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Post by lastwish on Oct 31, 2018 12:06:51 GMT -7
I want brakes. Real brakes. More than what just swapping in sintered pads gives, I had that for over a year in my last FZ10.
Stainless lines are a must, I'm keeping ABS intact too.
Going to swap in the R1 master cylinder, but which brembo calipers will fit? For example I found a used set from a diavel on ebay for $400. I'm not finding much info on fitment anywhere. I haven't asked brembo themselves yet because I'm betting it would take a while for them to get back to me ( great logic, right?)
The R1 calipers fit and do have different internals but I want brembos. Perhaps I could inquire on the R1 forums?
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Post by srosa on Oct 31, 2018 12:19:51 GMT -7
You need 108mm bolt spacing on Brembo calipers for your Yamaha. Forget the Diavel calipers. They won’t fit as they are likely 100mm like most European motorcycles.
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Post by lastwish on Oct 31, 2018 12:40:20 GMT -7
What about brake rotor dimensions? Will there be an issue there?
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Post by RedAndBlack on Oct 31, 2018 14:16:40 GMT -7
Brembo dealers are usually super helpful. I've used RidersDiscount before. Along with their cheap prices, they have been excellent answering these types of questions for me. And if they can't, they have that direct line with Brembo.
I did brake upgrade to include R1 Master, steel lines, and SBS track pads. I ride aggressive and track and I don't see the cost benefit that calipers would add for anything below racing application. Really the only thing I'd might change is to get the Brembo master instead for the adjustment knob that comes on the Brembo to be able to adjust the braking force on the fly for street vs track. I mean its your bike, do what you think is best. Might even want to consider getting the R1M calipers which I believe are better instead of the Brembo splurge.
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Post by lastwish on Nov 2, 2018 9:13:24 GMT -7
Okay so I just got an R1 master. It's coming in the mail.
Stainless lines are next, then getting some mire ebc hh pads. Hopefully that'll give me the power I'm wanting.
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Post by lastwish on Jan 18, 2019 7:19:34 GMT -7
Ok so I've had the R1 master, stoltech's ABS stainless line kit ( galfner if I recall ) and ebc hh pads for about a month now. Great initial bite, good feedback but about halfway through the bite force plateaus and requires a lot of squeeze at the lever to get more stopping power. I want more. I want to have the ability to lock up the front at anytime. I'm questioning my bleed, I've bled brakes many times and I know to bleed each junction point, and the tricky spots like some low hanging rear calipers. I'm certain I got all this but the lever still doesn't have that crisp, distinctly good bleed feel. It currently feels kinda like it does with the rubber lines and stock MC.
The calipers for the R1, R1S, R1m and fz10 and a handful of other models all have the same front caliper design. Technically monoblock, but differences being material they're made of. R1M having the best ( alloy pots rather than steel, etc and maybe magnesium caliper block, something like that.)
I've never had a set of ebc hh's give this kind of performance, I'm convinced it's something else. Any suggestions?
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Post by exuptoy on Jan 18, 2019 8:41:36 GMT -7
I’d suggest pad compound. Most people who want the best go with Brembo SA (or maybe SC??) as the go to pad. I’ve gone with SBS but I’m not a huge braker or track day addict so maybe someone else can advise.
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Post by redgecko59 on Jan 18, 2019 15:09:13 GMT -7
Ok so I've had the R1 master, stoltech's ABS stainless line kit ( galfner if I recall ) and ebc hh pads for about a month now. Great initial bite, good feedback but about halfway through the bite force plateaus and requires a lot of squeeze at the lever to get more stopping power. I want more. I want to have the ability to lock up the front at anytime. I'm questioning my bleed, I've bled brakes many times and I know to bleed each junction point, and the tricky spots like some low hanging rear calipers. I'm certain I got all this but the lever still doesn't have that crisp, distinctly good bleed feel. Kinda like it does with the rubber lines and stock MC. The calipers for the R1, R1S, R1m and fz10 and a handful of other models all have the same front caliper design. Technically monoblock, but differences being material they're made of. R1M having the best ( alloy pots rather than steel, etc and maybe magnesium caliper block, something like that.) I've never had a set of ebc hh's give this kind of performance, I'm convinced it's something else. Any suggestions? Just as a matter of interest, regarding the bleed. have you tried tying the lever back to the bar overnight? You'll be surprised how much difference it can make.
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Post by lastwish on Jan 18, 2019 21:03:11 GMT -7
Btw I edited my last post for clarification. It currently has lever pressure feel like the stock setup does. As you'd feel while squeezing the the lever in at a standstill. Not talking about while moving braking feel.
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Post by lastwish on Jan 18, 2019 21:13:00 GMT -7
I've considered different pads but I'm stuck in my ways with ebc hh. It's a wierd logic I can't adequately elaborate. As for the lever strap I've done that once or twice in the past and I will try it, can't see the harm. Though logically what does accomplish, assuming there are no air bubblez. I'll crack the mc bleeder again to find out if anything has surfaced since the last bleed.
And technically, I suppose I can lock up at anytime ( ABS engages ) but it takes more lever pressure than I'd prefer. I sat on and squeezed an R1's lever and it feels very different ( insert explicit joke here ). That's why I'm not sure about pads. Do hard lines / stainless line combos have more ridged feel than all stainless line systems? I wouldn't think so. Maybe it is the bleed. Maybe I'm expecting a different level of performance than I should.
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Post by ghostrider1127 on Jan 19, 2019 3:37:23 GMT -7
Calipers for diavel or some euro shit (even newest kawasaki) will not work as they are 100 mm 30 offset , when we need 108 mm 26 offset get better pads , first of all. You bleed the circuit correctly ? Strap the lever for long time will just damage the seal in your master.
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Post by exuptoy on Jan 19, 2019 4:45:36 GMT -7
I've considered different pads but I'm stuck in my ways with ebc hh. It's a wierd logic I can't adequately elaborate. As for the lever strap I've done that once or twice in the past and I will try it, can't see the harm. Though logically what does accomplish, assuming there are no air bubblez. I'll crack the mc bleeder again to find out if anything has surfaced since the last bleed. And technically, I suppose I can lock up at anytime ( ABS engages ) but it takes more lever pressure than I'd prefer. I sat on and squeezed an R1's lever and it feels very different ( insert explicit joke here ). That's why I'm not sure about pads. Do hard lines / stainless line combos have more ridged feel than all stainless line systems? I wouldn't think so. Maybe it is the bleed. Maybe I'm expecting a different level of performance than I should. Post removed. Got the wrong end of the stick. Thought you had an R1 too so suggested swapping pads around.
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Post by lastwish on Jan 19, 2019 9:05:24 GMT -7
I think in the end it comes down to experimenting and first hand results.
Okay, performance aside and just for braggings rights, anyone know if a stock set of brembos like on some suzukis would fit?
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Post by redgecko59 on Jan 19, 2019 9:09:36 GMT -7
I think in the end it comes down to experimenting and first hand results. Okay, performance aside and just for braggings rights, anyone know if a stock set of brembos like on some suzukis would fit? Yes they should, it's common for Suzuki owners to upgrade OEM to the R1 calipers so the Brembos should go the other way.
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Post by ghostrider1127 on Jan 19, 2019 10:15:58 GMT -7
Not a direct swap , those brembo/suzuki M4 M32 need to be milled for use on the bike. If you ask about brake and performance no one better than me in this forum can answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 17:31:05 GMT -7
And technically, I suppose I can lock up at anytime ( ABS engages ) but it takes more lever pressure than I'd prefer. You're not supposed to be able to lock brakes easily; you'd have no modulation if that was the case. Brakes would basically be an on/off switch. Do you really want that? If you can lock them up with 2 fingers, that's exactly the way they should be. Can you? We're strictly talking about pressure needed for lock-up, not feel, linearity, etc. I personally find the stock brakes on my FZ-10 quite adequate for the streets, but they're obviously not intended for serious track duty. Good luck.
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Post by lastwish on Jan 27, 2019 10:23:29 GMT -7
And technically, I suppose I can lock up at anytime ( ABS engages ) but it takes more lever pressure than I'd prefer. You're not supposed to be able to lock brakes easily; you'd have no modulation if that was the case. Brakes would basically be an on/off switch. Do you really want that? If you can lock them up with 2 fingers, that's exactly the way they should be. Can you? We're strictly talking about pressure needed for lock-up, not feel, linearity, etc. I personally find the stock brakes on my FZ-10 quite adequate for the streets, but they're obviously not intended for serious track duty. Good luck.
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Post by hooli on Jan 28, 2019 11:01:59 GMT -7
It's common for Suzuki owners to upgrade OEM to the R1 calipers so the Brembos should go the other way.
I tried R1 calipers on my 2006 G1K for awhile. Keep in mind that the pistons are smaller than those on the stock Tokico calipers and will give a different feel. I eventually went back and switched over to Vesrah RJL pads.
IIRC our caliper pistons are the same size and those on the 2015+ R1's, they're just steel instead of aluminum.
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Post by ghostrider1127 on Jan 28, 2019 11:17:18 GMT -7
calipers are nto 100% the same btw , as the r1 -> 2015 units came with better tollerances.
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Post by hooli on Jan 28, 2019 11:33:36 GMT -7
And they're both made by Advics. We get the second-rate ones though lol.
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