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Post by achrista on Oct 3, 2018 13:10:08 GMT -7
So I did some quick searching and this question has been asked in a few different topics but I haven't found any definitive answer on this. Are you all following the US service intervals prescribed in our manuals (every 4k miles) or are you following the EU intervals of 6k miles found in the manual available on this site?
I'm at 4888 and I was planning on doing the next service at 6k or when it starts getting too cold to ride frequently, but I'm wondering what everyone else thinks about this.
I find it hard to believe that the engines need to be serviced 50% more frequently simply because they're in the US, and I'm wondering why yamaha did this.
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Post by evitzee on Oct 3, 2018 15:26:13 GMT -7
Yamaha USA did it because they did it, you won't find a definitive answer as to why the service intervals are shorter on USA sold vehicles. Part of it is history, Americans have often been sold unnecessary services like the old 'change your car oil every 3,000 miles' routine. It was wasteful and unnecessary but it was a marketing success by the OIL INDUSTRY who sold tons of new oil over the years. Now cars can go 10,000 to 15,000 miles between oil changes due to better tolerances and better oils, but the lube joints still want you in a lot more often. Why?.....to sell you more oil. If I was a cynic **cough cough** I would say it is a sop by Yamaha USA to the dealers so they can get owners in the door to sell them more services because 'the manual calls for it'. I follow the Euro specs which are longer for oil/filter and spark plug changes (in fact I will ride until the plugs actually need changing which is way longer than 12,000 Euro spec miles). Your choice.
Another thing is the USA models call for distance as well as a time duration......so you are supposed to replace your oil every 4,000 miles or SIX months, Euro specs don't state time duration. And the silly one is REPLACE Spark Plugs every 8,000 miles or every 12 MONTHS. Changing your plugs every year regardless of miles ridden is just plain dumb and unnecessary, spark plugs don't wear out sitting in your bike. Access to the plugs is not a simple affair on the FZ-10 and replacing them every year if you only ride 3,000 miles is a waste of time and effort, but a good gig for your local Yamaha dealer who will probably charge you up to $200 with materials and labor. Completely unnecessary. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 15:51:59 GMT -7
Where exactly can I find the oil change interval? Don't remember seeing it in the owner's manual. But one suggestion: While in warranty, which is only 1 year, don't exceed whatever Yamaha recommends in case of trouble... but you can DIY, like most of us do. I'll change it for the first time way sooner than that anyway, and by the second oil change warranty will be over, so not an isue anymore. With fully synthetic oil, there's absolutely no need to do it at 4K miles. I typically do it at 5K (unless a year elapses first), but 6K sounds perfectly reasonable. And yes, I bet it was done to milk us out of more money. Or at least those who don't change the oil themselves  . |
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Post by evitzee on Oct 3, 2018 16:02:39 GMT -7
^^^It's in the Owner's manual....."Periodic Maintenance and Adjustment". Change oil and filter after 600 miles and do inspection is the first interval. The only thing I do more often than the manual is replace oil filter. Both US and Euro specs call for changing it every other oil change, I replace it every time.
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Post by achrista on Oct 3, 2018 16:12:27 GMT -7
evitzee i appreciate that your explanations are often economic in nature. it very well may be to appease dealerships or american 'oil' culture.
I did the 600 change on time and resolved to wait for 6k, but the whole reason I made this topic is because I saw that steering bearings are repacked at 16k in the US manual, which is the fourth service. If i waited for the fourth service to do that with the EU manual, it would be 24k miles. But in the EU manual they want you to repack the steering bearings at 12k, which is the second service. what's odd is that the US has a 12k service, but they don't want you to repack the bearings at that point if you live in america -- only if you're in australia or europe??? so 12k isn't necessarily optimal, but 18k must be too many? It just leads to too many questions.
I think I'm just going to follow the EU manual for everything, but the variance in yamaha's recommendations is bizarre.
and i also got into the habit of changing the filter at every change. it's a something my dad got me doing when i was a teenager.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 16:15:49 GMT -7
It's there; thanks. And yes, not changing the oil filter every time is idiotic, especially such a small unit. I rarely get over 4K miles a year on any bike, so will probably adhered to that limit due to time. You can easily run way more than 4K with a modern full synthetic oil, and in other markets Yamaha recommends 6K-mile intervals, so that makes it suspect it's for legitimate reasons. Guess we'll never know. Ha ha. But due to additional contamination from clutch and tranny, I wouldn't let it past 5K, which is my personal limit.
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Post by evitzee on Oct 3, 2018 17:25:11 GMT -7
You could always send a sample to Blackstone Labs and have them analyze it. I've known people who have gone 2x and more on their oil (cars) and then sent a sample for analysis. Every one has come back stating that the oil still had plenty of protection and was completely acceptable for use. I would wager that a test at 10,000 miles on an FZ-10 engine in normal use would still show good fit-for-use status, especially since it is a full synthetic oil. All we need is a willing owner. www.blackstone-labs.com/ |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 12:18:05 GMT -7
At least more than 4K miles, for sure. He he. With the clutch and tranny, I wouldn't leave it 10K, especially with that small filter, but 4K seems it's just for the benefit of dealers. I'd only recommend not exceeding 4K during warranty, but for most of us, bike will be out of warranty before the second full oil change is needed, meaning 4,600 miles. I just came back from my second ride, and didn't like the noise the tensioner is making. Maybe that's why some folks like you went to 15/50??? But in reality all the engine needs is 10/40 unless tracking, which I won't do.
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Post by evitzee on Oct 4, 2018 12:44:43 GMT -7
Some owner's have the 'tick', others don't. It's a hit and miss and varies from bike to bike, it's just production variations so there isn't any issue to be concerned with (other than the noise). I don't have any noise like that so I don't worry about it. Some have gone to a manual chain tensioner with mixed results.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 15:13:26 GMT -7
With my luck, my bike had to be one of those. Ha ha. Oh well. Like you said, it's not a worrysome noise, but annoying on a new vehicle. As long as it doesn't get any worse, it'd be fine. Will wait until after the 600-mile change to render a final judgment on that issue. Definitely not going to replace the tensioner with a manual one, but curious if you might not have the noise due to 15/50 oil. Hmmm. I don't ride in cold weather, but like to ride when cool, meaning maybe 60s, so a 15/50 is too thick for that and not tracking IMO. Even if the chain noise is still there, will probably stick with 10/40. It might also be a break-in issue, and get a bit better. We'll see. The noise is only heard at idle and without earplugs, by the way. Did your bike have the 6th gear noise? I only heard it without earplugs, so again, not a problem for anybody unless you happen to ride without earplugs, like I did today. Just curious what it is. That could be a tolerance isue that will improve with break-in. Will keep the forum posted at the 600-mile mark. I'm just getting acquainted with the bike's noise. I'm not paranoid or anything, but like to know they're 'normal', so zero concerns then. I've read about both, so it was just the luck of the draw. Thank you for the help.
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Post by evitzee on Oct 4, 2018 15:38:46 GMT -7
I don't think the oil weight has much to do with it, my first oil change was Rotella T6 and that's a 5W-40 oil and I never had any noise. I don't think there is any practical difference to an engine using a 40 or 50 wt oil, either would be fine in normal ambient temperatures. I've never noticed any difference in mileage between the two, mpg on this model is just not very good. I've never had any 6th gear noise but perhaps it is masked by earplugs which I always wear and normal wind noise around the helmet in 6th gear. I don't think the timing chain noise will improve with miles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 16:05:50 GMT -7
Good to hear. I'll stick with 10/40 oil then, but not Rotella. Diesel oil is not really recommended for motorcycles, but I know tons of people use it. Not detrimental either, but rather use bike-specific stuff myself. What I don't like about the Yamalube is 15/50, which is kind of thick for cold starts; I don't like any more than 10, so will stick with the 10/40. Also 50 is a bit thick if not tracking, creating extra wear to pump the oil, but yes, we're talking minimal differences. It's much a matter of preference. Will see which is the best 10/40, because I don't think anybody makes a 5/40 bike-specific oil, which would be my preference. Next time I use the bike will record a quick video so people here can tell me how bad or good my bike is compared to theirs. And you're correct: with earplugs, I didn't hear the 6th gear noise at all. But I couldn't hear how fantastic the engine sounds either. Ha ha. But just like you, I always ride with earplugs except on this bike this time. Since it has no windscreen, there's no turbulence whatsoever. I get the same noise sitting than if I stand up on the pegs. Fantastic. I much rather have clean wind in my face and ride slower than a freaking windscreen. Love this bike. Just got the Grab-on grips, so time to install them. Wish me luck. It'll be a PITA without a compressor. Hope not to mess them up . |
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Post by RedAndBlack on Oct 4, 2018 16:45:25 GMT -7
The sight window is a good tool. You can see the color of your oil and you can track the burn off. I do my oil changes pretty often but as someone who only does track and canyon carving, I'm in the high RPM ranges for a good portion of the use of my bikes. But for everyday riders and certainly commuters, you can use that sight window to check it. And always examine the oil coming out of your bike. If it comes out real dark and even gummy, you probably went too long. But if you still see good color in the oil in the sight window or coming out of your bike, you can extend your mileage.
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Post by harri183 on Oct 7, 2018 0:34:34 GMT -7
I am on the Euro service interval and we also have the time mileage so it’s every 6000miles or 12 months which ever comes first but I do every 3000 miles or 12 months which ever comes first. I do about 600 miles a year and still change oil and filter every winter before it goes away. For me on a high performance bike 6000 miles is to long an interval if you are keeping it long term.
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