revolvingrain
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Post by revolvingrain on Oct 13, 2018 20:55:42 GMT -7
So I've been trying to figure this out for days but can't; I installed a new clutch lever, have the right amount of slack but my cruise control won't engage. Light turns on but won't set. After looking around the forum the only culprit I can find is the kill switch tab but I have no idea what that is or how to fix it. Could someone please explain that to me? Thanks!
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Post by achrista on Oct 13, 2018 21:37:17 GMT -7
Who made the lever?
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Post by evitzee on Oct 13, 2018 21:48:01 GMT -7
There is a plunger switch (the kill switch) that is normally closed when the clutch lever is in its normal position, when the clutch lever is pulled the plunger is able to extend. Sounds like the tab on your lever isn't pushing the plunger in when the lever is closed so the cruise control circuit thinks the clutch lever is pulled which disengages the cruise control. Take a peak under the lever and see if the plunger is closed by the tab attached to the lever. There isn't much adjustment you can do, either the tab pushes the plunger in or it doesn't.  |
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Post by revolvingrain on Oct 14, 2018 5:38:42 GMT -7
Zeta Flight, great finish and went on no problem. |
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Post by revolvingrain on Oct 14, 2018 5:40:19 GMT -7
There is a plunger switch (the kill switch) that is normally closed when the clutch lever is in its normal position, when the clutch lever is pulled the plunger is able to extend. Sounds like the tab on your lever isn't pushing the plunger in when the lever is closed so the cruise control circuit thinks the clutch lever is pulled which disengages the cruise control. Take a peak under the lever and see if the plunger is closed by the tab attached to the lever. There isn't much adjustment you can do, either the tab pushes the plunger in or it doesn't. Thanks!! I'll give it a look when I get home; if that's the case then looks like I'll have to return that lever. |
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Post by revolvingrain on Oct 14, 2018 18:12:25 GMT -7
turns out my lever did have the tab in the package and so I promptly installed it. It fixed my quickshifter issue but not the cruise control. I'm guessing it's either not pushing it in enough or something else it throwing it off. I do hear the 2 clicks when i pull on the clutch.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Oct 14, 2018 23:14:56 GMT -7
There were issues with many brands when the bike first came out dealing with not correctly engaging the switches. Presumably it was because lefer makers were basing their designs off the R1 or the other MT/FZ bikes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:05:36 GMT -7
If you're hearing both 'clicks', it shouldn't be the lever then. But to completely eliminate it, tape or ziptie the switch (fully depressed) and go for a ride. If cruise works, then it's the lever. If it doesn't, it's the switch, or something related to the switch, like an internally broken wire (from pulling too hard, for instance), a blown fuse, etc. Good luck. By the way, I don't like how Evitzee's lever barely engages the switch. My Pazzo has an extension just like OEM (one piece, not bolted on); much cleaner look, and functional as stock. Haven't used the bike yet, but I can't see how it's not going to work, since it fits just like OEM, including not needing adjustment... but added a few clicks to reduce lever play to the minimum spec (5mm), to be able to use adjustment 5 instead of 6. Turns out the lever doesn't move enough on adjustmen 6 for the cam to sit perfectly against the lever, like on all other 5 adjustments. Notified Pazzo about that, but not a big deal at all. But the lever not sitting on the curved area extends the lever more than it should, and it's a bit too far away. It sits between the #5 and 6 peak, so it's only making contact with a razor sharp edge, rather than a solid surface, if that makes any sense. Other than that minor design issue, they're very well made. The brake lever is absolutely perfect. Basically no play; just the ultra minor play needed, and less than factory. The clutch has a bit more than factory, but not enough for even a thin washer. Don't know if it was intentional, but doubt it. Tightened the nut as much as I felt comfortable with (not very much), and that reduced the play to a very acceptable level. Barely more than factory. I'm quite anal, so used to nothing coming even close to my standards, but honestly, these levers are the best fitting ones I've owned, so happy with my purchase ($150 delivered). Oh, and only the brake lever has 'Pazzo Levers' on the inside of the lever, so very subtle. I blacked it out so it's even less conspicuous, just the way I like it. Have a great week ahead gang.
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Post by nemecham on Oct 23, 2018 19:52:34 GMT -7
I tried out a set of Ride It! Levers off of Amazon and had the same issue where I could turn on cruise control, but it wouldn’t engage. Sure enough, the tab that covers the plunger was a little to short to fully engage the plunger. I decided to take some pictures to compare stock tab coverage vs. some aftermarket. Unfortunately, I forgot to grab a pic of the Ride It! levers before I sent them back. It looks similar to what is pictured earlier in the thread and the MZS below. Stock:  Aftermarket: MZS (Amazon)  I would love a set of the pazzo or other high end levers, but am looking for a budget set that are comfortable and allows CC to work (for the moment anyways). The pic of the MZS was not off of my bike, so I don’t know how well they work in terms of cruise control. What cheapo levers have you guys tried that still allow CC to be engaged? Can someone take a pic of the extra tab that comes with some other sets? I’m wondering if I can cheaply fabricate something myself or if it would be better to just bite the bull it and drop $150 on the Pazzos. Let me know! |
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Post by mikem73 on Oct 24, 2018 18:14:09 GMT -7
I tried out a set of Ride It! Levers off of Amazon and had the same issue where I could turn on cruise control, but it wouldn’t engage. Sure enough, the tab that covers the plunger was a little to short to fully engage the plunger. I decided to take some pictures to compare stock tab coverage vs. some aftermarket. Unfortunately, I forgot to grab a pic of the Ride It! levers before I sent them back. It looks similar to what is pictured earlier in the thread and the MZS below. Stock: Aftermarket: MZS (Amazon) I would love a set of the pazzo or other high end levers, but am looking for a budget set that are comfortable and allows CC to work (for the moment anyways). The pic of the MZS was not off of my bike, so I don’t know how well they work in terms of cruise control. What cheapo levers have you guys tried that still allow CC to be engaged? Can someone take a pic of the extra tab that comes with some other sets? I’m wondering if I can cheaply fabricate something myself or if it would be better to just bite the bull it and drop $150 on the Pazzos. Let me know! . Get the Pazzos! |
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Post by dmitchek on Oct 27, 2020 6:26:12 GMT -7
I am having the same issue after installing the MZS levers, cruise light turns on but I am unable to set the cruise control. I didn't realize the switch has two positions, the MZS will engage the first switch but not all of the way (just like the photo). Looks like I will be switching back to my stock levers and saving up for the more expensive levers.
Thanks for the info!
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Post by mrcdharwood on Nov 9, 2020 13:36:01 GMT -7
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Post by jonny on Feb 15, 2023 17:56:04 GMT -7
I had a recent tip over and bent the clutch lever. I replaced it with an OEM lever from my local dealership. The engine shuts down immediately the minute I click into gear now. I've looked carefully as I know how and see the clutch arm is responding fully to my lever pull. The pin to the small box of electrics that is pushed by the lever moves in and out properly. If you would take a moment to respond, what have I missed? It appears a kill switch is involved because the response is immediate, not progressive no matter what I do.
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Post by mt10orc on Feb 15, 2023 23:41:20 GMT -7
I had a recent tip over and bent the clutch lever. I replaced it with an OEM lever from my local dealership. The engine shuts down immediately the minute I click into gear now. I've looked carefully as I know how and see the clutch arm is responding fully to my lever pull. The pin to the small box of electrics that is pushed by the lever moves in and out properly. If you would take a moment to respond, what have I missed? It appears a kill switch is involved because the response is immediate, not progressive no matter what I do. Sounds like your kickstand sensor is causing the issue though not sure if that is your issue. I know that I’ve tried to engage into 1st gear without having my kickstand up on numerous occasions and my bike shuts off. |
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Post by willl84 on Feb 16, 2023 9:19:10 GMT -7
I had a recent tip over and bent the clutch lever. I replaced it with an OEM lever from my local dealership. The engine shuts down immediately the minute I click into gear now. I've looked carefully as I know how and see the clutch arm is responding fully to my lever pull. The pin to the small box of electrics that is pushed by the lever moves in and out properly. If you would take a moment to respond, what have I missed? It appears a kill switch is involved because the response is immediate, not progressive no matter what I do. Sounds like your kickstand sensor is causing the issue though not sure if that is your issue. I know that I’ve tried to engage into 1st gear without having my kickstand up on numerous occasions and my bike shuts off. That's my guess too. If the kickstand switch is working properly then it's time to break out a multimeter and check resistances on both the clutch switch and the kickstand switch and make sure they're OK internally. |
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Post by jonny on Feb 16, 2023 17:34:13 GMT -7
Thanks for the feedback guys. Later that evening I got the bike up on a rear stand, started and engaged 1st gear. No engine kill now but wheel spins fully. Obviously the problem then is my new lever installation somehow affected the cable relationship to the arm at the other end. I'll play with cable adjustments both above and below and locate where the disengagement point needs to be. On another thread there was a suggestion to remove the cable arm and rotate its shaft forward then reinstall the arm in its proper position. I must say I am baffeled why just replacing the lever would affect the engagement point so profoundly. Playing with the cable tension wheel in either direction yielded no pleasure. With the rear stand now getting the wheel off the ground I should be able to figure this out. I will say that there seemed to be some unusual pivoting of the new lever as I pull it back toward the handlebar. It's as if the lever pivot hole was a bit eliptical or not perfectly round and not of a proper diameter. I have had it off a number of times, lubricated the cable and made sure the indexed lever retaining bolt set is within its slot. So again, this is more an update than a cry for help this time and I am grateful for your ideas. I was a finish carpenter and sometime handyman in the past with many bikes but handling pretty much only tire and oil changes, chain clean and lube.
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