ride if it was your first (and only) time there, in order of preference? I ask because that will be my only time there; hope you don't mind that extra help. Thanks again brother. Have a great weekend gang.
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Post by clayton on Jun 15, 2019 11:35:50 GMT -7
1 Cherohala Skyway Loop includes the the dragon. Do it on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday since the dragon is so crowded Thursday - Sunday. We always stop at the lookout area on the dragon turn around and run it back to deals gap and then re run it and continue on to the skyway. 2 wolf mountain. 3 ThunderRoad. 4 moonshiner 28. 5 The Rattler. A lot of the shorter runs you can do a couple a day. So many to choose from. I like them all pretty much. I love getting on the blue ridge parkway which is just few miles out of Maggie Valley which has a lot of tunnels. I recommend staying as many days as possible.
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