mistico
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Post by mistico on Aug 3, 2020 8:48:41 GMT -7
Again, as an example, there was recently a WSBK team that was penalised for running the rear tyre too low in order to obtain more grip, so it’s not just me making it up, full race teams do the same, and again I use track as an example only that lower rear pressures provide greater grip. I believe this is done for safety, not because it offers an advantage. Too low pressures will cause the tire to overheat and start falling apart at race pace.
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Post by Paul Wilson 75 on Aug 15, 2020 12:45:20 GMT -7
These settings are EXACTLY the same as those dialled in on BJ's long term loan MT10 by James at JHS Racing in Bristol for Fast Bikes mag. The second person I have read in the last two weeks to confirm they make a heck of a difference. I'll have to dial mine in once the weather in the UK picks up. Truth be told, I got the settings from that video and wanted to use them as a base setting. However I avoided using their sag settings as setting static sag alone is a waste of time, seeing as the bike can’t ride itself. Static sag is only of any use to determine of spring rates are correct once rider sag is set. Since then I’ve realised the main thing I felt originally was the added weight on the front from sag being correctly set making the bike feel better. However the compression and rebound on the front were way off and didn’t work with the rear settings. They with too stiff and when hit with a gust of wind the bike would go into a mini tank slapper. When bouncing the suspension by hand after getting it warmed up on a run I could feel the rear rebound and compression was pretty good, but the front was way over damped and was too slow. Even when trying to bounce the whole bike the rear would move and the front would pretty much stay still, far too stiff. I’ve gone on to make changes to the fork rebound and compression. The bike no longer goes into mini tank slippers when hit by a side wind and the full bike bounces up and down simultaneously front & rear. I’ll keep tweaking here and there, as ultimately when it gets hotter ambient temps and the oil thins out I’ll need to add back some compression & rebound dampening. Oh, and I’ve also dropped a psi front & rear just to help generate a little more heat on these colder days. At the moment my settings are as follows... Front ForksRider Sag: 28mm Static Sag: 18mm (stock springs are too stiff for my weight) Compression: 15 clicks out Rebound: 7 clicks out Tyre Pressure: 35 psi Rear ShockRider Sag: 30mm Static Sag: 8mm High Speed Compression: 2.5 turns out Low Speed Compression: 7 clicks out Rebound: 4 clicks out Tyre Pressure: 33 psi Can you remember how many turns on your preload
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khanartist
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Post by khanartist on Aug 15, 2020 22:25:07 GMT -7
im interested in doing some suspension work. need a good guy in norcal though, or cen cal whatever you want to call it. bay area to the valley.
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Post by sdshawn on Apr 4, 2021 8:22:27 GMT -7
These settings are EXACTLY the same as those dialled in on BJ's long term loan MT10 by James at JHS Racing in Bristol for Fast Bikes mag. The second person I have read in the last two weeks to confirm they make a heck of a difference. I'll have to dial mine in once the weather in the UK picks up. Truth be told, I got the settings from that video and wanted to use them as a base setting. However I avoided using their sag settings as setting static sag alone is a waste of time, seeing as the bike can’t ride itself. Static sag is only of any use to determine of spring rates are correct once rider sag is set. Since then I’ve realised the main thing I felt originally was the added weight on the front from sag being correctly set making the bike feel better. However the compression and rebound on the front were way off and didn’t work with the rear settings. They with too stiff and when hit with a gust of wind the bike would go into a mini tank slapper. When bouncing the suspension by hand after getting it warmed up on a run I could feel the rear rebound and compression was pretty good, but the front was way over damped and was too slow. Even when trying to bounce the whole bike the rear would move and the front would pretty much stay still, far too stiff. I’ve gone on to make changes to the fork rebound and compression. The bike no longer goes into mini tank slippers when hit by a side wind and the full bike bounces up and down simultaneously front & rear. I’ll keep tweaking here and there, as ultimately when it gets hotter ambient temps and the oil thins out I’ll need to add back some compression & rebound dampening. Oh, and I’ve also dropped a psi front & rear just to help generate a little more heat on these colder days. At the moment my settings are as follows... Front ForksRider Sag: 28mm Static Sag: 18mm (stock springs are too stiff for my weight) Compression: 15 clicks out Rebound: 7 clicks out Tyre Pressure: 35 psi Rear ShockRider Sag: 30mm Static Sag: 8mm High Speed Compression: 2.5 turns out Low Speed Compression: 7 clicks out Rebound: 4 clicks out Tyre Pressure: 33 psi I like this set up way better now .
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Post by sdshawn on Apr 4, 2021 8:30:58 GMT -7
I tried this setup from Mario it made a huge difference compared to where it was . The tire pressure is stock now minor tweaks from here .
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phanomenal10
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Post by phanomenal10 on Jun 7, 2021 9:53:04 GMT -7
So I actual did remote tuning with Dave moss and these are the current he has me using. I’m 5,9 a little over 180 with gear
Forks at line 3 (2 line drop from stock) 6 turn preload clock wise (from maxes out) 5 clicks compression clockwise from maxed out 1 click rebound clockwise from maxed out
Shock preload is at 2 turns counter clockwise from stock 2 turn counter clockwise high speed comp 12 clicks counter clockwise on compression 10 click counter clockwise on rebound.
As you can see some of these settings are drastically different from what was on the bike stock and even a little different from the initial setting he gave me but the bike handles spectacularly. We are still dialing in the settings however. I’m bottoming out the forks when riding at pace and doing wheelies so he has me turning the preload on little by little til it stops. He told me not to dial more compression in until I run out of preload. Also when riding the bike really hard I can feel the rear of the motorcycle over steering a bit. I haven’t relayed that feedback to him yet but I’m curious to see what he will say about it.
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redlinez
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Post by redlinez on Jun 7, 2021 13:43:58 GMT -7
If anyone knows someone in the Raleigh NC area who can set my bike up, let me know!!!
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mclovin
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Post by mclovin on Jun 7, 2021 14:44:37 GMT -7
If anyone knows someone in the Raleigh NC area who can set my bike up, let me know!!! Fast Bike Industries. He is the US importer for Nitron, Andreani and Ohlins. Contrary to what you hear, you will never get a bike that is incorrectly sprung for your weight to work. Ask for Dave. I have no interest in promoting them but I bought Ohlins cartridges from him and he knows his stuff.
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rsh
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Post by rsh on Jun 7, 2021 15:06:23 GMT -7
Phenomanon10
I had my FZ 10 suspension setup done by Dave Moss quite awhile ago. Your compression and rebound values look very strange, the fork settings look like they wouldn't let the forks move and the rear settings look almost like standard settings except for the high speed compression and the slight reduction in rear preload. I know Dave also suggests sliding the forks up in the triple clamps, I did that as well and have since reverted back to the stock nominal position, I felt I was using too much tire for the speeds I was going. In your cas It's almost like the settings you've posted are swapped. Just seems odd.
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rsh
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Post by rsh on Jun 7, 2021 16:05:24 GMT -7
I'm probably reading the values incorrectly, if the forks compression is set 5 clicks in from all the way out (minimum value) and the fork rebound is set at 1 click in from all the way out (minimum value) that would make more sense, that is how Dave would setup the forks on the 2015+ R1 forks in his videos. What was throwing me off is your maxed out terminology. Bottom line, If it works for you, that's what matters.
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phanomenal10
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Post by phanomenal10 on Jun 8, 2021 0:11:20 GMT -7
I'm probably reading the values incorrectly, if the forks compression is set 5 clicks in from all the way out (minimum value) and the fork rebound is set at 1 click in from all the way out (minimum value) that would make more sense, that is how Dave would setup the forks on the 2015+ R1 forks in his videos. What was throwing me off is your maxed out terminology. Bottom line, If it works for you, that's what matters. Sorry for the confusion. Yes I meant maxed out as in minimum settings and turning clockwise for my forks. So rebound is set to 1 click clockwise from minimum settings
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redlinez
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Post by redlinez on Jun 8, 2021 6:17:39 GMT -7
If anyone knows someone in the Raleigh NC area who can set my bike up, let me know!!! Fast Bike Industries. He is the US importer for Nitron, Andreani and Ohlins. Contrary to what you hear, you will never get a bike that is incorrectly sprung for your weight to work. Ask for Dave. I have no interest in promoting them but I bought Ohlins cartridges from him and he knows his stuff Thanks, he's about 4 hours from me, but I emailed him anyway to see if Saturdays are a possibility.
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angrypenguin
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Post by angrypenguin on Jul 3, 2021 8:59:42 GMT -7
Great thread. Used the settings in the OP for a base line, but found the forks too stiff for my riding style. The rear was pretty close.
Right now I am at
FORKS Rebound 7 out Comp 9 out Tire 34
Rear Rebound 5 out HS Comp 3 Turns out LS Comp 8 out Tire 36
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Post by slipwrist on Aug 29, 2022 21:15:47 GMT -7
Honestly, I find Dave Moss rather confusing and vague. I find myself watching his videos thinking ok ok, get on with it. I just turn him on like 1.5 or 2.0 speed like I do with a lot of content.
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Post by mt10orc on Aug 31, 2022 22:26:06 GMT -7
Haven’t played with this on my bike yet. Will probably do something with it since I’m 205 lbs and the stock setup is for 185lbs if memory serves me. To be honest not really sure what to expect as I feel the bike handles pretty dam good with stock setup. Early in the season I was 10lbs heavier. Guess laying off the IPA’s is a good thing.
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Post by hooli on Sept 15, 2022 8:43:25 GMT -7
Honestly, I find Dave Moss rather confusing and vague. I find myself watching his videos thinking ok ok, get on with it. I just turn him on like 1.5 or 2.0 speed like I do with a lot of content. Maybe it's just you...
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ataramsy
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Post by ataramsy on Nov 28, 2022 1:31:10 GMT -7
Hi; i am 173 cm 85 kg , i feel my 2019 Mt10 very stiffy because i have much of bumpy surfaces in my country roads,and also because i compare with my old motorcycle hornet 600 which is has very soft suspension, on bumpy i feel the handlebar vibrate too much which i must catch very strongly with my hands to control the bike even in low speeds , My Current settings is standard, any suggestions for better setup , Thanks 🙏
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 7:56:01 GMT -7
As I double duty my FZ-10 as street and track bike I've come to realize how much I wish the bike had electronic adjustable suspension.
Originally the bike was very comfy on the road and soaked up most major bumps. But at the track the nose dove to hard and the rear was unstable during hard cornering.
So I had it setup by the suspension pro at the track.
Now its perfect on the track but on the streets is harsh as crap!
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